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Time Magazine Applauds "elite cabal" election conspiracy as "a good thing"

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by BobRyan, Feb 7, 2021.

  1. BobRyan

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    '

    Turned out not to be true as I pointed out - those reports ignore the fact that those 50 were not filed by the Trump Campaign (only a few were and not all of them failed) and when you look at what the campaign actually filed - a different result emerges.

    Still it was interesting to see all the "latches" and "standing" and "result would probably be fewer" sorts of avoidance decisions the courts came up with instead of reviewing the evidence in detail and getting the facts out in the open.
     
  2. BobRyan

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    65 Pennsylvania state legislators "sent a letter Friday asking the state's congressional leaders to dispute Pennsylvania's 2020 election results before the U.S. Congress meets to count electoral votes on January 6.

    "Two other letters—one addressed to the state attorney general requesting the assignment of an independent prosecutor to review election proceedings and another addressed to the state inspector general asking for a full review of the Pennsylvania Department of State's handling of the election—were also signed by dozens of state lawmakers.

    ..

    "In the letter initially addressed to congressional lawmakers on Friday, members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly pointed to
    • changes election officials made to ballot collecting and counting processes, which they said conflicted with state election code revisions agreed upon in 2019.
    • One change the letter took issue with was a decision to extend the time that election officials could receive mail-in ballots, a change that was implemented in response to the influx of mail-in ballots received due to the coronavirus pandemic.
    • The letter also alleges that poll watchers were blocked from "meaningfully observing" the ballot-counting process."
    75 Pennsylvania Republicans ask state to dispute 2020 elections in Congress

    That last point was accompanied by sworn statements from election observers.

    And when you think about it - what is the point of having election monitor/observers if the intent is to ignore anyone who raises an objection or notices a problem?

    As for the changes... well let's ask Time Magazine about the secret Cabal:
    "working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

    ======================

    Maybe it was just all part of the
    "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election”

    Time Magazine: 'Secret,' 'Well-funded Cabal' Worked to 'Protect' 2020 Election
     
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  3. The Barbarian

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    Republicans claim voter fraud? What a surprise. The problem for them, is evidence. Or rather, the lack of it. Over 50 lawsuits trying to overturn the results, with not one lawsuit changing even one electoral vote. And many Trump appointed judges made those decisions.

    It's over. Trump lost. By a huge margin, a "landslide" according to Trump. (he lost by the same number of electoral votes as he won in 2016, when he called that a landslide)

    And he lost by huge numbers of votes in both elections.

    And his attempted insurrection fizzled when the few Capitol police managed to hold off Trump's rioters, protecting Congress.

    It's time to face reality.
     
  4. nhisname

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    This cabal thing isn't it the luminati? Globalists
    So many things are making so much sense now.

    Why would the left have a problem with checking into the machines..they wouldn't want to win an election unfairly would they?
     
  5. KarateCowboy

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    Ha. Four states illegally changed their election processes is protecting our republic. Just like telling people to peacefully make their voices heard is an incitement to violence.

    Peace is war and war is peace. Corrupting our republic is saving it. Welcome to covid-1984
     
  6. BobRyan

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    Indeed in fact shining a spotlight on their success should only serve to further highlight the "miracle" of having such an unpopular candidate getting such world-record-vote-counts.

    Forensic audits - on vote documents and machines that are available now - and carefully following the laws requiring that the documents be preserved for 6 months etc, with independent election observers all swearing to the pristine nature of the well-monitored process -- would all serve to help them overwhelm the voting public with certified proof - that the process of pulling those suitcases of ballots from under the table to count them after all observers had left (and other such reported incidents), counting votes after the election observers were told to go home... etc were all part of the pristine pure voting process that we have all come to expect.
     
  7. BobRyan

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    exactly! I think you have correctly stated "the solution".. :)

    HR 1 now being pursued in congress will help that whole thing get imprinted in federal law so it can be done each and every election.
     
  8. BobRyan

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    Evidence was presented in alternate media, with law makers present and sworn affidavits from election observers, video surveillance, statistical analysis -- where courts said they did not want to "look" at the evidence since it was either too late to look, or those presenting the evidence "did not have standing" as being the ones that would be damage by the fraud shown, or that "probably" the evidence would not be significant IF one took the time to actually "look".

    All the reassuring responses the voters have always hoped for and cherished in elections

    Indeed that is the "solution" we are using to address those concerns.
     
  9. The Barbarian

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    Ah, "alternative facts." Too bad they forgot those when they went to court.

