Thinking Hebraically

[Henaynei]

http://www.matsati.com/ThinkingHebraically.pdf

Read this discussion on Hebraic mindset vs Greek mindset when reading scripture.
What do YOU think?

 

[rsduncan]

It makes sense to me. What I got out of it is that the Scriptures are inscruitable apart from their cultural context and that actions and the results of actions are the best measure of the worth of something. When I read that, Matthew 7:15-20 popped into my mind...

 

[Henaynei]

Yes
Belief (on which the majority of followers seem to base their relationship) is thought/idea based
Trust (on which our relationship is supposed to be based) is action based
My husband teaches it like this:
A man and his blind son were walking across town. They had an agreement that if they came to railroad tracks and it was safe the father would tap his son on the shoulder and they would both cross the tracks.
Now, when they got to the train yard it was very noisy and the rumble of trains could be felt through the ground. When they came to the tracks the father checked carefully both ways, it was clear. He tapped his son on the shoulder.
1) the son had no trouble believing his father existed, he had just tapped him on the shoulder
2) but if the son hesitated he demonstrated he had a lack o f trust.

 

[rsduncan]

Yes
Belief (on which the majority of followers seem to base their relationship) is thought/idea based
Trust (on which our relationship is supposed to be based) is action based
My husband teaches it like this:
A man and his blind son were walking across town. They had an agreement that if they came to railroad tracks and it was safe the father would tap his son on the shoulder and they would both cross the tracks.
Now, when they got to the train yard it was very noisy and the rumble of trains could be felt through the ground. When they came to the tracks the father checked carefully both ways, it was clear. He tapped his son on the shoulder.
1) the son had no trouble believing his father existed, he had just tapped him on the shoulder
2) but if the son hesitated he demonstrated he had a lack o f trust.

This is why Abraham's faith in G-d can be accounted as righteousness...

 

[yedida]

http://www.matsati.com/ThinkingHebraically.pdf

Read this discussion on Hebraic mindset vs Greek mindset when reading scripture.
What do YOU think?

I listen to this writer weekly. Duane Miller is a very good teacher.

 

[yedida]

This is why Abraham's faith in G-d can be accounted as righteousness...

Yes, because everything he heard Hashem tell him to do, even something as simple as get up, go outside and look up at the stars - Abraham obeyed. He didn't just mentally acknowledge that Hashem had spoken, he reacted on what he heard.

 

[Henaynei]

I listen to this writer weekly. Duane Miller is a very good teacher.

I think so too

 

[znr]

Yes, because everything he heard Hashem tell him to do, even something as simple as get up, go outside and look up at the stars - Abraham obeyed. He didn't just mentally acknowledge that Hashem had spoken, he reacted on what he heard.

I read most of it. This is amazing! If I'm reading correctly, people then didn't ruminate so much on their thoughts. That's good news for people who think too much I guess, yes?

 

[yedida]

I think so too

You can hear him teach weekly on CTOMC or are you in his area in Va.?

 

[Henaynei]

We miss so much and have the wrong point of view of scripture so often, because we think with a Greco-western mind set. For many in the Church and even in the secular culture it is the only "right" way to think

 

[Henaynei]

I read most of it. This is amazing! If I'm reading correctly, people then didn't ruminate so much on their thoughts. That's good news for people who think too much I guess, yes?

Even with G-d, actions are louder than words, or thoughts, or merely belief.

 

[Henaynei]

You can hear him teach weekly on CTOMC or are you in his area in Va.?

I've known Duane and his teaching, on the Internet, for nearly 15 years. I have not heard him on CTOMC yet because our one computer is so old and barely running and DH needs it for our ministry and his writing. Trying to get it to handle InSpeak would likely fry it's innards, or at the very least drop out of the program repeatedly.
Getting InSpeak back is high on the list when G-d sees fit for us to get new computers

 

[znr]

Even with G-d, actions are louder than words, or thoughts, or merely belief.

For someone who suffers from OCD like symptoms, the hebraic view/action could possibly help the mind, if what I am seeing is true, and a mind could renew on the scriptures based on this view. That's what I'm thinking. I could be totally out to lunch on that.

 

[Henaynei]

For someone who suffers from OCD like symptoms, the hebraic view/action could possibly help the mind, if what I am seeing is true, and a mind could renew on the scriptures based on this view. That's what I'm thinking. I could be totally out to lunch on that.

That makes sense to me.

 

[yedida]

I've known Duane and his teaching, on the Internet, for nearly 15 years. I have not heard him on CTOMC yet because our one computer is so old and barely running and DH needs it for our ministry and his writing. Trying to get it to handle InSpeak would likely fry it's innards, or at the very least drop out of the program repeatedly.
Getting InSpeak back is high on the list when G-d sees fit for us to get new computers

I didn't even realize that he has his teachings up online. That's wonderful. I'll send folks to him that could benefit.
Here's praying for a decent computer for you. I think CTOMC/inSpeak is wonderful for those who don't have a home congregation. Avner Solomon and many of the other teachers are great! And you get to know the other attendees well, just like here on the forum.

 

[Seeking Him]

The important thing to remember, is that the gentiles, received the Holy Spirit not by works, and I think that is amazing. Thank you Jesus, you are a living being, and the promse of the Spirit, came to the sons of Abraham by faith. And the miracles performed were a part of the promise too.The odd thing is, that the Jews, even though they do not realise it, is that they have to come in the same way as the Gentiles, and it has nothingh to do with Judiasm, one new man..

We are in one Spirit now.



Galatians 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Amazing..praise Jesus!

 

[yedida]

The important thing to remember, is that the gentiles, received the Holy Spirit not by works, and I think that is amazing. Thank you Jesus, you are a living being, and the promse of the Spirit, came to the sons of Abraham by faith. And the miracles performed were a part of the promise too.The odd thing is, that the Jews, even though they do not realise it, is that they have to come in the same way as the Gentiles, and it has nothingh to do with Judiasm, one new man..

We are in one Spirit now.



Galatians 3:14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

Amazing..praise Jesus!

What is "faith" to you?

 

[yonah_mishael]

Most of what is written there seems to have nothing to do with any Hebraic way of thinking, but rather a Jesus way of thinking. Why not call it Christ Think and define it as the way that Jesus viewed the world? Can this stuff be demonstrated from a Jewish perspective that doesn't originate in the New Testament?

 

[yedida]

Most of what is written there seems to have nothing to do with any Hebraic way of thinking, but rather a Jesus way of thinking. Why not call it Christ Think and define it as the way that Jesus viewed the world? Can this stuff be demonstrated from a Jewish perspective that doesn't originate in the New Testament?

If one is fortunate enough to find a Jewish rabbi, one who was born and raised in Judaism, has the credentials to teach, then we're on a roll.
Yes, most of us came out of mainstream Christianity and it still shows in most of us in one degree or another. You don't unlearn old things nearly as quickly as you can learn new things. And you can't drop old bad habits as quickly as you can pick up new habits (be they good or bad).
Give us a break and some learning time. You needed it. I pray you were afforded the room and the time you needed.

 

[GuardianShua]

Most of what is written there seems to have nothing to do with any Hebraic way of thinking, but rather a Jesus way of thinking. Why not call it Christ Think and define it as the way that Jesus viewed the world? Can this stuff be demonstrated from a Jewish perspective that doesn't originate in the New Testament?

How about some kind of example?