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Jeremiah 25:30-38 The Lord roars from on high. He thunders from His holy place. He roars loudly against His holy Land and like a grape treader, He shouts against all the inhabitants of the earth. The great noise is heard around the world. For the Lord brings His judgement against the nations, He arraigns all mankind and has handed over the wicked and godless to the sword.

The Lord says, ‘Disaster spreads from nation to nation, a mighty tempest is unleashed, that will blast to every corner of the world’. Those whom the Lord has killed on that Day will be strewn from one end of the earth to the other, they will not be mourned or buried, but left as dung upon the ground.

Cry out you bad shepherds and useless leaders of My people, the Day comes for your demise, you will fall like prize rams to the slaughter. There will be no escape from the Lord’s fierce anger, like a lion leaping to the kill.

Disaster will suddenly strike and their land will become desolate because of the fiery wrath of the Lord. Ref: REB, CJB.

It is now time to realize that this terrible, worldwide disaster is soon to happen.
In no way has this prophecy been fulfilled yet and this cannot be at the Return, as it must be before that: He thunders from His holy place…. He sends down fire… Amos 1, Psalms 18:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:17-20

Many other prophesies vividly describe this sudden and shocking, Day of the Lord’s wrath, a one day event: as fire from the sky, a Coronal Mass Ejection sun explosion, that will literally fulfill all of them. Psalms 83 tells how fire and tempest will destroy those attackers of Israel and details like ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, and the ‘moon blood red’, are also literal effects of a massive earth directed C M E. Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:14-16, 2 Peter 3:7

The millions killed on that Day won’t be buried because there won’t be enough survivors to do that and the extreme heat of a CME and the fires caused by it, will reduce them to ash. Malachi 4:3, Jeremiah 9:22

Those who have led the people astray with their false teachings, fictional books and poor leadership will be judged and punished on that Day. Micah 3:1-4, Isaiah 56:10-12

The world as we know it now, will not continue for much longer, prophecy is given to us as a warning of what will happen and to be Spiritually and physically prepared, so we can stay strong and keep trusting in the Lord to keep us safe, because He plans for the good of His own faithful Christian people. Jeremiah 29:11

As all the faithful Christians gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Romans 9:24-26.....in the very place, [that ancient Israel was rejected] you Christians will be called the children of the Living God.

Colossians 1:11-12 In His glorious might may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God’s people, in His Kingdom of Light. To come later; in the Millennium.
 
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Jeremiah 25:30-38 The Lord roars from on high. He thunders from His holy place. He roars loudly against His holy Land and like a grape treader, He shouts against all the inhabitants of the earth. The great noise is heard around the world. For the Lord brings His judgement against the nations, He arraigns all mankind and has handed over the wicked and godless to the sword.

The Lord says, ‘Disaster spreads from nation to nation, a mighty tempest is unleashed, that will blast to every corner of the world’. Those whom the Lord has killed on that Day will be strewn from one end of the earth to the other, they will not be mourned or buried, but left as dung upon the ground.

Cry out you bad shepherds and useless leaders of My people, the Day comes for your demise, you will fall like prize rams to the slaughter. There will be no escape from the Lord’s fierce anger, like a lion leaping to the kill.

Disaster will suddenly strike and their land will become desolate because of the fiery wrath of the Lord. Ref: REB, CJB.

It is now time to realize that this terrible, worldwide disaster is soon to happen.
In no way has this prophecy been fulfilled yet and this cannot be at the Return, as it must be before that: He thunders from His holy place…. He sends down fire… Amos 1, Psalms 18:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:17-20

Many other prophesies vividly describe this sudden and shocking, Day of the Lord’s wrath, a one day event: as fire from the sky, a Coronal Mass Ejection sun explosion, that will literally fulfill all of them. Psalms 83 tells how fire and tempest will destroy those attackers of Israel and details like ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, and the ‘moon blood red’, are also literal effects of a massive earth directed C M E. Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:14-16, 2 Peter 3:7

The millions killed on that Day won’t be buried because there won’t be enough survivors to do that and the extreme heat of a CME and the fires caused by it, will reduce them to ash. Malachi 4:3, Jeremiah 9:22

