There have been reports of WOF people dying from the virus

[Daniel Marsh]

"Three members of the church have died of the virus, according to former members. But it's unclear how many have been infected. "
Former World of Faith member charged with breaking into minister's home

"RUTHERFORD COUNTY, N.C. (WLOS) — News 13 has confirmed Loren Martinez, the Rutherford County man who died April 8, 2020 at Rutherford Regional Hospital from complications with COVID-19, was a member of the Christian group Word of Faith Fellowship (WOFF)." Rutherford County man who died from COVID-19 was Word of Faith member, brother says

There are positive wof stories like feeding the poor. These stories simply challenge the claim that all wof members are healed.

 

[lismore]

There are positive wof stories like feeding the poor. These stories simply challenge the claim that all wof members are healed.

Shasta County health officials have confirmed 274 cases of COVID-19 connected to Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM).

COVID-19 cases tied to Bethel double as a leader criticizes mask policies

 

[Daniel Marsh]

My current count of God healing me of the virus is in double digits.

 

[lismore]

Not to mention using illness and death to attack a faith group, albeit indirectly, is pretty low.

Hello Topher. The way I read it Daniel Marsh is posting a relevant discussion point, on an issue not initially raised by himself. Some speakers, Andrew Wommack for example, said that someone of faith cannot contract the virus. I find that's it's a fascinating topic to delve into in a spirit of fellowship. Maybe some of the brothers and sisters here will too? God Bless

 

[hislegacy]

There are positive wof stories like feeding the poor. These stories simply challenge the claim that all wof members are healed.

Who made that claim? Link please.

Certainly not Kenneth Hagin, nor any instructor in the largest Word of Faith School. Curious who this might be that made the claim.

 

[hislegacy]

Here is that particular churches beliefs:

Beliefs | Word of Faith Fellowship

Can you share which ones you do not agree with, or where is says everyone is healed? It is under subsection 7. I can't seem to find it.

Thank you for your help.

 

[now faith]

Hello Topher. The way I read it Daniel Marsh is posting a relevant discussion point, on an issue not initially raised by himself. Some speakers, Andrew Wommack for example, said that someone of faith cannot contract the virus. I find that's it's a fascinating topic to delve into in a spirit of fellowship. Maybe some of the brothers and sisters here will too? God Bless

Nice topic for another forum, I suppose it is ok since the members here
do not post hardly at all any more.
The title said World of Faith Church, I doubt whoever has written this even knows who Andrew Wommack is.
Maybe Dr. Fauchie has the gift of prophecy?
The good doctor predicted a pandemic under the current administration
in 2017.
He also when studying the Spanish flu that occurred in 1918, found that face masks caused a great deal of death from bacterial pneumonia.
He preformed this study in 2008.
Ah but it has been censored quickly, from all the major media.

I would not waste a lot of time on Death rates of Word of Faith people anyway.
My main concern is the Death rate for aborition.

 

[fwGod]

"Three members of the church have died of the virus, according to former members. But it's unclear how many have been infected. "
Former World of Faith member charged with breaking into minister's home

"RUTHERFORD COUNTY, N.C. (WLOS) — News 13 has confirmed Loren Martinez, the Rutherford County man who died April 8, 2020 at Rutherford Regional Hospital from complications with COVID-19, was a member of the Christian group Word of Faith Fellowship (WOFF)." Rutherford County man who died from COVID-19 was Word of Faith member, brother says

There are positive wof stories like feeding the poor.

These stories simply challenge the claim that all wof members are healed.

Not really.
Why would anyone think that faith for healing would prevent some old person with health issues from dying? The fact that they had health issues should be a clue that just being a member of WoF is not a guarantee of excellent health.

All of the apostles who wrote the new testament had faith to heal others, to be delivered out of all troubles.. and yet they each died.
It's unrealistic to say that WoF members won't die. When a body gets old enough death is inevitable. After all, even K.Hagin the CEO of WoF died.

 

[lismore]

Not really.
Why would anyone think that faith for healing would prevent some old person with health issues from dying?

Hello fwGod. Because that's what certain WOF teachers like Andrew Wommack have said. Not even faith for healing, but faith to prevent contracting the virus in the first place.

The way I am reading this thread is that a poster Daniel Marsh is trying to compare the claims of WOF teachers to the reality, which I find quite interesting. Could be an interesting topic?

It seems that in the case of Bethel their perhaps presumption has led to them being worse affected by the virus than the population at large? What do you think?

God Bless

 

[lismore]

I would not waste a lot of time on Death rates of Word of Faith people anyway.
My main concern is the Death rate for aborition.

