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I quoted back part of the same verse that you quoted to me! I copied some of it right off your own post.
Genesis 2
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.
Very well, sorry for the confusion. Here is Young's Literal Translation for the same verse.
19 And Jehovah God formeth from the ground every beast of the field, and every fowl of the heavens, and bringeth in unto the man, to see what he doth call it; and whatever the man calleth a living creature, that [is] its name.
Genesis 2:19 YLT
In the YLT we see that "God formeth" the beasts and birds. It is in the present tense in a literal translation. The "had" indicating past tense in other translations is an intrusion by the translators.
I don't think anyone is disputing that. Or saying God wiped out the creation of the 7th days. There are some, as I believe as well, that God created men and women on the 6th day and that he rested and then he formed Adam (specific man Adam, not mankind as he did on the 6th) and Eve and it was through their specific bloodline that Christ would come from. And that is why she is called the mother of all "living".Animals were made before Adam.
probably by another author with a different perspective.
The manuscripts didn't have chapters, so I highly doubt there was a second author of this letter. Which also lends imo that Gen 2 is adding after the account of Gen 1, not wiping it out. Because why would there be the same creation account given and then immediately another one given that has contradictions to the first?
I don't think anyone is disputing that. Or saying God wiped out the creation of the 7th days.
There are some, as I believe as well, that God created men and women on the 6th day and that he rested and then he formed Adam (specific man Adam, not mankind as he did on the 6th) and Eve and it was through their specific bloodline that Christ would come from. And that is why she is called the mother of all "living".
You can't get around the fact that sea life and certain wild animals were created before men and women. And the fact that God created certain animals after the Adam of the garden. These are different types of animals.
Plus, it makes no sense that later on Cain went to the land of Nod (lands were usually named after the people that founded them back then) and was able to find a wife
unless people were already on the earth at that time. He left the presence of the Lord so I doubt he was allowed to stick around marry a sister years later. That's not biblical. Although I realize that's what many believe that and still will. But if one lets the word read as it should (taking it back to the Hebrew) it all makes sense and there are no contradictions.
The manuscripts didn't have chapters, so I highly doubt there was a second author of this letter. Which also lends imo that Gen 2 is adding after the account of Gen 1, not wiping it out. Because why would there be the same creation account given and then immediately another one given that has contradictions to the first?
In the first creation story, Genesis 1, plants are created on the third day.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
Genesis 1:11-13 NIV
Still in the first creation story, God creates fish, sea creatures and birds on the fifth day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
Genesis 1: 20-23 NIV
Then God creates land animals and an undetermined number of people on the sixth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.”
And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Genesis 1: 24-28 NIV
The second creation account starts in Genesis 2:4.
4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
Genesis 2:4 NIV
We are specifically told that there is "no shrub" and "no plant" when Adam, the first man, is created.
5 Now no shrub had yet appeared on the earth and no plant had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no one to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground. 7 Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Genesis 2:5-7 NIV
The second creation story gives the impression that plants are made to make Adam comfortable. The tenses here are confusing and I'll say more about that later.
8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Genesis 2:8-9 NIV
In the first creation story, birds (and fish) are created before land animals while in the second creation story, land animals and birds are created at the same time. In the first story, plants and animals are created before people while in the second, Adam is created before plants and animals. Again, the creation of animals is related to Adam's comfort, since the text distinguishes between "livestock" and "wild animals." The creation of land animals and birds is closely connected with their presentation to Adam.
19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.
Genesis 2:19-20 NIV
God announces the intention to create Eve, to create the first woman, in verse 18. He does not actually do so until verses 21-23, after the creation and presentation of birds, livestock and wild animals.
18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
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21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
Genesis 2:18-25 NIV
In summary, in the first creation story, God creates plants, then animals, then people. In the second creation story, God first creates the man, Adam, then plants, then animals, and then the woman, Eve. Each of these stories has its purpose but as literal story they can't be reconciled.
I have had people on here argue for that very thing, stating that dinosaurs and ape-men were from the first creation and then there was this gap of millions of years" so that they could tie in evolutionary science and then God supposedly created again, ontop of it.
I Genesis One we see "and God saw." God was creating and seeing the finished result. God had all the plants ready to sprout, but God saw the end result as he made them ready. "God saw" ... God saw."
