Three quick Noah's Ark questions

[JacksBratt]

Nonsense. God cares about everything. Science is just discovering God's natural laws with some incorporated rules of self-correction and logic.

One thing that science is NOT... is discovering God's natural laws... Today, most science is totally out to end the idea of God.

No. Biblical writers had their own personality, inspiration is not dictation. They used their own vocabulary, cultural themes and their standard way of writing - mythology. They did not care about science, not God.

Yep and isn't it miraculous that God had these men write in their own styles and vocabulary and still we are not to change one Jot or Tittle..... Every word is how God designed it.

Yes, in this old Jewish story. But as we know, genealogies in those days were never precise, ancient nations (Sumer, Babylonia, Egypt, China, India etc) gave their kings and patriarchs huge (and virtual) life spans.

That may be.. but we know the ages of these men because they are recorded in the written word of God. They are recorded for just this purpose...

Even if they are off by some years... it still does not negate the fact that an event that took place back then... would still have eyewitnesses 500 or 600 years later.. and these eye witnesses can tell the story first hand to those that will live another 500 to 600 years..

This means that these events have validity.

 

[solid_core]

One thing that science is NOT... is discovering God's natural laws... Today, most science is totally out to end the idea of God.

You do not need to use the word "God" and still whatever works is from Him and from truth.

Yep and isn't it miraculous that God had these men write in their own styles and vocabulary and still we are not to change one Jot or Tittle..... Every word is how God designed it.

Not sure what you mean. There are no two biblical manuscripts that are the same. There are thousands of changes between any of them. Your Bible print is actually a huge compilation.

That may be.. but we know the ages of these men because they are recorded in the written word of God. They are recorded for just this purpose...

Bible is a library of Jewish writings. Not sure why you want to call their genealogies "word of God". These genealogies were not dictated by God.

Even if they are off by some years... it still does not negate the fact that an event that took place back then... would still have eyewitnesses 500 or 600 years later.. and these eye witnesses can tell the story first hand to those that will live another 500 to 600 years..

This means that these events have validity.

Or maybe its off by 100,000 years or maybe some persons are purely fictional. We cannot know.

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Can you prove that genealogies are "the word of God" and that we have them perfectly preserved till today to do some scientific math on them?

 

[Carl Emerson]

Not sure what you mean. There are no two biblical manuscripts that are the same. There are thousands of changes between any of them. Your Bible print is actually a huge compilation.

In the 40's the trustworthiness of scripture was under attack particularly from the liberals in Germany. Then God arranged the discovery of the Dead sea scrolls including the scroll of Isaiah. This newly discovered scroll was about 1500 years older than what they had seen before and the accuracy between the scrolls was remarkable.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

One thing that science is NOT... is discovering God's natural laws... Today, most science is totally out to end the idea of God.

Amen.
As written in Galatians, et al, the world/ society/ man's knowledge and wisdom apart from in Christ,
is pernicious, seeking to drag everyone down in destruction everywhere.

That may be.. but we know the ages of these men because they are recorded in the written word of God. They are recorded for just this purpose...
Even if they are off by some years... it still does not negate the fact that an event that took place back then... would still have eyewitnesses 500 or 600 years later.. and these eye witnesses can tell the story first hand to those that will live another 500 to 600 years..
This means that these events have validity.

Amen. HALLELUYAH ! MARANANTHA ! (COME quickly LORD JESUS!)

 

[JacksBratt]

You do not need to use the word "God" and still whatever works is from Him and from truth.

Oh, that's it, is it? All these atheistic scientists are proving God's creation... without knowing it?

I doubt that. They are trying to prove what ever they can... without a designer, without a creator.. that all of this was random chance and then mutation and evolution... They do not believe in God and work hard to prove He doesn't exist.

Not sure what you mean. There are no two biblical manuscripts that are the same. There are thousands of changes between any of them. Your Bible print is actually a huge compilation.

You should research a bit. There are thousands of manuscripts. And although they have small errors.. when you look at the thousands of manuscripts it is logically possible to support the true scripture by the massive number out there.

Don't worry. Your view was quite popular, and still is. Even though the dead sea scrolls ended the validity of it... Many waited with wringing hands as these new found scrolls were put together.. However, much to the chagrin of the nay Sayers... The scrolls perfectly backed up the other transcripts.. to the letter.. AND.. as a bonus, even contained much of the Book of Enoch.

Bible is a library of Jewish writings. Not sure why you want to call their genealogies "word of God". These genealogies were not dictated by God.

I find this confusing to hear from a Christian. The canonized books of the bible are the words of God.

If you don't believe that.. then your salvation is without support as you do not believe on Christ.

These "genealogies" are also reinforced and supported by many extra biblical texts from that time and which hold information on the history that parallels the bible.
To name a few: The Book of Jasher, The Book of Jubilee, The book of Enoch. The writings of Josephus.

Or maybe its off by 100,000 years or maybe some persons are purely fictional. We cannot know.

That is just a sad statement. To end it with "We cannot know" is truly shocking from a person that is a Christian.

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Can you prove that genealogies are "the word of God" and that we have them perfectly preserved till today to do some scientific math on them?

It is not my place to prove that the historical account is incorrect... The onus is on you to prove it wrong.

 

[ewq1938]

Some people have very strange interpretations don't they. It is a phrase meaning he was exiled not going into space. (facepalm).

So you admit the meaning of the wording has to be understood because it doesn't always mean what it seems to plainly suggest. In the case of the flood, it was not a global flood anymore than Cain was driven from the earth. In both the word erets means the local land or area one lived in. While the word can mean the entire globe, it does not in these two situations and most times the word in used.

 

[Erik Nelson]

There are Mesopotamian stories about God delivering a family from a flood by giving advance warning. In these stories it rained a long time before the water rose. Monsoonal flooding was common along the Indus River in Pakistan near the border of India. The flood story is Mesopotamian, but I wondered if it were from a place to the east. Iraq is a desert.

today, but not 5000 years ago

then even North Africa was lush

the Piora Oscillation 5000 years ago is a well known wet period when the dead sea rose over 300', 30 stories

the entire region was rained on hard for a long time and Mesopotamia experienced devastating flooding

Iraq experienced Indian weather

 

[Steven Beck]

Walter Brown did a great amount of research on this. He has a "Hydroplate theory" Which is support for YEC which means it gets hammered and rebuked by anyone with any other Darwinian, evolutionary mindset

Thanks mate, I found it. Now I can bookmark.

 

[dqhall]

today, but not 5000 years ago

then even North Africa was lush

the Piora Oscillation 5000 years ago is a well known wet period when the dead sea rose over 300', 30 stories

the entire region was rained on hard for a long time and Mesopotamia experienced devastating flooding

Iraq experienced Indian weather

Archaeologists did pollen studies in the Negev combined with pottery style and C-14 data. They were able to determine the plant species present. The Negev Desert was less arid, but not lush in the Bronze Age.

 

[Roger B]

Noah's Ark - perhaps it is all about Stellar Theology.....