Hello. Thank you for your post. There is a perception that WOF teachers talk a lot about health and healing, I have yet to hear a WOF sermon about stopping abortion. They probably exist, I haven't heard one. I guess the way to stop abortion would have been to vote for Trump? God Bless

 

[fwGod]

Hello fwGod.

Hello lismore.

Because that's what certain WOF teachers like Andrew Wommack have said.

He very well may have said that faith makes the difference however it's a snapshot and not the entire movie concerning the full amount of his teaching on faith for healing. So just using the snapshot would create a misunderstanding of what he said.

Not even faith for healing, but faith to prevent contracting the virus in the first place.

The WoF teaches healing by faith in God. Conventionally health is described as not getting infected by cold or flu virus while others do. So that is the only way that I can compare his statement with having faith to prevent getting infected.

However, faith will not ultimately prevent death because death will still be happening during the Messianic Millennium.

The way I am reading this thread is that a poster Daniel Marsh is trying to compare the claims of WOF teachers to the reality, which I find quite interesting. Could be an interesting topic?

I've already read a number of websites that have done such a thing.

It seems that in the case of Bethel their perhaps presumption has led to them being worse affected by the virus than the population at large? What do you think?

There's no evidence of presumption being practiced at Bethel. Your statement seems rooted in the idea that presumptions result in God punishing them with sickness. But if it were true than arrogant sinners would all have various sicknesses rather than be healthy.

Faith in God is not presumption. It better not be because if it was then every Christian would be punished by God for using faith to get saved and subsequently every use of faith regarding all of our Christian lives.

We know that the WoF member who was of an age and had other health issues was undone by the virus.
If it's hard to exercise faith in a lovely time.. then surely the level of difficulty to exercise faith to be healed would be all the greater while the virus is attacking the other health issues.

In the long run, it's better to have faith in God even if death still occurs then to not have any faith at all.

God Bless

 

[now faith]

Hello. Thank you for your post. There is a perception that WOF teachers talk a lot about health and healing, I have yet to hear a WOF sermon about stopping abortion. They probably exist, I haven't heard one. I guess the way to stop abortion would have been to vote for Trump? God Bless

I have not heard any religions with a plan to stop abortion.
We had a President, who had close to 80% of white evangelical voters.
He nominated three conservative Supreme Court Judges during his four years.
He was outspoken on the subject of abortion, along with His vice President.
Kenneth Copeland had a round the clock broadcast during the election.
Many Church leaders have condemned abortion including Word of Faith Ministers.
Still 20% of white evangelical voters went the other way, along with Black protestants.
Catholics sided against abortion by 8%
A Cathloic Nun said that never before have we had such a pro like President, She also said never before have we had such a pro choice ticket for the Democrats.
I guess the future Children lives don't matter as much to the religous groups.

 

[lismore]

I guess the future Children lives don't matter as much to the religous groups.

I agree with you on that now faith. However there have been prophecies given that Trump will still be president.....perhaps it's not over yet and is time to intercede. God Bless You

 

[now faith]

The one that Stands out to me the most is black protestant
Blacks have a overwhelming majority of abortion in the United States
I guess BLM has not been informed, or they are just another Democrat pawn.

 

[now faith]

I agree with you on that now faith. However there have been prophecies given that Trump will still be president.....perhaps it's not over yet and is time to intercede. God Bless You

God Bless you too my friend.

 

[hhodgson]

I agree with you on that now faith. However there have been prophecies given that Trump will still be president.....perhaps it's not over yet and is time to intercede. God Bless You

Hang in there guys, It's only been ten days since the election. It will be eleven days in ten minutes on Ohio time. Remember the Bush/Gore election when Al Gore held up the election and used 37 days if I got it right. It ain't over till the fat lady sings. She started to sing on election night but got caught up in a tornado...

 

[now faith]

Hang in there guys, It's only been ten days since the election. It will be eleven days in ten minutes on Ohio time. Remember the Bush/Gore election when Al Gore held up the election and used 37 days if I got it right. It ain't over till the fat lady sings. She started to sing on election night but got caught up in a tornado...
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Well its been a while since I checked in here, and a lot has indeed happened.

To sum it all up, and there are many things to sum up.
The evidence is overwhelming that the election has had a great deal of misconduct.
Voter fraud is a very serious offense.
Thus far a Democrat election supervisor has been arrested.
She had won a award for her work from the Democratic party in 2018.
I never knew a partisan award could be given to someone who is sworn to be bipartisan.
Maybe thats why She's in hot water?
The evidence of fraud has been caught on tape, caught by eyewitnesses, and their are imbalances in ballots verses ballots counted.
Each state involved have common methods they were caught at.
The Voter machines are a sham Computer experts found very easy ways to change the votes, as well they were provided in a joint venture between two foreign countries that have the same offshore address.
China has been caught paying these providers large sums of money.

