The Word-Which Word?

[newton3005]

John 1:1 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” What is the Word that John refers to? After reading the first three Gospels, some may be confused as to which Word John refers to. Some may be confused in the sense that, as Jesus asked John to baptize him, some may believe that the Word is what Jesus espouses, in the sense that John in 1:1 may be implying us to behold Jesus as he beheld him, hence the Word is that which came from Jesus and is manifested in his teachings and proclamations.

Perhaps the clause “In the beginning” is what creates the confusion, since it is also the first three words in the Bible, found in Genesis and is followed by what God created. Some who are led to believe that “in the beginning” means in the beginning for John, refers to the first time John the Baptist lays eyes on Jesus. When John, who is generally considered to be a prophet is asked by Jesus to baptize him, John, who as a prophet knew of Jesus’ spiritual coming, says to Jesus in Matthew 3:14, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” Jesus’ answer in Matthew 3:15 is, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.”

But regardless of what “beginning” is referred to by John 1:1, there is no doubt among Jesus’ disciples and those that follow that the Word espoused by Jesus has a tie-in to the Word of God which comes in word form from Genesis 1:1 and continues thereafter. There is also a strong belief that the essence of God’s Word existed with God, long before it was put into words. And when it says in John 3:16 that God sent his only son that the world may be saved, God has Jesus say the words that God Himself would say if He personally appears on earth.

And to the extent that Lord Jesus’ relation to God is expressed and implied in the Bible, the Word that Lord Jesus espouses is God’s Word for all intents and purposes. This may get an assist from the force of logic in the Greek translation of the New Testament. There, “word” is derived from the Greek word logos. Seems that logos and logic are related, with the inference being that it takes putting logic into words to explain a particular logic. I mean, try explaining the logic of something through sign language! So, it is logical to presume, to the extent we can reason as allowed under Isaiah 1:18, that as Christ and God exist together, Christ’s Word is God’s word.

It is said that the body of Christ exists in us. Does it exist in us in spirit, or in his words, or both? And if the body of Christ exists in us in spirit which emanates from God, is it the spirit referred to by Ecclesiastes 12:7 which says that the spirit returns to God who gave it? If so, while the spirit is in us, we have the opportunity to abide by it toward everlasting life. Others may not be aware of the spirit within them, and they may spend at least most of their lives not realizing the power of the spirit they have within themselves.

As God and Jesus are one, God, His Word, Jesus and the Spirit are one as well.

 

[Clare73]

John 1:1 says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” What is the Word that John refers to?

Actually, it's not about words at all. John was writing to Greeks.

Logos in Greek philosophy was the First Cause, the great Intelligence and Reason behind the Universe.
John opens his gospel with the staggering claim that the recently despised and crucified man, Jesus of Nazareth, is the eternal Logos--source of all wisdom and power, who became flesh in order to reveal God to us.

Jesus is called "Word" nowhere else in the NT.

 

[Wayne Gabler]

The voice of God in Ge:1 was God speaking and then the Holy Spirit making the words come real. The verse below is when God gave Jesus permission to add to the existing prophecies in a way that would all His voice to be acted on by the Holy Spirit, when it is only the voice of God that is usually obeyed:
M't:17:5:
While he yet spake,
behold,
a bright cloud overshadowed them:
and behold a voice out of the cloud,
which said,
This is my beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased;
hear ye him.
1Co:15:27:
For he hath put all things under his feet.
But when he saith all things are put under him,
it is manifest that he is excepted,
which did put all things under him.

 

[Love Fountain]

Greetings to All,

LOGOS / WORD is an idiom for Yeshua / Jesus in John 1!

"Definition of IDIOM for Kids
: an expression that cannot be understood from the meanings of its separate words but must be learned as a whole"

Definition of IDIOM

An Idiom “must be learned as a whole” not by individual words!


“An idiom is an expression, a term, or a phrase, whose meaning cannot be deduced from the literal definitions and the arrangement of its parts, but refers instead to a figurative meaning that is known only through the conventional use of a specific language.”


"Idioma; or idiom

“The fact must ever be remembered that, while the language of the New Testament is Greek, the agents and instruments employed by the Holy Spirit were Hebrews.