Those who have led the people astray with their false teachings, fictional books and poor leadership will be judged and punished on that Day. Micah 3:1-4, Isaiah 56:10-12

The world as we know it now, will not continue for much longer, prophecy is given to us as a warning of what will happen and to be Spiritually and physically prepared, so we can stay strong and keep trusting in the Lord to keep us safe, because He plans for the good of His own faithful Christian people. Jeremiah 29:11

As all the faithful Christians gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Romans 9:24-26.....in the very place, [that ancient Israel was rejected] you Christians will be called the children of the Living God.

Colossians 1:11-12 In His glorious might may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God’s people, in His Kingdom of Light. To come later; in the Millennium.

Sorry but pure fantasy my dear friend.
 
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I wouldn't say this is fantasy, I trust scripture. I don't trust men predicting time frames from it though. We have no idea if this is nearly upon us and really it's not our concern. Don't dwell on the fire but the escape, which is Christ and our task which is written to spread the good news of Him. .

And this season we are in often brings to us an open heart or two or more even. And hey if this fire comes then maybe one or two more will be in Christ at that time because we evangelized.
 
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Jeremiah 25:30-38 The Lord roars from on high. He thunders from His holy place. He roars loudly against His holy Land and like a grape treader, He shouts against all the inhabitants of the earth. The great noise is heard around the world. For the Lord brings His judgement against the nations, He arraigns all mankind and has handed over the wicked and godless to the sword.

The Lord says, ‘Disaster spreads from nation to nation, a mighty tempest is unleashed, that will blast to every corner of the world’. Those whom the Lord has killed on that Day will be strewn from one end of the earth to the other, they will not be mourned or buried, but left as dung upon the ground.

Cry out you bad shepherds and useless leaders of My people, the Day comes for your demise, you will fall like prize rams to the slaughter. There will be no escape from the Lord’s fierce anger, like a lion leaping to the kill.

Disaster will suddenly strike and their land will become desolate because of the fiery wrath of the Lord. Ref: REB, CJB.

It is now time to realize that this terrible, worldwide disaster is soon to happen.
In no way has this prophecy been fulfilled yet and this cannot be at the Return, as it must be before that: He thunders from His holy place…. He sends down fire… Amos 1, Psalms 18:13, Psalms 11:4-6, Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 14:17-20

Many other prophesies vividly describe this sudden and shocking, Day of the Lord’s wrath, a one day event: as fire from the sky, a Coronal Mass Ejection sun explosion, that will literally fulfill all of them. Psalms 83 tells how fire and tempest will destroy those attackers of Israel and details like ‘the sky rolled up like a scroll’, and the ‘moon blood red’, are also literal effects of a massive earth directed C M E. Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:14-16, 2 Peter 3:7

The millions killed on that Day won’t be buried because there won’t be enough survivors to do that and the extreme heat of a CME and the fires caused by it, will reduce them to ash. Malachi 4:3, Jeremiah 9:22

Those who have led the people astray with their false teachings, fictional books and poor leadership will be judged and punished on that Day. Micah 3:1-4, Isaiah 56:10-12

The world as we know it now, will not continue for much longer, prophecy is given to us as a warning of what will happen and to be Spiritually and physically prepared, so we can stay strong and keep trusting in the Lord to keep us safe, because He plans for the good of His own faithful Christian people. Jeremiah 29:11

As all the faithful Christians gather and settle into all of the holy Land. Romans 9:24-26.....in the very place, [that ancient Israel was rejected] you Christians will be called the children of the Living God.