So the Big question is.. will moderate Democrats do the right thing ?
Will our Justice system do the right thing?
Will the US Justice Department file charges against congressional leaders that make threats of violence against Trump supporters?
Will over a hundred million voters be disenfranchised, or will they
respond with a vengence of war like this Nation has never seen before.

People who are punished with a loss of Jobs, lock downs, violations of their civil rights, and then being threatened may decide enough is enough.
I believe a major reform in Government is coming.
If it is the left that holds power, we will endure a great change of our way of life.
There will be a broad gap with a two class system.
The ruling Class and the peasants, we see this playing out in the States still under lock down.
Or like other Countries there will be massive rebellion.
Look for yourself at the lock down riots in other Countries.
Our rebellion would be swift and extremely violent.
I pray this does not go either way.
May God Bless and keep our Nation from the evil that is at our door.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

My current count of God healing me of the virus is in double digits.

Since we can probably agree God is not deliberately infecting anyone getting infected from Covid double digit times especially considering you are getting antibodies against the virus each time - seems a medical impossibility.

Do you feel you have explanation for this ?

 

[mmksparbud]

Well its been a while since I checked in here, and a lot has indeed happened.

To sum it all up, and there are many things to sum up.
The evidence is overwhelming that the election has had a great deal of misconduct.
Voter fraud is a very serious offense.
Thus far a Democrat election supervisor has been arrested.
She had won a award for her work from the Democratic party in 2018.
I never knew a partisan award could be given to someone who is sworn to be bipartisan.
Maybe thats why She's in hot water?
The evidence of fraud has been caught on tape, caught by eyewitnesses, and their are imbalances in ballots verses ballots counted.
Each state involved have common methods they were caught at.
The Voter machines are a sham Computer experts found very easy ways to change the votes, as well they were provided in a joint venture between two foreign countries that have the same offshore address.
China has been caught paying these providers large sums of money.

So the Big question is.. will moderate Democrats do the right thing ?
Will our Justice system do the right thing?
Will the US Justice Department file charges against congressional leaders that make threats of violence against Trump supporters?
Will over a hundred million voters be disenfranchised, or will they
respond with a vengence of war like this Nation has never seen before.

People who are punished with a loss of Jobs, lock downs, violations of their civil rights, and then being threatened may decide enough is enough.
I believe a major reform in Government is coming.
If it is the left that holds power, we will endure a great change of our way of life.
There will be a broad gap with a two class system.
The ruling Class and the peasants, we see this playing out in the States still under lock down.
Or like other Countries there will be massive rebellion.
Look for yourself at the lock down riots in other Countries.
Our rebellion would be swift and extremely violent.
I pray this does not go either way.
May God Bless and keep our Nation from the evil that is at our door.

Then why has no one been able to prove this in court?? Fraud is a serious offense. But claims of fraud where there is none is even worse. And there is such a thing as presumptuous sins.

Psa 19:13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.

 

[hhodgson]

Then why has no one been able to prove this in court?? Fraud is a serious offense. But claims of fraud where there is none is even worse. And there is such a thing as presumptuous sins.

Hi mmksparbud... Welcome to our forum. I have to ask, "how long have you been following these alleged fraud allegations in our election?" There are several reasons why it's so hard to prove especially since almost all of the legislators from each of the swing states are run by imbedded hard core liberals. It is also (now) noticed that some (very few) of the swing states involved do have a few republican legislators... that are considered "rhinos" meaning that they are only "republicans in name only" and are also deeply tied to the deep state politicians and the rich elite that are out to destroy our nation with there socialist ideas.

If... we are indeed truly born-again Christians... then we need to really look at the liberal agenda of these deep state elite socialists that are propagating their satanic views for our nation. I will say this that Donald J. Trump can be a little idiotic (at times) and become his own worse enemy... and by saying that... many of us believe that God has anointed him for "such a time as this" (Esther 4:14)... to protect and restore our nation that was built by founders that dared to believe in God, and that God formed our nation to be a light in the world to share the gospel of Jesus Christ to every living human on our planet especially during this tumultuous time as we're witnessing the final end times before Christ returns.

I received a paper Trump sign in the mail that says this, "In Reality Democrat's Aren't After Me, They're After You... I'm Just In The Way."

Like me, Donald J. Trump is far, far, from perfect but thank you Lord for blessing us with him and his family... "for such a time as this."

Be Blessed to be a blessing...