While therefore, the words are Greek, the thoughts and idioms are Hebrew.


"Word" (λόγος, logos) in the New Testament follows the Hebrew idiom; and signifies not merely a word, but speech, which is the outcome of words. Hence, it is used of any matter, thing, or affair of any kind.


Luke 1:2 -"Were eye witnesses and ministers of the Word": i.e., the Living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

Idioma; or Idiom - Bullinger's Figures of Speech Used in the Bible - StudyLight.org


Blessings,
Love Fountain

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God

 

[Clare73]

Greetings to All,
LOGOS / WORD is an idiom for Yeshua / Jesus in John 1!
"Definition of IDIOM for Kids
: an expression that cannot be understood from the meanings of its separate words but must be learned as a whole"
Definition of IDIOM

An Idiom “must be learned as a whole” not by individual words!

“An idiom is an expression, a term, or a phrase, whose meaning cannot be deduced from the literal definitions and the arrangement of its parts, but refers instead to a figurative meaning that is known only through the conventional use of a specific language.”


"Idioma; or idiom

“The fact must ever be remembered that, while the language of the New Testament is Greek, the agents and instruments employed by the Holy Spirit were Hebrews.

While therefore, the words are Greek, the thoughts and idioms are Hebrew.


"Word" (λόγος, logos) in the New Testament follows the Hebrew idiom; and signifies not merely a word, but speech, which is the outcome of words. Hence, it is used of any matter, thing, or affair of any kind.

Luke 1:2 -"Were eye witnesses and ministers of the Word": i.e., the Living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

The text is "the word."
The remainder is not in the text.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and
his name is called The Word of God

That is likewise written by the apostle John.
He is called Word by no one else in the NT.

 

[Love Fountain]

Luke 1:2 -"Were eye witnesses and ministers of the Word": i.e., the Living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ.”

The text is "the word."

The remainder is not in the text.

Hello,


By the figure of speech known as [Ellipsis aka Omission], the sense of the text is established as follows:


“Were eye witnesses [of the Word] and ministers of the Word”, this is the sense that is obvious and it would be redundant to have “of the Word” twice in Luke 1:2


Ellipsis / Omission is one of the most basic figures of speech used by God in His word.


Now the questions are who did they eyewitness(“see with one’s own eye, a medical term Greek word autoptes meaning autopsy, a detailed examination”), who did they examine in detail and who are they ministers of and for?



Very simple, “the Living Word, the Lord Jesus Christ”



If “in [the] beginning”, the presentation of the Hebrew idiom for Jesus, in a Greek word “logos”, a Hebraism, spoken and written through Hebrew people in Greek, the logos/the Word/Jesus/Yeshua is not understood from [the] beginning, “and God said…”, the spoken Word and the revealed meaning…then of course it would be all “Greek” in that mind of mankind and the mistake of using Greek philosophy of men instead of the Hebrew idiom as the one and the same word of God which is spoken, written, and Living, whom are all God, that Living, written and spoken word of God, which is given to the whole world for whosoever will, by the Holy Spirit through his people, just might be wrongly applied to John 1 being solely for the Greeks only which would be a grave error indeed!


The word of God is revealed in the biblical text as the Living Word, the written word and the spoken word, Jesus/Yeshua (YHVH [the] Saviour) is the Living Word of God and He is written of throughout the whole Bible!



The Living Word and the written word, one and the same, the word of God!



“"His name is called THE WORD OF GOD," Rev 19:13

They "pressed upon Him to hear THE WORD OF GOD," Luke 5:1


The Prince of PEACE, Isa 9:6

The Gospel of PEACE, Rom 10:15


Jesus said, "I am the LIGHT of the World," John 8:12

David said, "Thy Word is a LIGHT unto my path," Psa 119:105


"Christ, the POWER OF GOD," 1 Cor 1:24

"The Gospel is the POWER OF GOD," Rom 1:16



Christ, "A STUMBLING Stone," Rom 9:33

They "STUMBLE at the Word," 1 Peter 2:8”

– How to Enjoy the Bible



Blessings,

Love Fountain