Colossians 1:11-12 In His glorious might may He give you ample strength to meet with fortitude and patience whatever comes and to give joyful thanks to the Father who has made you fit to share in the heritage of God’s people, in His Kingdom of Light. To come later; in the Millennium.
HI like how you see the Bible as a single message integrated in the 66 books. I have from previous discussions understood you to support replacement theology. That is that the church is now Israel in the covenants with God. I can present a large portion of scriptures that show Israel as a nation in the boundaries promised to Abraham is purified and exists in the millennium. I also hold psalm 83 as a prayer and not necessarily a prophecy. You see Tyre and Amalek mentioned and I believe Tyre is no more and neither is Amalek although the attitude of the nations against Israel is the same sentiment we see being expressed today.
Ezekiel 36 is on chapter that shows Israel as a nation being saved and established at the time of the millennium so does the 2nd half of Isaiah 61 the day of vengeance of God. As far as it being a MCE that is speculation as the LORD says he alone treads the winepress of his wrath and he seems to be able to target specifically on that day. God can intervene like parting the red sea and moving the sun dial back or holding it in place. He rules over nature and can call down fire or open the earth to swallow the rebels in the desert. I am not saying what you say is wrong but it is not certain. We will have 20/20 vision when it is all done and like the LORD showed the two disciples all that was written of Him in the scriptures we will see then much the same way.
 
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Yes, trust scripture but many people have many different opinions as to what it is telling us. Many people get out of it wrong information.
So is your opinion that Jeremiah is a sci-fi writer and we need take no notice of his fanciful prognostications?
Just as Paul said in 1 Thess 5:3-7...destruction will come suddenly and we Christians should NOT be in the dark about it.
 
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HI like how you see the Bible as a single message integrated in the 66 books.
Yes I do see the Bible as an integrated whole, the amazing story of God's Plan for mankind on His incredible delicately made Creation, planet Earth and all it's life.

We are participants in His 'Game of Thrones', where He sets up scenarios and watches the outcomes. The final outcome will be a group of people, who have proved themselves worthy that He will confer immortality upon and they will live with Him for Eternity.
I have from previous discussions understood you to support replacement theology.
What I support is how God's faithful people are and always have been; His Israelites, His Overcomers as Jacob was and we Christians are now.
Those who falsely call themselves Jews and Israel, are not and the established Church of thousands of denominations is not the true church. Only every individual, born again water baptized and Commandment keeping Christian, comprise the true Church of God.
I can present a large portion of scriptures that show Israel as a nation in the boundaries promised to Abraham is purified and exists in the millennium
Yes; God's people the faithful Christians from every race, nation and language, will occupy all of the holy Land before and during the Millennium. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 34:11-16, + They are seen there by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7
I also hold psalm 83 as a prayer and not necessarily a prophecy.
Psalms 83:1-18 is plainly a prophesy, that says what God will do to the attackers of Israel. We well know of this attack, Iran has threatened it for years. They and their proxies; all the Islamic peoples, will do it using nuke missiles. The Lord will destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14, Psalms7:12-16, Ezekiel 30:1-5, +
Ezekiel 36 is on chapter that shows Israel as a nation being saved and established at the time of the millennium so does the 2nd half of Isaiah 61 the day of vengeance of God.
The question is: Who is the true Israel? New Testament teaching is clear: Ethnicity has no value, we Christians are Israelites by faith. His holy nation.
As far as it being a MCE that is speculation as the LORD says he alone treads the winepress of his wrath
You mean CME; Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion of the suns surface.
This is what Isaiah 30:26a plainly informs us the Lord will use. It will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord's wrath.
The Lord will instigate it, same as He did to make the Flood. As Isaiah 66:15-17 says, it will destroy His enemies, but we who take heed of the warnings and who call upon His Name as disaster strikes, we will be saved. Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21
 
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So is your opinion that Jeremiah is a sci-fi writer and we need take no notice of his fanciful prognostications?
Just as Paul said in 1 Thess 5:3-7...destruction will come suddenly and we Christians should NOT be in the dark about it.

Interpretation is 'the' word my dear friend.
 
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So is your opinion that Jeremiah is a sci-fi writer and we need take no notice of his fanciful prognostications?
Just as Paul said in 1 Thess 5:3-7...destruction will come suddenly and we Christians should NOT be in the dark about it.
According to Josephus, Titus came upon Jerusalem suddenly in 70ad.[I view this event in Revelation also]
The rebels fighting inside had pretty much destroyed most of the provisions which then caused the great famine:


Matthew 24:19
But woe to those that are with child, and those that give suck in those days.
Mark 13:17
But woe to those that are with child and to those that give suck in those days!
Luke 21:23
But woe to them that are with child and to them who give suck in those days,
for there shall be great distress upon the land and wrath upon this people.


