Theological faux pas

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Name them. Here's one..My whole life I was told that the Holy Spirit came and went with the saints of the OT.
Meaning that God would come upon them to use them in any specific circumstance and then when He was done, move on,never abiding inside them. Well according to 1 Peter 1:11 that little theory is blown out of the water when Peter said, " trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ IN THEM was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow."

And yes, I've looked those up in the Greek and the meaning definitely refers to "inside".

 

[public hermit]

For awhile I thought the immaculate conception referred to the birth of Christ.

 

[hedrick]

Paul's letters, and John's Gospel are also big on the Holy Spirit being with us. However there may still be special activities of the Spirit, and that may be what the people you're talking about referred to.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Jeremiah prophesied that the indwelling presence would come with the new covenant.

It takes more than one verse to 'prove' a point...

 

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Jeremiah prophesied that the indwelling presence would come with the new covenant.

It takes more than one verse to 'prove' a point...

That's true. But all I need is one more. (everything is established by the mouth of two or three witnesses)

 

[Carl Emerson]

Jesus breathed on them and said receive the holy spirit - didn't they already have this inside as believing Jews if your claim is correct?

 

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

Jesus breathed on them and said receive the holy spirit - didn't they already have this inside as believing Jews if your claim is correct?

I was referring to prophets and other men of God from the OT that clearly had God working with them. But I'll wait on God for this. I may or may not find a corresponding verse to the one I posted. If I don't then I'll stay silent on it. Thanks for sharing!

 

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

For sure, this is a hard one. I admit, there appears to be more times where the Holy Spirit was said to have come upon people rather than being inside them. And to that I agree. But 2 Samuel 23:2 records an interesting statement concerning David when it says, "The Spirit of the Lord spoke through me; his word was on my tongue."

Now how can the Holy Spirit speak thru someone if He's not first inside them. Hmm. I'll keep studying. But I wanted to put that out there anyway

 

[com7fy8]

I'll keep studying.

Well, I think you are doing great, by being willing to evaluate . . . versus holding on to something while you try to prove it is true. So, thank you for being a good example.

I admit, there appears to be more times where the Holy Spirit was said to have come upon people rather than being inside them.

Well, the Holy Spirit, I consider, can be in a person while upon the person. The in is in the heart, the upon is for ministering to others. But if this theory is correct, this still does not prove that the Holy Spirit abided in anyone, before Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to the disciples on Pentecost.

One thing I think of is the Body of Christ was known to be Christ's church after Jesus ascended to Heaven. So, even if the Holy Spirit was in anyone before Jesus came, I would say there was no known Body of Jesus, before Christ.

So, I'm open about that. After all, there were people who walked with God. So, God would spiritually live in those people, somehow, to get them to walk with Him, I would think. So, He was either the Father in them or the Holy Spirit in them, I would say.

And Hebrews 11 clearly says there were people who had faith, back then. And they are our examples of faith; so they were spiritually blessed by God to have such faith which is still our example. So, someone had to be in them to keep them living in faith, I would say.

 

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

^That's all I'm pretty much saying too.
I don't mean to discount the importance of the NT and Pentecost. But there must have been more intimacy involving Him and men than what I've been led to believe. The Holy Spirit isn't a static Being just floating in the air. And the thought that He came and went with OT saints doesn't make sense.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Jesus breathed on them and said receive the holy spirit - didn't they already have this inside as believing Jews if your claim is correct?

Context. The giving of the Spirit to the Apostles in John 20 is what gave the Apostles the authority to pronounce sins as forgiven; that is it is part of the pastoral exercising of the office of the Keys.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Carl Emerson]

Context. The giving of the Spirit to the Apostles in John 20 is what gave the Apostles the authority to pronounce sins as forgiven; that is it is part of the pastoral exercising of the office of the Keys.

-CryptoLutheran

Yes... that and the indwelling presence.

 

[Carl Emerson]

For sure, this is a hard one. I admit, there appears to be more times where the Holy Spirit was said to have come upon people rather than being inside them. And to that I agree. But 2 Samuel 23:2 records an interesting statement concerning David when it says, "The Spirit of the Lord spoke through me; his word was on my tongue."

Now how can the Holy Spirit speak thru someone if He's not first inside them. Hmm. I'll keep studying. But I wanted to put that out there anyway

His word was also on the tongue of the donkey who spoke...

 

[Strong in Him]

That's true. But all I need is one more. (everything is established by the mouth of two or three witnesses)

But not everything is established by taking verses out of context in order to build a doctrine.

The Holy Spirit may well have lived in believers, for a time, in the OT - but he was not poured out on all believers until Pentecost. Saul and David had the Holy Spirit, 1 Samuel 10:10, 1 Samuel 16:13, Psalms 51:11
The OT prophets spoke by the Spirit of God. They prophesied that God would one day put his Spirit in people, Ezekiel 37:14.

 

[Carl Emerson]

And Jeremiah 32:40...

 

[Carl Emerson]

Poured out upon is not the same as living within...

 

[prodromos]

Name them. Here's one..My whole life I was told that the Holy Spirit came and went with the saints of the OT.
Meaning that God would come upon them to use them in any specific circumstance and then when He was done, move on,never abiding inside them. Well according to 1 Peter 1:11 that little theory is blown out of the water when Peter said, " trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ IN THEM was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow."

And yes, I've looked those up in the Greek and the meaning definitely refers to "inside".

2 Kings 13:21

 

[( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)]

“When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.”—Luke 1:41

This is also an instance where someone (before Pentecost) was said to be filled with the Holy Spirit too. Danke Lord for giving me my two.