    So your final story is all those Trump-appointed judges were just favoring Biden and the republican officials in those states, who certified the results showing that Trump lost?

    And the mostly republican-appointed (or Trump-appointed) Supreme Court were in on the conspiracy as well?

    Or are you referring to the lawsuit by Texas' criminally-indicted AG, who introduced the novel legal theory that Texas has the right to determine the voting procedures of other states?

    It's time to make your peace with reality, and move on.
     
  10. The Barbarian

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    This is a prime example of what Trump's people found to be "credible witnesses." Rudy hand-picked this one for public testimony. No wonder Trump wouldn't pay him.
     
  11. BobRyan

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    Evidence presented in uncensored-by-big-tech alternative media

    Conflating the terms helping much?

    Some prefer the "heavily censored" news -- I think Russia, China and N. Korea are already pretty good at what big-tech and censored-news-network are practicing.
     
  12. The Barbarian

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    So with all the checking of machines that went on, you think it would throw the election to Trump if they just did it a few more times?

    Doing something over and over again, and expecting the outcome to be different...
    A judge has permitted review of more than two dozen electronic voting machines in Michigan's Antrim County, reportedly granting President Trump's legal team access to the software.

    Trump Campaign Senior Legal Advisor Jenna Ellis tweeted on Sunday, "Michigan judge that gave Team Trump access to 22 Dominion voting machines to conduct a forensic audit TODAY!"

    .@JennaEllisEsq on the Antrim County, Michigan judge that gave Team Trump access to 22 Dominion voting machines to conduct a forensic audit TODAY! pic.twitter.com/SbzGSIuKQx

    — Team Trump (Text TRUMP to 88022) (@TeamTrump) December 6, 2020

    That same day, Ellis revealed the legal team anticipates having results within a few days of the review.
    https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/politi...ines-in-michigan-big-win-for-honest-elections

    How did that work out? How many votes did Biden lose or Trump gain after the voting machines were examined by Trump people?
     
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  13. The Barbarian

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    Ah, "alternative facts."

    That was the Trump administration's term for them. Stuff not in evidence, but stuff they want to be evidence.

    Actually, Fox is losing viewership, so less of them than a while ago.

    The problem for wannabee dictators in this country is that Fox doesn't own the airwaves. There are lots of different news sources; some even farther right than Fox, and others with moderate or left-leaning programming. So no one can determine what Americans see.

    There's a good reason Trump went after the media. Dictatorships don't work if there's a free and diverse press.
     
  14. BobRyan

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    I have to agree with that point



    Now added to the OP
     
  15. The Barbarian

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    Barbarian observes:
    There's a good reason Trump went after the media. Dictatorships don't work if there's a free and diverse press.

    (extreme example of press diversity offered)

    Yeah, that was a really weird one. But if such sites aren't allowed to peddle their dishonest propaganda, we don't really have freedom of the press.
     
  16. BobRyan

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    I have to agree with that point



    Now added to the OP

    So fine then "calling them out on their hoaxes and lies" is not a violation of their ability to print the truth. It merely fact checks them on their lies, it calls them out and inclines consumers to avoid the more well-known liar outlets. Quality control of the market place where market place forces help drive to the higher quality standard.
     
  17. The Barbarian

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    Barbarian observes:
    There's a good reason Trump went after the media. Dictatorships don't work if there's a free and diverse press.

    Yep. Your example of extremely biased media is just as entitled to spread their stuff as more responsible sources. The beauty of it is, with an open market for information, Trump's hopes of becoming an authoritarian ruler were doomed.
     
  18. BobRyan

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    The solution is not communist style censorship - the solution is the open marketplace of information and ideas.

    Democracy never needs this "–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

    In fact a " an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans" that managed to "change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

    Communists need that of course, but we don't
     
  19. The Barbarian

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    But that's what you're objecting to. As you showed us, all sorts of different viewpoints are readily available to anyone who cares to look. It seems that what you want is...
    "–a well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information."

    But that's not what you have. As you demonstrated, all sorts of viewpoints are freely disseminated in our nation. And that's what upsets you, it seems.

    You want freedom for your POV to be distributed, but apparently not so much for the viewpoints of others. That's O.K. in a communist society, but a bad fit for America. Please reconsider.
     
  20. BobRyan

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    On the contrary I am objecting to the "control" of information with nothing left but spin-doctoring as the only thing "allowed" out when they "control" information and then manipulate laws and election policy -- as described in the the NY Times article where they claim success in what the secret cabal had stitched together
     
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