1Th 5:3
For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them,
as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.


https://www.preteristarchive.com/timeline_military/

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns;.......
John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example. Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength.

At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman army was approaching the city.
The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear;
there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity.........


Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying:
"choinex of wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.

Jeremiah 14:16
‘And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; they will have no one to bury them—them nor their wives, their sons nor their daughters
for I will pour their wickedness on them.'


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According to Josephus, Titus came upon Jerusalem suddenly in 70ad.[I view this event in Revelation also]
The rebels fighting inside had pretty much destroyed most of the provisions which then caused the great famine:


Matthew 24:19
But woe to those that are with child, and those that give suck in those days.
Mark 13:17
But woe to those that are with child and to those that give suck in those days!
Luke 21:23
But woe to them that are with child and to them who give suck in those days,
for there shall be great distress upon the land and wrath upon this people.


1Th 5:3
For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them,
as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.


https://www.preteristarchive.com/timeline_military/

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns;.......
John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example. Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength.

At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman army was approaching the city.
The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear;
there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity.........


Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying:
"choinex of wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive. The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.

Jeremiah 14:16
‘And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; they will have no one to bury them—them nor their wives, their sons nor their daughters
for I will pour their wickedness on them.'


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REv 6 is global in scale and not accomplished in 70AD. Jer 16 is clearly about the days Jer prophesied in and does not appear to be a prophecy with a double fulfillment. Jesus predicted that Jerusalem would fall and the temple be destroyed and also that it would be trampled under the foot until the time of the Gentiles was over. This is obvious that there is still a prophetic distinction between Jew and Gentile. Rev also speaks of Jerusalem being trampled for 42 months. This is the middle of the 70th week of Daniel. In Zech 14 we see the day the LORD returns to be king over all the earth. We see the LORD comes with all of His saints and the Mt of Olives splits in two. It shows the enemies of the LORD being melted. It shows life continuing on earth after the 2nd coming. The nations must now keep the feast of Tabernacles or they get no rain every year in Jerusalem. It also notes that no Canaanite will will be in the house of the LORD. The edict to destroy all the Canaanites is fulfilled at this time. In Isaiah 61 the day of vengeance of the LORD is addressed to those in Zion. In this day the LORD again makes a Gentile distinction
To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the LORD, that He may be glorified.”
4 And they shall rebuild the old ruins,
They shall raise up the former desolations,
And they shall repair the ruined cities,
The desolations of many generations.
5 Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks,
And the sons of the foreigner
Shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6 But you shall be named the priests of the LORD,
They shall call you the servants of our God.
You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles,
And in their glory you shall boast.
7 Instead of your shame you shall have double honor,
And instead of confusion they shall rejoice in their portion.
Therefore in their land they shall possess double;
Everlasting joy shall be theirs.

Ezekiel 36 is a must read as it clearly talks about Israel being established forever and you cannot make this out to be the church. This chapter identifies Israel as those whom God has scattered into all the nations and have profaned God,s name in the nations in which they have been driven. God promises to gather these people back and be exalted in them. This is not the church.
 
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REv 6 is global in scale and not accomplished in 70AD. ............
Seeing Revelation as global/worldwide is another futurist dispensationalist delusion.
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
Flee the teachings of that un-scriptural and carnal doctrine, and don't become like the Pharisees,
upon whom the recompense and gehenna came in 70ad.

John 5:39
"Ye are searching the Scriptures that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having, and those are the ones-testifying about Me".
Matthew 23:33
Serpents, brood of vipers!
How can you escape the condemnation of the gehenna?
2 Peter 3:16
As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand
any which the un-learned and un-steadfast are wresting/twisting
as also the rest of Scriptures, toward their own destruction/apwleian <684>. [# 684 used Revelation 17:8-11]

Is the "Gehenna" of Matt 23:33 the Lake of Fire in Revelation?

