They shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven...

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Peace in Christ.

What is the sign of His coming....that is, PRESENCE?

Mat 24:3 KJV
(3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


We have a “more sure word of prophecy”. We have a more personal, convincing sign of the Son of man’s presence.

When the Lord speaks to us (interpreting the Scriptures in the Spirit of Truth), we have His sign appear within our very own once-darkened hearts: the arising “day star”….that is, the bright and morning star.

This is the sign of the Son of man in “heaven”…..in those who set their affections on things that rule in heaven above: peace, joy, kindness, love, patience, etc.

Only they (those who dwell in those things of “heaven” above here on earth) will see the sign of the Son’s presence within their hearts.

This sign within our very hearts is the witness of God about His Son whom we are to hear as He opens up the Scriptures to our hearing ears: “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased”.

The disciples on the holy mount heard a voice come from heaven.

We hear the voice from heaven speaking to us via the interpretation of the Scriptures as spoken in the Spirit of Truth and we see the sign in our own hearts that this is the true Son speaking to us. This is the witness of God about His Son that will shine within our hearts.

The private interpretation of the Scriptures as preached by earthly men do not have this inward effect upon the heart. They must use outward “signs” and wonders in order to deceive us.

2Pe 1:17-21 KJV
(17) For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
(18) And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
(19) We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
(20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


Our citizenship is in Heaven right here on earth when we only seek those things which are above.

Those who “dwell upon the earth” are those who do not focus on heavenly things as they let the earthly wisdom rule them: envy, strife, hatred of others, wrath, etc. They do not focus on the things above but are bogged down in their own envy and strife.

Col 3:1-2 KJV
(1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
(2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.


Those who “dwell on the earth” do not mortify those things that they dwell on: fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

Col 3:5-6 KJV
(5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
(6) For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:


The sign of the Son of man appears (shines) in “heaven”…in those who set their affection on things above. They will know when they are in the presence of the Son when they hear Him speak. That sign….or indication of His presence…is the “bright and morning star” arising in their very own hearts. They will rejoice when they will hear the Son speaking.

The “tribes of the earth” though will mourn when they see the Son of man coming on the “clouds of heaven” with power and great glory. They will see the outward result of the preaching of the true Son as many (clouds of people) will assemble in Him when they hear His Word of Truth.

The “tribes of the earth” will mourn when they will see the “clouds” of people who will believe in what the Son preaches to them. Their joy will be darkened. They will shake in fear when they see this. Those who are in charge of the churches now will mourn. Their joy shall be darkened ....and they will fear what is coming upon the clouds of people who will rejoice in what they hear. Their rule over the people of God is coming to an end.

Mat 24:29-31 KJV
(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
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We are compassed about with a great “cloud of witnesses”.

Heb 12:1 KJV
(1) Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,


The Lord interprets the words of the eyewitnesses of the Scriptures. We are caught up with them (the biblical saints) in “clouds” of people. The world shall see the effect of the Son’s preaching as we shall assemble in the Word of Truth. We are made partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light....in the knowledge of God.

Col 1:12-13 KJV
(12) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
(13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:


They….the saints of the Bible….the great cloud of eyewitnesses….all died without receiving the promise (eternal life). They without us should not be complete. We are completed when we hear the Son’s interpretation of the eyewitnesses’ words in the Spirit of Truth….and BELIEVE in Him. We are to hear Him…the Son whom the Father is well pleased in.

Heb 11:39-40 KJV
(39) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
(40) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.


We are caught up together in "clouds" in their words when we hear the Son’s interpretation of them.

Those who “dwell on the earth” will only see the sign of Jonah as they will see the repentance of those who will hear and believe as the Son comes on the “clouds” of the people who dwell on things above. The Ninevites repented at the preaching of Jonah....but not a greater One preaches. They will outwardly see the powerful influence of the Son's preaching on many people (the clouds of heaven) who will believe when they hear His words of life and spirit.
 

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Peace in Christ.

What is the sign of His coming....that is, PRESENCE?

Mat 24:3 KJV
(3) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?


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The sign of the Son of man appears (shines) in “heaven”…

The “tribes of the earth” though will mourn when they see the Son of man coming on the “clouds of heaven” with power and great glory...

Mat 24:29-31 KJV
(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(31) And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
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Matt 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


2 Thess 1: 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,


1 Thess 4:13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

Rev 19:
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. 15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. 16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, “Come, assemble for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.”

19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.

20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
 
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Immediately after the tribulation of those days ( the time of the false prophets cutting off the eternal life of Jesus from being made manifest in this earth by preaching "another jesus" and another gospel with another spirit...the spirit of the antichrist), the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light.

This is saying that those "stars" ....the highly exalted church leaders....will have their joy turned into mourning because the "clouds" of people will instead listen to the Son rather than them. They will fall from heaven....from being highly exalted by many. Many did speak well of them....but that will change.

The "clouds" cover their sun and the moon from their point of view (from the false prophets' "earthly" mindedness). Their joy turns into deep gloom.


Mat 24:29-30 KJV
(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


The "clouds" of people that they will see who will rejoice in the Lord will bring them to mourn what they see happening. The clouds cover up the sun and moon of their joyfulness so-to-speak. Their influence over the people of God comes to an end....and they will mourn and weep it.

Luk 6:24-26 KJV
(24) But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.
(25) Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.
(26) Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
 
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Matt 24:29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.


2 Thess 1: 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

At the end of the tribulation Jesus appears in the sky -- and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

Saints are then raptured -- and gathered from one end of the sky to the other.
31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Because in John 14:1-3 Jesus promised to come back and get the saints - and take them to the place He has prepared in Heaven - to our heavenly Father "who is in Heaven" as Matt 6 says.
 
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