The Woman in the Wilderness - Revelation 12

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Revelation 12:6
  • "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
The woman represents the congregation of Israel, started with Old Testament Israel and end with the New Testament Israel. The 1260 days the woman is fed in the wilderness is symbolically and is pointing us to the skia or shadow how the Old Testament nation of Israel had to survive in the wilderness nourished of God before they entered the promised land. So the New Testament Church has to follow that exact same path. After this woman (the congregation of Israel) was persecuted by Satan and brought forth Christ who was caught up to the throne to reign, she fled from the Judaizers into the wilderness (wasteland, Desert or desolate Place), which is a portrait of the barrenness of the Nations/Gentiles. This because they don't know God, and not part of the commonwealth of Israel, and are a people without spiritual bread and water. It is WHERE God had prepared a safe place for the congregation of Israel because it was His will that the wilderness or desert bring forth abundantly, just as Israel once did. God had made a place in this wilderness or desert that would be fruitful for the woman.

John 6:31
  • "Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat."
That word translated "desert" means a barren place without water or food. In other word, the world was once without Gospel. And God had to miraculously feed His children bread from heaven and Water from a rock, signifying Salvation. As I said, all God's miracles are signs signifying some Spiritual truth. This word translated "desert" is the exact same word translated "wilderness" in Revelation chapter 12. It signifies a barren place void of the bread and water of Christ, which the Gentiles/Nations were.

Revelation 12:14

  • "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."
Again, not a literal woman in literal heaven given literal wings, not Virgin Mary, and not Nation Israel, but signifying the people of God representing the congregation of Israel and the are protected by God (Exodus 19:4; Isaiah 40:31) in this Desert place in the wilderness, and is there nourished of God. God prepared a place for her away from the face of the Serpent Satan (Satan was ast down and bound), which indicates God assured it was there the congregation of Israel could not be hurt, and receive power of God (Holy Spirit) to bring the elect Gentiles/Nations out of the darkness wherein Satan held them in strong delusion.

Revelation 20:3
  • "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
Satan was cast down and was bound, but not from literal heaven and not with literal chains, but with spiritual chains. Spiritually, Satan was restrained from deceiving the world so that Christ could spoil the people from the world through the Church. God is using this woman, the New Covenant Congregation of Israel, to reach the Nations/Gentiles in the wilderness (world) during this millennial period that they are not deceived, but instead made fellow heirs of the commonwealth of Israel.

Ephesians 2:11-12
  • "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
  • That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"
For example, it was for THIS reason that Satan had to bound FIRST in order for this millennial period reign (1000 years) of Christ to be established and went forth into the world, so that the elect of these Nations/Gentiles in the wilderness would be set free of their deceiving. The words translated Nations and Gentiles are the exact same word! God was not talking about political nations here!

The preparation of this place is synonymous with Christ giving power to the apostles that they couldn't be hurt by Serpents and Scorpions in the wilderness. In other words, during this period, Satan is bound from preventing the church from going forth as two witnesses evangelizing the nations that they are not deceived. Yet God warned that AFTER this millennial reign of the church in the wilderness, when all the Israel of God are sealed, Satan would be then loosed and the Nations will be deceived once again (Revelation 20:7-8) ushering in the great tribulation period for the woman for a short season prior to Second Coming.

That is basically what Revelation 12 is all about.

The OP is a prime illustration of the danger of reading the Bible as a newspaper of events in our future without asking what the imagery meant to John and the persecuted Christians under imperial Rome in John's day. In the 60s AD a prophetic oracle in the Jerusalem church commanded believers to flee to Pella near the wilderness in what is modern Jordan. There are various early Christian descriptions of this Flight to Pella. Pella is 1 of 10 cities of the Greek Decapolis, the region in which Jesus' mission was initially greeted with the greatest success. So the Jerusalem church went there because of the anticipated support of many converts there.