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......

But be like the Bereans:

Act 17:11

Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness
and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.


All that aside, the only way Revelation could be global worldwide is if every country in the world, including the US, Russia, China, Japan, South America, Africa, Australia, New Zealand etc., etc. comes against Israel/Judea and Jerusalem.

Let's break it down.
First Jesus is showing the Disciples the Temple and it's buildings. The Temple is in Jerusalem, it says so right here:


Mark 11:
11 And Jesus went into Jerusalem and into the Temple.
15 So they came to Jerusalem. Then Jesus went into the Temple.....

Later on in the Gospels, Jesus is shown departing the Temple with the Disciples in the now famous "Olivet Discourse".

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matthew 1 Mark 13:1 Luke 21:24

Matthew 24
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple......
Mark 13
1 And He going forth out of the Temple................
Luke 21
5 And while some were speaking of the Temple...........

Revelation is showing that same Temple being measure[prove thru scripture that it isn't]

Revelation 11:

1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure!
the Temple of God and the Altar and those worshiping in it

Now to verse 2.
How can these be viewed as separate events except one twist the scriptures according to their own doctrine/view?

Luke 21:24
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations.
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles/Nations until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”
Revelation 11:2
and the Court/fold<833>, without of the Temple be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854>, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations
and the holy City they shall be trampling<3961> forty two months

The 2 witnesses are shown being killed in the street of a great City spiritually called Sodom[Jerusalem] and Egypt[Judea]


Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great City which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our[fn] Lord was crucified.

They are both mentioned in the Gospels:

Mark 1:5

Then all the land of Judea, and those from Jerusalem, went out to him and were all baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.

John 7:1
After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea,
because the Judeans sought to kill Him
.

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great City which spiritually is called Sodom[Jerusalem] and Egypt[Judea],
where also our[fn] Lord was crucified.

And the fulfillment of this prophecy [for those with eyes to see....]
Both Matthew and Luke say this, showing that Luke's Gospel ties into Revelation just as much as Matthew and Mark

Matthew 23
37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
38 Behold! you house is being left desolate/a-wilderness/erhmoV <2048>

Luke 13
34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
35 Behold! Your house is being left desolate/a-wilderness/erhmoV <2048>


Luke 21:20
"whenever yet ye may be seeing being surrounded by troops, the Jerusalem, then be knowing! that has-neared the desolating<2050> of Her"

Revelation 18:
16 “and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet,
18 and were crying, seeing the smoke of the firing<4451>of Her saying,
"What City is like to the great City"?

19 And they cast dust upon their heads and cried-out, weeping and mourning, saying
"Woe! Woe! the great City, wherein all were made rich, that had ships at sea, by reason of her riches.
That to one hour She was desolated<2049>.


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If you labeled the futurist position and put them up against current events you might notice that every expectation and detail is actively lined up around the world for events to transpire as declared in the scriptures taken from the literal perspective that futurism is derived from. Israel is a nation and the rest of the nations are opposed to it. The leaders of the world are conspiring to bring in a one world government. The Jews have prepared everything for the resumption of the daily sacrifices that will need be resumed for the abomination of desolation to occur in. The future world government has the elimination of cash as one of its goals. Indeed all the nations will have Rev 6 conditions when the current system collapses and all the world is in hyperinflation. God keeps his covenants and the new covenant is now indeed in effect for salvation but the covenant with Abraham's seed is an everlasting covenant. Psalm 105 makes it clear.
He is the LORD our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.
8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,”
12 When they were few in number,
Indeed very few, and strangers in it.

Your colorful type does not make your view stand and to call the view that actually believes the direct interpretation of the text carnal, delusional, and somehow unscriptural is funny since it is taken from a word for word belief in what the scripture says.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a[fn] thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[fn] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

If you see how many times 1000 years is mentioned here and the details associated with it the idea that a 1000 years is a 1000 years seems hard to call unscriptural. The false prophet and the beast are thrown into the lake of fire for this whole 1000 years. Those beheaded are said to live again and reign for 1000 years. They were beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast which again support the literal nature of revelation for the mark of the beast is only enforced for 42 months after the dragon has given the beast his authority. Satan is seen as bound for 1000 years. So to accuse this view of reading into the text something that is not there is very funny. The book of revelations says not to ad or take away from the text. I think my view has not violated that clause. has yours?
 
