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No, I chose my own opinions on how to vote. No one told me how. I did. The "liberals" won because the media is on their side.

Maybe by the time Obama ruins this country with socialistic ideas, you'll stop drinking propaganda juice.

I hate to break it you you, but the country is already ruined, and Obama had nothing to do with it. Actually, liberalism and conservatism as they are practiced in America also had little to do with it. The biggest culprits are the same ones that have laid most of history's empires low: overspending, overconsumption, military adventurism, and believing that past prosperity is a guarantee of future prosperity as well.

The biggest long-term challenge America faces is the depletion of oil. Our very civilization is based on cheap oil, and cheap oil is virtually exhausted. We were in the early stages of a permanent oil shock when the economy collapsed, dropping demand for oil and temporarily "saving" us from runaway prices and shortages.
 
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I hate to break it you you, but the country is already ruined, and Obama had nothing to do with it. Actually, liberalism and conservatism as they are practiced in America also had little to do with it. The biggest culprits are the same ones that have laid most of history's empires low: overspending, overconsumption, military adventurism, and believing that past prosperity is a guarantee of future prosperity as well.

The biggest long-term challenge America faces is the depletion of oil. Our very civilization is based on cheap oil, and cheap oil is virtually exhausted. We were in the early stages of a permanent oil shock when the economy collapsed, dropping demand for oil and temporarily "saving" us from runaway prices and shortages.

I hate to admit it but; I agree with you!:thumbsup:
 
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In general I agree with your predictions and most of your causes, however I believe you've fallen for the temptation to over-simply the situation.

Potential Mitigating Factors:

1. National Debt as a percentage of GNP is still far from setting any records. The question once we reach our real debt ceiling (wherever that is...) will we have created a more robust sustainable economy than we enjoy today.

2. There are lots of tools available which are capable of providing relief to the whole debt as a percentage of GNP challenge such as purposefully devaluing the dollar.

3. The dollar has value because we all believe it has value, as things get worse... people will still look to the United States as a relative safe haven for their wealth. The worse the world economy gets the more people invest in dollars.

4. The oil industry is a just enough, just in time industry. Changes in consumption patterns & production quantities can rapidly increase or decrease prices... much faster than consumption patterns or production can adapt to those changes. This means we will probably see several price spikes before we encounter permanent shortages of cheap oil. It looks to me like demand for oil is still falling faster than the oil industry is able to cut production.

5. Dollar deflation could significantly cut the real cost to extract oil from more difficult locations making cheap oil available for longer than expected.

Can we adapt our economy over the next 3-8 years to one that is capable of thriving with oil permanently over $100 a barrel? Can we bring exports and imports in line so that wealth is leaving the country as fast as it's coming in from other nations? Will Obama and the Democratic congress be aggressive enough to avoid a complete collapse?

We need to rely less on goods (especially food) that travels thousands of miles to get to the consumer. We need more renewable energy, if not before the next big spike, at least before the last one. We need a better trained, better educated, more flexable workforce and our system needs to be restructured so that manufacturing in the US is competative with manufacturing anywhere in the world. That means national health care and a tax code that rewards creating jobs and keeping them in the United States.




I hate to break it you you, but the country is already ruined, and Obama had nothing to do with it. Actually, liberalism and conservatism as they are practiced in America also had little to do with it. The biggest culprits are the same ones that have laid most of history's empires low: overspending, overconsumption, military adventurism, and believing that past prosperity is a guarantee of future prosperity as well.

The biggest long-term challenge America faces is the depletion of oil. Our very civilization is based on cheap oil, and cheap oil is virtually exhausted. We were in the early stages of a permanent oil shock when the economy collapsed, dropping demand for oil and temporarily "saving" us from runaway prices and shortages.
 
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I hate to break it you you, but the country is already ruined, and Obama had nothing to do with it. Actually, liberalism and conservatism as they are practiced in America also had little to do with it. The biggest culprits are the same ones that have laid most of history's empires low: overspending, overconsumption, military adventurism, and believing that past prosperity is a guarantee of future prosperity as well.

The biggest long-term challenge America faces is the depletion of oil. Our very civilization is based on cheap oil, and cheap oil is virtually exhausted. We were in the early stages of a permanent oil shock when the economy collapsed, dropping demand for oil and temporarily "saving" us from runaway prices and shortages.
I know. But I hate it when people blame it on a president. Especially when they have nothing to do with it because of a stupid economic plan that was put by another president that had AN AFFAIR IN HIS OFFICE!!!!!!!!! AND PEOPLE CALL THIS PRESIDENT GOD?!
 
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I know. But I hate it when people blame it on a president. Especially when they have nothing to do with it because of a stupid economic plan that was put by another president that had AN AFFAIR IN HIS OFFICE!!!!!!!!! AND PEOPLE CALL THIS PRESIDENT GOD?!

