These Times Are Similar To What Period?

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First, I need to be clear. These are the best of times for the US, and for the rest of the world. This is true on almost any measure (except one) when we look at generations, rather than individual years or decades.
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1850's
That being said, I do think that today's challenges are very different in kind from anything that we've seen since Reconstruction. The times have been compared to the 1850's when a significant part of the country was at odds with the ideas of the majority with regard to so many parts of their lives. Of course the failure to resolve the divisions of the 1850's led to a significant number of states refusing to continue to obey the laws of the country or accept the authority of its national leadership. They simply fired on Ft. Sumter and Declared their Independence. It worked in 1776, so why not in 1861?

The country might have done much better had Lincoln lived another decade, and Reconstruction not been reversed. We forget how many blacks were a part of the governments in the Southern states after the War. As is was, blacks were voting, contributing citizens for only a decade. Then it was back to almost slavery.
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1964-1974 (the decade after the Civil Rights Act
We need to be reminded just how divided we were. There was a segregationist party. Political leaders and civil leaders were being assassinated. Portions of many cities were being burned to the ground (100 times worse than 2020). There was rioting at political conventions. Millions of youth demonstrated and were considered enemies of the state by the federal government. And yes, we turned to a "law and order" president in Nixon. We ended up with wage and price controls, and wild inflation. I remember bonds paying 19% (they pay about 1% today). We were fighting a war much more devastating that the current 20 years war.
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AS SOMEONE NOTED THIS WEEKEND
The US experienced a severe reaction to the passage of civil rights legislation in the 60's (and the legal actions of the 50's). The idea of blacks being equal threatened a large portion of the country. And here we are again, reacting to the idea of a black president, and now a female black vice president.

There is no question, many feel threatened.

But IMO, the situation is very much worse now than in the late 60's when the cities were on fire. Those with racial and class grievances control a political party. Fringe groups are now mainstream. It is now OK to belong to various white supremacist groups and to spout conspiracy theories. These groups have leaders and supporters in the leadership of the Republican Party.

Even if we agree that January 6th wasn't run by or caused by the TRP, there is no question that the actions are acceptable and normalized, as are the ideas expressed by the groups attacking the capitol.
 
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I think these verses sum up the best where we are:

But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. (2 Timothy 3:1-5)

“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” (2 Timothy 4:3)

Revelation 3:14 These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

I think the above verse applies to many Churches in the western world today, that the Churches are self-satisfied. The Church has no spiritual value. The Christians attend the church for an hour on Sunday and that's it, they do no more.

Remember what Jesus said what it will be like just before He comes? That it will be like in the days of Noah, when everyone laughed at Noah when he warned people about God's upcoming judgement. Same is happening now more than ever. Jesus also asked, if He will find any faith on Earth when He returns. I think there will be a huge apostasy in the Church many will fall away, because they never had faith in the first place. That leads me to believe that very tough times are about to come, that will test the faith of every individual, mainly Christians, so the wheat and tears can be separated.
 
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I think the period we are most similar to is the 20's - pretty much to exactly 100 years ago. Pandemic back then as well, plus the beginning of the shift of the nation's wealth out of the middle class and into the wealthy class. Real estate shifting in that direction as well, same as the 20's. It culminates in the roaring 20's with a small wealthy class living opulently and debauched while the poorer working classes grow. Market crash and depression to follow, probably in the 30's. Again.
 
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I think the period we are most similar to is the 20's - pretty much to exactly 100 years ago. Pandemic back then as well, plus the beginning of the shift of the nation's wealth out of the middle class and into the wealthy class. Real estate shifting in that direction as well, same as the 20's. It culminates in the roaring 20's with a small wealthy class living opulently and debauched while the poorer working classes grow. Market crash and depression to follow, probably in the 30's. Again.

What was the equivalent of WWI?
 
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Economically, the early 21st century is somewhat similar to the later 19th century. Back then, the country was shifting from an agricultural to an industrial economy. With a corresponding shift in wealth. The big money was moving from large ranchers/farmers/landowners to the railroad barons (Cornelius Vanderbilt,) oil refiners (J.D. Rockefeller,) steel men (Andrew Carnegie,) and financial tycoons (J.P. Morgan.) At least since since the 60s, we're moving again. This time from an industrial to a technology/service economy. And the high-paying jobs are shifting away from blue collar manufacturing to technology/health care/information occupations. (The finance sector is still doing well.) The pathway to wealth is now more a function of education than manual skills. The graph is informative:


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There have been ups and downs, but for this 27 year period, the greatest wealth has been accumulated by those with the highest level of education attainment. I think this also accounts for a good portion of our political divisiveness, and the rise of populism. Those in the traditional blue collar, working class feel ignored and disparaged by those in higher paying, technology intensive occupations.
 
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Climate change is the wildcard. I dont mean "we're allgonna die!" But the economic transition, security challenges, and existential-dread-extremism that it will cause will be truly novel.
This includes the background horror of a dying natural world.

Yeah we're not going to "kill the earth". But the transition will be faster than most ecosystems can adapt to. The initial 100 to 1000 years - guessing here - will be a period of great dismay.
 