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Ezekiel 36 is a must read as it clearly talks about Israel being established forever and you cannot make this out to be the church. This chapter identifies Israel as those whom God has scattered into all the nations and have profaned God,s name in the nations in which they have been driven. God promises to gather these people back and be exalted in them. This is not the church.
Wrong.
You have failed to see how all the faithful Christian people of God, from every race, nation and language, are the Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16, Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:9-10
Remember: God has no favorites. Romans 2:11
 
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Wrong.
You have failed to see how all the faithful Christian people of God, from every race, nation and language, are the Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16, Revelation 5:9-10, 1 Peter 2:9-10
Remember: God has no favorites. Romans 2:11
I agree in some respects but I see a set of parallel tracks and two distinct destinies that will bring Israel the nation into the new covenant and maintain the national promise to the nation of Abraham's seed.
 
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Jesus predicted that Jerusalem would fall and the temple be destroyed and also that it would be trampled under the foot until the time of the Gentiles was over.... Rev also speaks of Jerusalem being trampled for 42 months. This is the middle of the 70th week of Daniel...

Trying to understand your timeline here...

Jerusalem gets trampled until the times of the Gentiles is over, then at some point after that, Jerusalem is handed BACK over to the Gentiles to be trampled for 42 MORE months?
 
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If you labeled the futurist position and put them up against current events you might notice that every expectation and detail is actively lined up around the world for events to transpire as declared in the scriptures taken from the literal perspective that futurism is derived from.

OK...

Israel is a nation and the rest of the nations are opposed to it.

Demonstrably not true.

Here are 25 of Israel's current geopolitical Allies:
ALLIES OF ISRAEL Form https://www.quora.com/Who-are-Israels-allies-and-enemies:

  1. USA - Largest & greatest ally of Israel,
  2. Mexico,
  3. Canada
  4. Egypt was once an enemy to Israel during it’s creation but things changed after sixth day war. Also Egypt has acted as a mediator in a number of unofficial ceasefire agreements between Israeli forces and Palestinians.
  5. Jordan too was once an enemy of Israel but now they are it’s ally.
  6. Israel has diplomatic relations with 40 states that are not members of the Arab League.
  7. Israel too enjoys good diplomatic ties with Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, the Republic of the Maldives, Tajikistan, Turkey, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan,
  8. India - India supported Palestine & opposed Israel while it’s creation. Aftermath Kargil war India became one of the closest ally of Israel. India is the famous tourist spot for Israel after their army service.
  9. Some form of positive relationship or dialogue with several other countries in the region, including South Korea and the Philippines ,
  10. Kurds supports Israel as they hate Arabs.
  11. South Africa,
  12. Myanmar,
  13. Cambodia,
  14. China,
  15. Hong Kong,
  16. Nepal,
  17. Singapore,
  18. Armenia supports Israel as the result of Genocide,
  19. Italy,
  20. Netherlands,
  21. Norway - One of the 1st country which favored Israel’s creation,
  22. Spain,
  23. Ukraine,
  24. Australia.
  25. Last but not least. It’s Germany. Initially Israel saw Germany with feuded eyes due to the old bad memories(holocaust). Then Germany rose up to become one of the greatest ally of Israel.
Maybe you weren't being "literal" there?

The leaders of the world are conspiring to bring in a one world government.

To utilize your own vernacular, Where is this "declared in the scriptures taken from the literal perspective"?

The Jews have prepared everything for the resumption of the daily sacrifices that will need be resumed for the abomination of desolation to occur in.

Have they?
Do they know where the Urim and Thummim are (Ezra 2:63)??
Do you?

8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,

How many years is 1000 generations, according to "the literal perspective"
1000 generations of people being born, growing up, giving birth, growing old and dying...

