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Featured The World Needs Women Priests

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by Love365, Jul 23, 2020.

  1. Sammy-San

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    Christian women shouldnt write things that are authorative. Youth groups function as a disclaimer similar to a supplement person can say people report to us good results.
     
  2. All4Christ

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    So this is a classic example of where positions on women’s ministry / ordination varies even across the groups that do not believe in women ordination to the priesthood and often the diaconate (or different version of the diaconate). While our church does not ordain women, I definitely do not agree with @Sammy-San ’s position. I think most of the traditional /a older / ancient churches who do not ordain women would not agree with that reasoning either.
     
  3. Hmmm!

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    I agree. No-one uses the word actress anymore for example. We're all actors now, quite properly!
     
  4. Hmmm!

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    Should men write things that make no coherent sense whatsoever as wirh your second sentence?
     
  5. Archivist

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    But the Bible specifically identifies Phoebe as a Deacon.

    Perhaps the Anglican Communion is the only body in the Catholic Communion whose gotten it right thus far.
     
  6. pescador

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    Saying "Christian women shouldnt [sic] write things that are authorative [sic]" is nonsense (as well as careless English). Christian women can and should write and/or speak whatever they are led to do by the Holy Spirit, the same Spirit that is given to all regardless of their gender.

    There is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus! The Bible says that, I believe it (and so should you and everyone else), and that settles it.
     
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  7. Strong in Him

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    In your opinion.
    I assume you refuse to sing hymns, books and poems written by women then? Shouldn't you also stop reading posts on this forum written by women?
    There has never been any problem over the centuries with women writing things - Julian of Norwich, Teresa of Avila, Hilda of Whitby (who trained bishops).
    Some people think that Priscilla wrote the book of Hebrews.
     
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  8. Strong in Him

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    The Catholic church doesn't ordain women, but googling "female saints" led me to a Catholic website which listed hundreds of them. Many of those seemed to have been authors.
     
  9. Hmmm!

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    No, I wouldn't want to see that. It's a good question, what makes this issue different. I think it's two-fold. Firstly and most importantly, opinion seems to be divided on all levels: clergy, scholars and laity. Secondly, sexual discrimination is now illegal in many countries and is taken for granted as something that's naturally fair. So people who don't go to church can't understand why it's such an issue in the church and it is, I believe, a big stumbling block for them. I'm not saying, and don't believe, that the church should always follow secular society but on an issue like this, where church opinion is so divided with no end in sight of an agreement and where the principle at stake, equality, is self-evidently a good one, as with slavery and I do equate the two on many levels, I would welcome anything that will make the church fairer and more relevant to most people.
     
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  10. Albion

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    Well, there are plenty of other doctrines about which the same thing could be said, you know.

    So....the church should adjust its beliefs to agree with what the world, secular society, likes at this particular moment? And worse, do it mainly in order to assist with recruiting?

    There are, lest there is any doubt of it, many denominations that fit the description you just laid before us, so for people who are not particularly concerned about Scripture or Tradition or any of that stuff, there should be no problem.

    But then...

    they are not necessarily content with belonging to a church that fits their beliefs. It's not uncommon for some among them to then begin explaining how unjust it is that we do not conform our beliefs to theirs as well!
     
  11. Sammy-San

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    No women wrote the Bible because women tempted Adam to sin.
     
  12. Strong in Him

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    What's that got to do with it?

    Adam heard God's word for himself and knew perfectly well what God had forbidden him to do.
    Eve was created after Adam was given the command by God. She was tempted to eat the fruit - Adam deliberately disobeyed.
    Following your logic, we shouldn't read anything written by men either. Who wants to be taught by someone who knows what God wants, and deliberately disobeys?

    What would you do if you discovered that a woman HAD written a book of the Bible?
     
  13. Hmmm!

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    That's funny, worthy of a film! I look forward to the response. Should be even funnier.
     
  14. Hmmm!

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    Wow, who were these women?
     
  15. pescador

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    Your post makes no sense. So no women wrote the Bible; so what? No women crucified Christ!

    "No women wrote the Bible because women tempted Adam to sin" is totally meaningless!

    Eve offered Adam a bite of the fruit and => HE <= made the decision to eat it. Genesis 3:6, "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. He could have refused but he didn't so he voluntarily ate the fruit. It's time to stop blaming Eve for Adam's decision! It's ridiculous to call that temptation!

    Let's look at this carefully: Eve thought "the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom". There is no evil there; she made a mistake. When Adam was offered the fruit he could have refused but he didn't; he made the same mistake as Eve of his own volition!

    It's Western sexist nonsense to try to spin this story differently than what Scripture says.
     
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    While I disagree with the premise, I'd also argue that blogs aren't really "authoritative."

    Actually, we have bits of Scripture we know to have come from women. The parts of Proverbs that king Lemuel's mother taught him, for example.

    All humans have sinned, yet in spite of that, God inspired some to write Scripture. There's no particular reason why those people should only have been men.
     
  17. Hmmm!

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    I am concerned about Scripture, but not so much concerned about tradition and not concerned at all if it's spelt with a capital "T". But I'm saying that scripture isn't clear on this issue so what's the way forward if not a vote on the issue every generation (or until women's ordination is voted for - once that happens it can't be undone because it obviously wouldn't be right to remove existing women priests).
     
  18. Albion

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    Actually, it couldn't be much clearer. We could run through all that evidence once more, but in these debates--as with those that have taken place in church conventions--it never makes any difference.
     
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  19. Strong in Him

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    That's because it isn't clear.
    And that what God IS doing today - and has been for a while - is calling women to ordination.

    Unless you are seriously suggesting that all those who testify to this are disobedient/deluded, and all the men who have recognised the call, and trained and ordained the women are gullible or too ignorant to read the "clear" teaching in Scripture.
     
  20. Strong in Him

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    Paul was perfectly capable of writing the words "this is a command from God and is for all time; omen must never be leaders, ever", and repeating it in all his letters. Jesus could easily have taught this. THAT would be clear teaching. Yet neither of them said this.
     
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