The pregnant Woman is Jesus' mother, either Mary or spiritual Israel, which gave birth to the Messiah. The early church recognized the Beast as Nero redivivus. Indeed, the letters of "emperor Nero" in Hebrew also represent numbers, which add up to 666.
When Nero was forced to flee to Asia Minor, he apparently committed suicide. But Roman historian record rumors that he would rise and try to regain his throne and the Christian belief that Satan would resurrect him from his mortal wounds is reflected in Revelation 13:1. Indeed, they were terrified by no less than 3 Nero impersonators who appeared from Asia Minor. "Babylon" was a standard circumlocution for Rome in early Judeo-Christian apocalyptic, not a reference to the latter-day Roman Catholic church nor some other endtime entity. Posters would profit by reading academic commentaries on the Book of Revelation which support these points.
 
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There are 2 principal errors being made here.
1. It's not what the scriptures say, and
2. It's not what the scriptures say.

#1. Isa 66, from which Rev 12 quotes, makes it clear that the travailing woman is Zion, aka Jerusalem: ".. for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children..."
#2. It's a sign in the heavens, not on the earth. The city of 12 stars, or angels, having 12 pearly gates. It's a early view of the heavenly Jerusalem.

*[[Rev 21:12]] KJV* And [it] had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
*[[Rev 21:21]] KJV* And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

*[[Mat 24:30]] KJV* And then shall appear the SIGN of the Son of man IN HEAVEN : and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
AND THEN SHE DISAPPEARS INTO THE WILDERNESS. When the heavens depart [roll up] like a scroll, and the stars of heaven cast to the ground.
*[[Rev 6:13]] KJV* And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
*[[Rev 6:14]] KJV* And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

*[[Rev 12:4]] KJV* And his tail drew the third part of the STARS OF HEAVEN, and did CAST them TO THE EARTH: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.


*[[Rev 12:9]] KJV* And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his ANGELS were CAST OUT with him.

The woman is not Israel, but the remnant of her seed are, as well as the rest of her children. "Shall I bring to the birth and shut the womb? ". It is the time for the birth of the nation. First comes the king, and the remnant [the 144,000], with the rest soon to follow. "Shall a nation be born in a day? " NO! This is where too many people make their mistake. The answer is not yes. The answer is no.
*[[Isa 66:11]] KJV* That ye may suck, and be satisfied with the breasts of her consolations; that ye may milk out, and be delighted with the abundance of her glory.

It will take 1260 days to bring forth the whole sum of her children... the children of Israel!

Da Puppers.
 
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The OP is a prime illustration of the danger of reading the Bible as a newspaper of events in our future without asking what the imagery meant to John...

Agreed as long as you compare Scripture with Scripture.

...and the persecuted Christians under imperial Rome in John's day. In the 60s AD a prophetic oracle in the Jerusalem church commanded believers to flee to Pella near the wilderness in what is modern Jordan. There are various early Christian descriptions of this Flight to Pella. Pella is 1 of 10 cities of the Greek Decapolis, the region in which Jesus' mission was initially greeted with the greatest success. So the Jerusalem church went there because of the anticipated support of many converts there.

The Olivet Discourse has nothing to do with Rome, Pella, or even physical city of Jerusalem.

The pregnant Woman is Jesus' mother, either Mary or spiritual Israel, which gave birth to the Messiah.

First, it seems that you were saying that the woman represented Mary, then the same woman who had fled were the "early Christians" and no longer Mary? That is inconsistent and contradictory.

We need to understand the woman is NOT about a particular person or a nation, but Covenant Israel of God, making up of all Elect from old and New Testament. She transcends time, only that her kingdom representation was taking from Old Testament Israel and gave to New Testament Israel, the Church at the Cross. The church did flee into the wilderness which is the WORLD where God has prepared her to preach Gospel to the lost for 1,260 symbolic days.

The early church recognized the Beast as Nero redivivus. Indeed, the letters of "emperor Nero" in Hebrew also represent numbers, which add up to 666. When Nero was forced to flee to Asia Minor, he apparently committed suicide. But Roman historian record rumors that he would rise and try to regain his throne and the Christian belief that Satan would resurrect him from his mortal wounds is reflected in Revelation 13:1. Indeed, they were terrified by no less than 3 Nero impersonators who appeared from Asia Minor. "Babylon" was a standard circumlocution for Rome in early Judeo-Christian apocalyptic, not a reference to the latter-day Roman Catholic church nor some other endtime entity. Posters would profit by reading academic commentaries on the Book of Revelation which support these points.

I know for the fact that the Bible does not support this. Sorry. Nothing to do with man's wild imaginations based on world history and assumptions.
 