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It seems the world is already living in times described in Revelation. Many people are calling evil good and good evil. Folks will not turn away from sin but seem to steer into sin. Plagues, disasters, crime is easily seen across the globe today. Yet humans have a tendency to blame others for the ills of society without working to improve themselves in God's eyes. One can really only change the person in the mirror.
 
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What was the equivalent of WWI?

The Gulf War/Afghanistan? There do seem to be some parallels between the US prior to 1920 being heavily involved in wars and issues outside of the US, to include the start of the League of Nations, and after Harding and Coolidge became Presidents, to not being part of the League of Nations and limiting the role of the US in international relations.
 
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But IMO, the situation is very much worse now than in the late 60's when the cities were on fire. Those with racial and class grievances control a political party. Fringe groups are now mainstream. It is now OK to belong to various white supremacist groups and to spout conspiracy theories. These groups have leaders and supporters in the leadership of the Republican Party.

Even if we agree that January 6th wasn't run by or caused by the TRP, there is no question that the actions are acceptable and normalized, as are the ideas expressed by the groups attacking the capitol.
When you consider groups and ideas like BLM, Critical race theory, defund the police, Socialism, attacks on free speech, and others, given control of the political party on the left, it is clear there are fringe groups on both sides of the isle.
 
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It seems the world is already living in times described in Revelation. Many people are calling evil good and good evil. Folks will not turn away from sin but seem to steer into sin. Plagues, disasters, crime is easily seen across the globe today. Yet humans have a tendency to blame others for the ills of society without working to improve themselves in God's eyes. One can really only change the person in the mirror.
Been hearing the same thing for fifty years.
 
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When you consider groups and ideas like BLM, Critical race theory, defund the police, Socialism, attacks on free speech, and others, given control of the political party on the left, it is clear there are fringe groups on both sides of the isle.

There have always been fringe groups on both sides of the aisle. The open question is the nature of the parties themselves, and what actions are made and supported by the party leadership.

IMO, one I think that one needs to step back and consider whether the white supremacists that marched on January 6th and this weekend are really similar in kind and effect to BLM.

As far as economics, the "socialism" of the left is no more extreme that the extremes of those of the right who oppose almost all safety net programs.
 
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Jimmy Carter created 9.8 million job that is almost 13 million more job then Donald J Trump ( Trump lost 3 million jobs in 4 years)

Jimmy Carter almost bankrupted the US - those of us who lived through his fiasco remember

Unemployment rate north of 7% as an average
Mortgage rates in the double digits
Car loans 12% and above
While loved by the world - he weakened our standing resulting in the longest hostage captivity in the 20th century.
Gas shortages

Jimmy was elected because the American Public were against the Republicans because of Nixon (and rightly so). They voted in change - he was touted as someone who was compassionate, caring and could bring both sides of the aisle together.

The good news is that his reign only lasted four years and resulted in 12 years of Republican leadership. We can only hope it does so again with this guy.
 
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[QUOTE="hislegacy, post: 76071880, member: 169010"

The good news is that his reign only lasted four years and resulted in 12 years of Republican leadership. We can only hope it does so again with this guy.[/QUOTE]

I am amazed how GOP thinks after 4 years of Biden Republican will come back to power. Since 2016 Election, GOP lost the House and the Senate, White House and many local and state elections.

Democrat and Left will not support Republican, Conservative like myself will not support any Republican until GOP remove almost all republican “policy of today” and completely purge GOP from Trumpism. Young voters don’t like GOP policy, 90% African Americans don’t like Republican platform, 70% Hispanic don’t like GOP policy, while white voters are shrinking . So my question is how do you win election when majority Americans do not like Republican platform?
 
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So my question is how do you win election when majority Americans do not like Republican platform?

I don't watch CNN, MSNBC - or what I consider the left propaganda ministry in the US. So I don't believe what you posted, considering things like:

Report: Trump Picked Up More Hispanic And Women Voters In 2020 Election

New data from Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel on voters in the 2020 election found that support for Trump among Hispanics increased 10 percent from the 2016 election. Trump also outperformed Republicans running in House elections in 2018.

“Trump made gains among Hispanic voters. While Biden took a 59% majority of the Hispanic vote, Trump (with 38%) gained significantly over the level of support Republican candidates for the House received in 2018 (25%),” according to Pew.
As for the Republicans gaining back the House and Senate - my opinion is that by the time the 2022 mid terms have rolled around the sentiment will have changed because of the financial hardships, rampant inflation and the rise in crime. That is my opinion.

We will see in 2022.

BTW - this is from Sarasota just recently:

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I don't watch CNN, MSNBC - or what I consider the left propaganda ministry in the US. So I don't believe what you posted, considering things like:

Report: Trump Picked Up More Hispanic And Women Voters In 2020 Election

New data from Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel on voters in the 2020 election found that support for Trump among Hispanics increased 10 percent from the 2016 election. Trump also outperformed Republicans running in House elections in 2018.

“Trump made gains among Hispanic voters. While Biden took a 59% majority of the Hispanic vote, Trump (with 38%) gained significantly over the level of support Republican candidates for the House received in 2018 (25%),” according to Pew.
As for the Republicans gaining back the House and Senate - my opinion is that by the time the 2022 mid terms have rolled around the sentiment will have changed because of the financial hardships, rampant inflation and the rise in crime. That is my opinion.

We will see in 2022.

May be I don’t understand math but 59% is still greater then 38%.
 
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