Yes and you call Bush the saviour! The fact of the matter is (and the whole world agrees on this) that Bush caused so many problems worldwide that almost every leader in every country is happy to see him go!

Bush is the epitome of idiocy and evil put together!
 
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…The fact of the matter is (and the whole world agrees on this) that Bush caused so many problems worldwide that almost every leader in every country is happy to see him go!...

About 80 per cent of the American people are glad to see Bush go, as is most of the world, not just their leaders.

…Bush is the epitome of idiocy and evil put together!...

I would say Bush and Cheney together are.
 
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Yes and you call Bush the saviour! The fact of the matter is (and the whole world agrees on this) that Bush caused so many problems worldwide that almost every leader in every country is happy to see him go!

Bush is the epitome of idiocy and evil put together!
I am not saying that he is a savior. I'm saying that I'm tired of people bagging on Bush and blaming him for what is going on. He made mistakes. He's a human being! He's not superman. You want to find out what caused all these problems? SIN! That's what caused the problems! I'm tired of people blaming him for everything. You want to know what is problematic? The fact that people blames a not-so-bad president and calls him worse that presidents that dragged the name of this country INTO THE SEWER. Any names? Bill Clinton, Harry Truman, JFK, Richard Nixon.
Read a history book! Learn something instead watching tv and getting brainwashed by all this propaganda.
 
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I am not saying that he is a savior. I'm saying that I'm tired of people bagging on Bush and blaming him for what is going on. He made mistakes. He's a human being! He's not superman. You want to find out what caused all these problems? SIN! That's what caused the problems! I'm tired of people blaming him for everything. You want to know what is problematic? The fact that people blames a not-so-bad president and calls him worse that presidents that dragged the name of this country INTO THE SEWER. Any names? Bill Clinton, Harry Truman, JFK, Richard Nixon.
Read a history book! Learn something instead watching tv and getting brainwashed by all this propaganda.

I believe there are much worst sins than sexual impropriety. I suspect most people would agree with me.

You disagree, obviously. And/or you don't understand what a HUGE degree to which Mr. Bush has been a GIANT screw-up.

In either case, fine. You have a right to your minority viewpoint. It's in the Constitution. So enjoy it.
 
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I am not saying that he is a savior. I'm saying that I'm tired of people bagging on Bush and blaming him for what is going on. He made mistakes. He's a human being! He's not superman. You want to find out what caused all these problems? SIN! That's what caused the problems! I'm tired of people blaming him for everything. You want to know what is problematic? The fact that people blames a not-so-bad president and calls him worse that presidents that dragged the name of this country INTO THE SEWER. Any names? Bill Clinton, Harry Truman, JFK, Richard Nixon.
Read a history book! Learn something instead watching tv and getting brainwashed by all this propaganda.

If you want to talk about sin then you should talk about Hitler, Pinochet, Bush, Pol Pot, etc.

Having sex is not a sin. How do you think you came to this world?
 
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If you want to talk about sin then you should talk about Hitler, Pinochet, Bush, Pol Pot, etc...

There's a couple of dozen Popes you could have added to the list. Murderous sin is not all secular by any means.

...Having sex is not a sin. How do you think you came to this world?

Being born of sexual intercourse is filthy. Only Jesus was born Pure. :kiss:
 
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There's a couple of dozen Popes you could have added to the list. Murderous sin is not all secular by any means.
There are some Popes who weren't very good. I'd like to see the list though, for the enrichment of my historical knowledge.



Being born of sexual intercourse is filthy. Only Jesus was born Pure. :kiss:
Quite a big misinterpretation of Christian doctrine, and not true.
 
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If you want to talk about sin then you should talk about Hitler, Pinochet, Bush, Pol Pot, etc.

Having sex is not a sin. How do you think you came to this world?
ADULTERY is. The man was married, and he had an affair in his office. Everyone sins. Including Bush, yes. But everyone says that Bush is evil incarnate. Or that he's a retard. He's not. I'm tired of it. You want a screwup? Watch a sitcom on tv. There. Make fun of him. Not a world leader who is trying his best. You're making an Islamic extremist your hero. Yeah, very American.
 
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Bush was NOT a very good president.
He also, though, was not "the epitome of evil." :doh:
He's better that Obama. He's better than JFK. He's better that Truman. He's better than Clinton. I'd rather have Bush than these people.
 
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He's better that Obama. He's better than JFK. He's better that Truman. He's better than Clinton. I'd rather have Bush than these people.

It is obvious you have been influenced by your parents. Since you are too young to properly comprehend politics. It will be better to listen to what others have to say (especially the international crowd). You may yet learn that politicians do not an honest man make!
 
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He's better that Obama. He's better than JFK. He's better that Truman. He's better than Clinton. I'd rather have Bush than these people.

Nothing personal, HS, but I've decided to add you to my ignore list.

Apparently, even at the tender age of 14, you are just too durn smart for me.

;):wave:
 
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