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Funny - Trump has successfully done more for Christianity in the US and for the betterment of the country in 1 year than any president in the last 20 years - you really need a factual news source :)
Surely you do understand that it IS Almighty God who decides who becomes Presidents and kings .. don't you ? Gods Word tells us this ;)
 
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The pregnant Woman is Jesus' mother, either Mary or spiritual Israel, which gave birth to the Messiah. The early church recognized the Beast as Nero redivivus. Indeed, the letters of "emperor Nero" in Hebrew also represent numbers, which add up to 666.
Let's agree, if we can, that Nero was the sixth king of the seven kings, and was ruling when John received Revelation.

Nero, therefore, cannot be the beast because the beast was in the bottomless pit at the time, not living like Nero was.

I am going to label Revelation 17:8 as 17:8(a) and 17:8(b) for explanation purposes. (a) is referring to some person living before Nero's time, and had died. Being in the bottomless pit, the person is a spirit without his former body. Ancient to us.

17:8a The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:


(b) is referring to the end times person forthcoming, who will be mortally wounded and the world witnesses it, and will be amazed to see him recover.

17:8b and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

So the end times person (king 7) will be mortally wounded, come back to life, and possessed by the spirit of the ancient person now in the bottomless pit. When the end times person is possessed, he becomes king 8.

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There are two tracks for the end times person. First, Caesar King 7 of the Roman Empire, then becomes King of Israel (the Antichrist), and then becomes Caesar King 8 of the Roman Empire.

1. He becomes the leader of the EU, the little horn, 7th Julio Claudian king. Yes, related to Nero and the other Julio-Claudian Caesars. That's where he will fist appear on the world stage, as leader of the EU, the end times Roman Empire - which he can be tied to bible prophecy.

2. The person will have a Jewish mother, making him a Jew. Which that allows him to become the Anti-Christ, by being anointed the King of Israel, as the end times scenario unfolds.

3. Not long after becoming the King of Israel, he becomes convinced that he has achieved God-hood.
He goes into the temple, sits, claims to be God. That act essentially ends his time as the Antichrist, King of Israel, because the Jews will impeach him as their king.

4. God has the person killed for his act. And in disdain for the person, brings him back alive. At which time the spirit of the ancient person, currently in the bottomless pit, comes out and possesses him, titling the end times person the beast for that last 42 months of the seven years.


 
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The Olivet Discourse has nothing to do with Rome, Pella, or even physical city of Jerusalem.
Why then, does Jesus specifically refer to them in Judaea ?

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
 
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Funny - Trump has successfully done more for Christianity in the US and for the betterment of the country in 1 year than any president in the last 20 years - you really need a factual news source :)
Surely you do understand that it IS Almighty God who decides who becomes Presidents and kings .. don't you ? Gods Word tells us this ;)

Daniel 11:21 "He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty. He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue.

Thats funny.Word told me before Trump was elected that someone outside of the establishment would become president becsusr people were intrigued with him.WORD.
 
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Daniel 11:21 "He will be succeeded by a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty. He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue.

Thats funny.Word told me before Trump was elected that someone outside of the establishment would become president becsusr people were intrigued with him.WORD.
The notion that you use those scriptures to compare shows your need to learn real facts
There has not been a Pres that has been so attacked by the opposing party as much as they attack this Pres and yet he still accomplishes more than Obama did in his 8 years
what you don't understand is God is responding to the prayers of Christians in the US to heal their land as they repent and ask God for healing - you just don't know all the evil things that Obama and his cabinet did during his term and what they had planned on doing which has been halted - which is why the liberal left hates him so much as they want to kill babies for profit and bring in islamic rule of law
believe whatever you desire
 
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Revelation 12:6
  • "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."
The woman represents the congregation of Israel, started with Old Testament Israel and end with the New Testament Israel. The 1260 days the woman is fed in the wilderness is symbolically and is pointing us to the skia or shadow how the Old Testament nation of Israel had to survive in the wilderness nourished of God before they entered the promised land. So the New Testament Church has to follow that exact same path. After this woman (the congregation of Israel) was persecuted by Satan and brought forth Christ who was caught up to the throne to reign, she fled from the Judaizers into the wilderness (wasteland, Desert or desolate Place), which is a portrait of the barrenness of the Nations/Gentiles. This because they don't know God, and not part of the commonwealth of Israel, and are a people without spiritual bread and water. It is WHERE God had prepared a safe place for the congregation of Israel because it was His will that the wilderness or desert bring forth abundantly, just as Israel once did. God had made a place in this wilderness or desert that would be fruitful for the woman.