Is one generation a 70-year span?
X 1000?
70,000 years of God keeping His covenant with procreating Humans on earth, generation to generation, according to "the Literal Perspective"?
or, do you give yourself permission to deviate away from the "literal perspective" here?

If you see how many times 1000 years is mentioned here and the details associated with it the idea that a 1000 years is a 1000 years seems hard to call unscriptural. The false prophet and the beast are thrown into the lake of fire for this whole 1000 years. Those beheaded are said to live again and reign for 1000 years.

1000 years is a A blip on the screen during Gods 70,000 year covenant with procreating Humans on earth, don't ya think?

The book of revelations says not to ad or take away from the text. I think my view has not violated that clause.

Well, first off it's the Book of RevelatioN, so right there you've added an "S" where one does not exist.
And in my experience, if one is prone to adding something ONCE, one is surely prone to do so again, and again...

What else have you added?
 
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I agree in some respects but I see a set of parallel tracks and two distinct destinies that will bring Israel the nation into the new covenant and maintain the national promise to the nation of Abraham's seed.
Who is Abrahams 'Seed'?
Galatians 3:16 makes it clear that Jesus is that Seed. Then Paul goes on to say in Galatians 3:22.....faith in Jesus Christ is the basis for who will receive the promised Blessings of God.
Yes the Jews have a destiny: it is their virtual demise as a nation and the remnant who remain will join with their Christian brethren. Jeremiah 50:4-5
 
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do you follow the UN voting on things like declaring Hebron and Jerusalem UN Palestinian site and all the other resolutions against Israel? The US has many organizations actively protesting Israel and supporting the BDS movement. The US has a president in charge today that stands for Israel the next president could do a 180 in a hurry. Even Israels allies want to push a two state solution. Daniel 9 says the prince who shall come shall confirm a covenant with the many for a week and in the middle of the week out an end to the daily sacrifice. Joel speaks of the great day of the LORD I will also gather all nations,
And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
And I will enter into judgment with them there
On account of My people, My heritage Israel,
Whom they have scattered among the nations;
They have also divided up My land. Bush senior passed and he spoke clearly about bringing in a NWO run by the UN.

Note that the UN has the verse written out front of its headquarters in NY " they shall beat their words into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks and they shall learn war no more. " This verse is speaking of the return of Christ and the UN is claiming they will bring it in . They also had Michael Gorbachev write a thing called the UN earth charter. This is a document that is principals for global government that the nations are working towards. They even built a new age ark of covenant and put rings and carried it on poles and set it in the UN building in NY as the new commandments from God . The symbolism is obvious.

The Earth Charters Unholy Ark
 
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A One World Government is prophesied. Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12-13
But it will take a terrible worldwide disaster for the nations to relinquish their sovereignty. That disaster will be the forthcoming Sixth Seal event, the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, 2 Peter 3:7, +
 
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A One World Government is prophesied. Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12-13
But it will take a terrible worldwide disaster for the nations to relinquish their sovereignty. That disaster will be the forthcoming Sixth Seal event, the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath by fire from the sun. Deuteronomy 32:34-43, 2 Peter 3:7, +
I agree the model is order out of chaos and the collapse of the dollar will have incredible contagion as the banks are all leveraged in debt with over a quadrillion dollars invested in derivatives that have no assets tied to them. This collapse could happen quickly and the value of all fiat money would be lost. The IMF and World Bank and all the nations are preparing the post dollar world. The underground cities for the elite are real. The scriptures says the king hide in caves of the earth. Jesus says these days come upon the earth like a snare so a financial collapse that effects all is what I anticipate. The last economic down cycle almost broke the system and the Fed used QE or massive liquidity to back stop the banking sector which would have collapsed last time without trillions in monetizing. We are now starting the next down cycle and perhaps this is the one that brings down the house of cards. The other relevant factors that are new since the last down cycle are the moral conditions in just 7 years have taken the gay marriage debate off the front line and now the LGTB is the main civil rights global issue and the children are being indoctrinated that this is normal and good. We thought we were in days of Sodom and Lot before but now certainly the cry going up to the LORD for justice which brings judgement is much louder.
 
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