In Genesis Two... Now we can see what it is.
Genesis One. God created *bara* out from nothing many things. "Bara!"
In Genesis Two, God had finished creating out from nothing. There was no more creating by God in that manner! Look here....
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating *bara* that he had done.
When we start Genesis Two it begins by telling us that God rested from all the *bara* He had done in Genesis One! No more "creating out from nothing!" God does no more creating "bara" in Genesis Two. Instead he took what he had created in Genesis One (earth) and from it He "molded and formed" (jatsar) a body for the human soul He had created (bara) in Genesis 1:27!
"So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them."
Created = *bara.* "Created out from nothing!"
That was the invisible human soul that God in His ability could see! The souls were created 'out from nothing!' No body was yet provided for that soul until we see Genesis Two.
In Genesis Two? It says that no more creating anything out from nothing! God rested from creating that way.
Genesis Two was God's next phase for what He had already created in Genesis One.
Hope that helps. Without understanding the Hebrew meanings? The English translations can get crazy confusing and leave us in the dark.
grace and peace
I Genesis One we see "and God saw." God was creating and seeing the finished result. God had all the plants ready to sprout, but God saw the end result as he made them ready. "God saw" ... God saw."
In Genesis Two... Now we can see what it is.
Genesis One. God created *bara* out from nothing many things. "Bara!"
In Genesis Two, God had finished creating out from nothing. There was no more creating by God in that manner! Look here....
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating *bara* that he had done.
When we start Genesis Two it begins by telling us that God rested from all the *bara* He had done in Genesis One! No more "creating out from nothing!" God does no more creating "bara" in Genesis Two. Instead he took what he had created in Genesis One (earth) and from it He "molded and formed" (jatsar) a body for the human soul He had created (bara) in Genesis 1:27!
"So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them."
Created = *bara.* "Created out from nothing!"
That was the invisible human soul that God in His ability could see! The souls were created 'out from nothing!' No body was yet provided for that soul until we see Genesis Two.
In Genesis Two? It says that no more creating anything out from nothing! God rested from creating that way.
Genesis Two was God's next phase for what He had already created in Genesis One.
Hope that helps. Without understanding the Hebrew meanings? The English translations can get crazy confusing and leave us in the dark.
grace and peace
Genez,
Hello, since I don't remember talking to you before.
Genez: "The souls were created 'out from nothing!' No body was yet provided for that soul until we see Genesis Two."
This is a far-fetched interpretation. The obvious meaning of the text is that when God created men and women, He created them both body and soul. The text doesn't make the body/soul distinction that you are making.
Genez: "Genesis One. God created *bara* out from nothing many things. "Bara!"
In Genesis Two, God had finished creating out from nothing. There was no more creating by God in that manner!"
This doesn't work out either. Take a look at the passage where God creates the sky.
So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.
God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
Genesis 1:7-8 NIV
The Hebrew word for "made" here is " 'asah " (not bara).
What would we have if God did not breath into the nostrils of the body in Genesis 2.
Or, just sound like one?Then we would just all be mouth breathers.
Actually I was just posting a humorous reply.Or, just sound like one?
The Lord breathed soul life into Adam's body.
The soul of man was created in the image of God. The body is our biological "machine" God provided to navigate the created material world with.
I was hoping it was.Actually I was just posting a humorous reply.
And as I said, it was intended to be humorous. I thought that was obvious. If you want a serious reply you will have to get it from someone else.I was hoping it was.
I was also hoping for a true answer.
If the Lord did not breath the soul (a soul that was created "out from nothing" (in Genesis 1:27), we would not have a man. We would only have a lifeless body for a man's soul.
The point was, there were not two different creation accounts. It's all about how this creation came into being in stages.
Sad part .. I have seen some using the two creations of man theory for proclaiming white supremacy. So, its not to be taken lightly.
Genesis 1:27 also reveals that God created male and female souls. So, in the resurrection we will still have male and females, but no more sexual reproduction.
And as I said, it was intended to be humorous. I thought that was obvious. If you want a serious reply you will have to get it from someone else.
As I also said, I regard the two differing creation accounts as allegories.
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