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Discussion in 'Current News & Events (Articles Required)' started by Introverted1293, Aug 29, 2020.

  1. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    The latest far-right defense of Trump's botched COVID-19 response is a lie about Obama and H1N1

    Trump Youth leader Charlie Kirk is trying to get a new coronavirus talking point going, and Donald Trump is eager to help: But what about the 2009 H1N1 “swine flu”? Specifically, what about the Obama administration’s allegedly botched response to it?

    Kirk is spreading lies, but he got a Trump retweet and Rudy Giuliani signed on to the effort to make Donald Trump’s COVID-19 response look less bad by lying about Obama’s H1N1 response.

    “This is your daily reminder that it took Barack Obama until October of 2009 to declare Swine Flu a National Health Emergency,” Kirk tweeted. “It began in April of ‘09 but Obama waited until 20,000 people in the US had been hospitalized & 1,000+ had died. Where was the media hysteria then?”

    Facts: President Obama declared a public health emergency in April 2009, when there had been just 20 cases of H1N1 confirmed in the U.S., and no deaths. A funding request followed two days later. In October, when there had been 1,000 deaths, Obama declared a national emergency.

    (See, there are two different kinds of emergency: a public health emergency, and a national emergency. They trigger different possibilities for action. Obama declared one more or less immediately and the other six months later.)
    The latest far-right defense of Trump's botched COVID-19 response is a lie about Obama and H1N1

    Here's how it went when Obama faced the same crisis:
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    Here's how Trump is doing:
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    Kinda tells it all, um?
     
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2020
  2. The Barbarian

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    No. It's not a matter of mechanical filtration. Incoming particles tend to adhere to any fibers they contact. So depending on the fiber, there will be entrapment of many virus particles moving through the mask, mostly by electrostatic forces. This is why they provide some benefit to wearers.
     
  3. Tony Ramirez

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    Masks don't protect fully. Only an hazmat suit fully protects. Otherwise it can get in through the eyes and by touch. A mask is like a mid evil knight only wearing an helmet to protect himself from battle.
     
  4. genez

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    Let the elderly stay home. Let the work force... work. Make sense please.
     
  5. genez

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    Funny.... as a friendly gift from the dept of health people I knew, I was given an honorary hazmat suit. Its going to be a collectors item someday.
     
  6. The Liturgist

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    The problems with anosmia in Zicam occurred as a result of routine use; the makers of the drug lost a class action lawsuit. What is more, Zicam is a homeopathic remedy. Its not really a viable medication for treating SARS-Cov2, which is why we aren’t seeing it in use in the ER, ICU and other critical care settings.
     
  7. Hawkins

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    The most effectiveness of a mask is to prevent your own saliva from coming. Saliva is usually the source of such a kind of virus to go from one person to another. The effectiveness is considered proven in highly populated areas such as cities in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong. It is said that in order for masks to work this way to prevent an out break of the corona virus, it requires 95% people to wear a mask when going outdoor.
     
  8. nonaeroterraqueous

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    It's not saliva, actually. In order for the oxygen to exchange across the lung into the blood, the air must had very high humidity. The body humidifies the air to nearly 100% at temperatures near body temperature, and it exits into the colder ambient air at this concentration during exhalation. The colder air cannot maintain this humidity, and the water falls out of vapor into an aerosol form. The source of this moisture is the nasal passages and the lungs, not the mouth, where the salivary glands reside.

    (It's just water, not spit.)
     
  9. Hawkins

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    Humid air may contribute to a contract. The main point is, a mask can reduce the effectiveness of such a kind of contribution when saliva is blocked from coming out in the first place.
     
  10. nonaeroterraqueous

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    I agree. We might call it size exclusion, versus charge exclusion. When it comes to air filtration, as opposed to liquid filtration, a filter can easily capture particles vastly smaller than the pore size, because of electrostatic attraction. They don't need to accidentally touch a fiber on their way through the filter, but they are drawn to it as they pass near it.

    The masks do provide some benefit. I wouldn't have people getting too confident in them, though.
     
  11. The Barbarian

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    Like seat belts. They work, but they aren't a guarantee.

    I like your user name.
     
  12. Tony Ramirez

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    I am actually surprised at society accepting wearing masks. You will think there would be more people protesting. I never expected the masses to accept it.

    I must have a dislike for masks from a past experience when I was about 3 or 4 years I was in the hospital and nearly died so seeing people wearing masks really gets too me.
     
  13. genez

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  14. The Barbarian

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    Bottom line? Surgeons and other OR personnel wear them because they work. They wouldn't do it, otherwise. And yes, I know:

    "But my Aunt Harriet told me that Rush Limbaugh said they didn't work. So there!" Doctors also knew that abusing drugs was bad for your brain, and Limbaugh had to learn that the hard way. Hopefully, it won't happen to him again on this issue.

    A half-wit decided to politicize an important protective device, pretending it won't work, and the sheeple fell right into line.
     
  15. dms1972

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    How is there going to be enough of these masks to go around, if they are "universally mandated"?, and because its doubly important for healthcare staff to have their adequate portion, what would you recommend be done to maintain those supplies? Its one thing posting on a forum that they should be "universally mandated" (a phrase that lacking further explanation is rather meaningless).
     
  16. SkyWriting

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    Even single-use masks can be washed. My wife says they make it through wash cycles just fine.
    So if you need five, I will send them to you. I have a box in my car.
     
  17. SkyWriting

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    A mask also keeps you from picking your nose. Going direct from doorknobs...or just Knobs, to your nose or mouth.
    [​IMG]
     
  18. dms1972

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    If face masks are required to be worn by everyone (which would be pretty much unenforcable - and distract the police from normal policing tasks) - how would there be enough to go round - there is a limited supply. I think it would be better if hospitals had a subdivision that could manufacture their own PPE, and therefore produce whatever quantity they estimate would be needed in the coming year. This would mean that when PPE was in short supply, they would not have to order it from the other side of the world with the risks of it maybe being old stock thats been in a warehouse for years, or getting soiled in transit. It also means they would be using stock that had been freshly manufactured. I don't know whether or not that sort of sub-divisional in-house manufacturing is used by many health services?
     
  19. dms1972

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    Thanks for the offer, I re-wash my own, with a dilute solution of bleach. I find it works best if they are not left in the water for a long time, but just submerged briefly then left to dry.
     
  20. dms1972

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    There has been studies (I quoted one up the thread) done which demonstrate that wearing a mask significantly reduces the distance water droplets travel if a person coughs or sneezes. This is nothing like the pandemic of 1918

    The issue of comfort mentioned in the article would seem to be moot nowadays, they are much better made, unless someone has an allergy to the material - that would be a very very small number of people - and as I have said its not a matter of forcing everyone to wear one everywhere, its only a matter of asking people to wear one in situations such as when on public transport to limit the spread. Immunity is the best defence, you cannot force people who are elderly or have weak immune systems to become immune. A multifaceted approach is needed, not a one size suits all approach.
     
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