This is what a patriarchal church looks like: Russia Decriminalized Domestic Violence With Support f

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Communism has been scandalized for it’s social justice but obviously it’s an elitism justice for some. Intended or not.

There used to be a "rule of thumb" that you were only permitted to beat your wife with a switch that was no bigger round than your thumb.
 
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...When you have a church that declares that women ought to be submissive to men, and not a one where it recognizes that men and women are equal (no BUTS), these are the natural consequences.

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it;
Efe. 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, and don't be bitter against them.
Col. 3:19

I think it is really hypocrite when some take only half of those guides that were given to husbands and ignore that love part. But I agree, it is not equal, women don’t have same requirement to love and be even ready to die for the husband.
Person who loves, serves and does all kind of good things for other, women are not required to do anything for husband.
 
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Russia Decriminalized Domestic Violence With Support from the Russian Orthodox Church

When you have a church that declares that women ought to be submissive to men, and not a one where it recognizes that men and women are equal (no BUTS), these are the natural consequences.
The Slate isn't at all biased in its reporting, is it? :doh:
You post an article more than 2 and a half years old which claims to quote the Orthodox Church as supporting the abuse of wives yet gives no reference or context to the supposed statement and ignores the fact that the BBC article it also links to, refers to the Orthodox Church providing refuge for victims of domestic violence.

I agree that the situation in Russia is bad for domestic abuse, but to claim the Orthodox Church is complicit is an evil falsehood.
 
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Russia Decriminalized Domestic Violence With Support from the Russian Orthodox Church

When you have a church that declares that women ought to be submissive to men, and not a one where it recognizes that men and women are equal (no BUTS), these are the natural consequences.

Looking through the dark ages of history we see many examples of various Christian church elements approving violence against others when a church idea is being ignored/challenged. Such churches (calling for violence) committed a great many offenses and not merely limited to issues about equality for women.

1. Violence against men because they failed to teach a favored doctrine
2. Violence against men and women who opposed some church teaching.
3. Violence against women for failing to submit to their husbands.

The list is long.
 
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Looking through the dark ages of history we see many examples of various Christian church elements approving violence against others when a church idea is being ignored/challenged. Such churches (calling for violence) committed a great many offenses and not merely limited to issues about equality for women.

1. Violence against men because they failed to teach a favored doctrine
2. Violence against men and women who opposed some church teaching.
3. Violence against women for failing to submit to their husbands.

The list is long.
This isn't the case here. A quote, allegedly from the Church, is placed out of context into an article which deliberately misrepresents the position of the Church
 
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Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it;
Efe. 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, and don't be bitter against them.
Col. 3:19

I think it is really hypocrite when some take only half of those guides that were given to husbands and ignore that love part. But I agree, it is not equal, women don’t have same requirement to love and be even ready to die for the husband.
Person who loves, serves and does all kind of good things for other, women are not required to do anything for husband.
We should also treat woman with equal status.
 
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Communism has been scandalized for it’s social justice but obviously it’s an elitism justice for some. Intended or not.
Quite so. If one thinks of communism as a system of government, it is true that it has never succeeded.

But if one thinks of communism as a tactic of killing a bunch of rich people, it has never failed.
 
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Russia Decriminalized Domestic Violence With Support from the Russian Orthodox Church

When you have a church that declares that women ought to be submissive to men, and not a one where it recognizes that men and women are equal (no BUTS), these are the natural consequences.

Looking through the dark ages of history we see many examples of various Christian church elements approving violence against others when a church idea is being ignored/challenged. Such churches (calling for violence) committed a great many offenses and not merely limited to issues about equality for women.

1. Violence against men because they failed to teach a favored doctrine
2. Violence against men and women who opposed some church teaching.
3. Violence against women for failing to submit to their husbands.

The list is long.

This isn't the case here. A quote, allegedly from the Church, is placed out of context into an article which deliberately misrepresents the position of the Church

"allegedly from the church" and "out of context" is having it "both ways".

Either it is actually from the church or it is not.

If it is actually from the church - then is it out of context? if so what is the right context?

But it is nonsense to argue that it is a quote that is not from the church and is also out of context - unless you can untangle that statement to some significant degree.
 
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Quite so. If one thinks of communism as a system of government, it is true that it has never succeeded.

But if one thinks of communism as a tactic of killing a bunch of rich people, it has never failed.

True. But then "many things" have been "successful at killing a lot of people" including the plagues that killed so many American indians.
 
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True. But then "many things" have been "successful at killing a lot of people" including the plagues that killed so many American indians.
As true as that may be, I don’t see what that has to do with my post.

Edit- Yes, I recognize the irony of implying that your post isn’t related to my post when my post isn’t really related to the OP. As a defense, I offer the probability that we’re all hypocrites.
 
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"allegedly from the church" and "out of context" is having it "both ways".

Either it is actually from the church or it is not.

If it is actually from the church - then is it out of context? if so what is the right context?
Since no context is provided for the alleged quote, and the only mention of the Orthodox Church in the source article was its role in providing support for abused women, whether the quote is genuine or not, it is still out of context.
 
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