John 6:31
  • "Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat."
That word translated "desert" means a barren place without water or food. In other word, the world was once without Gospel. And God had to miraculously feed His children bread from heaven and Water from a rock, signifying Salvation. As I said, all God's miracles are signs signifying some Spiritual truth. This word translated "desert" is the exact same word translated "wilderness" in Revelation chapter 12. It signifies a barren place void of the bread and water of Christ, which the Gentiles/Nations were.

Revelation 12:14

  • "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."
Again, not a literal woman in literal heaven given literal wings, not Virgin Mary, and not Nation Israel, but signifying the people of God representing the congregation of Israel and the are protected by God (Exodus 19:4; Isaiah 40:31) in this Desert place in the wilderness, and is there nourished of God. God prepared a place for her away from the face of the Serpent Satan (Satan was ast down and bound), which indicates God assured it was there the congregation of Israel could not be hurt, and receive power of God (Holy Spirit) to bring the elect Gentiles/Nations out of the darkness wherein Satan held them in strong delusion.

Revelation 20:3
  • "And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
Satan was cast down and was bound, but not from literal heaven and not with literal chains, but with spiritual chains. Spiritually, Satan was restrained from deceiving the world so that Christ could spoil the people from the world through the Church. God is using this woman, the New Covenant Congregation of Israel, to reach the Nations/Gentiles in the wilderness (world) during this millennial period that they are not deceived, but instead made fellow heirs of the commonwealth of Israel.

Ephesians 2:11-12
  • "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
  • That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:"
For example, it was for THIS reason that Satan had to bound FIRST in order for this millennial period reign (1000 years) of Christ to be established and went forth into the world, so that the elect of these Nations/Gentiles in the wilderness would be set free of their deceiving. The words translated Nations and Gentiles are the exact same word! God was not talking about political nations here!

The preparation of this place is synonymous with Christ giving power to the apostles that they couldn't be hurt by Serpents and Scorpions in the wilderness. In other words, during this period, Satan is bound from preventing the church from going forth as two witnesses evangelizing the nations that they are not deceived. Yet God warned that AFTER this millennial reign of the church in the wilderness, when all the Israel of God are sealed, Satan would be then loosed and the Nations will be deceived once again (Revelation 20:7-8) ushering in the great tribulation period for the woman for a short season prior to Second Coming.

That is basically what Revelation 12 is all about.
interesting take on it it might make sense if perhaps 1260 days does not mean 1260 days. But if it is literal than your whole scenario is off. Daniel 9 breaks the 70 weeks prophecy into 7 and 62 weeks or 69 weeks from the order to rebuild Jerusalem and its walls until messiah the prince. The 70th week is announce as a prince who is too come shall confirm a covenant with the many for a week and in the middle of the week cause the daily sacrifice to cease. 7 years in the babylonian 30 day month calendar would be 7x12x30 = 2520 days. dived that by 2 to get the midpoint and wow 1260 days. This is evidence that perhaps it is literal days. Rev 11 speaking of the time of the two witnesses notes they are going to prophecy for forty two months and then restates it as 1260 days. This is the text explaining the text the days are literal.
Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood,[fn] saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

We are not done yet in Rev 13 the beast survive a mortal wound and then is given authority over the whole world it is at this time the mark of the beast and image of the beast is set up and a new persecution is unleashed and not he continues for 42 months. Daniel broke this 70th week into two halves and here is is again broken in half.
Oh there is more. Dan 12

“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.

Then I, Daniel, looked; and there stood two others, one on this riverbank and the other on that riverbank. 6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long shall the fulfillment of these wonders be?
7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

What is a time times and half a time? times 1 year times 2 years half a time 1/2 year again you get 42 months.

Dan 7 uses this same time frame

He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.

See how 42 months matches the time the beast has authority also to persecute as previously quoted.

Rev 12 uses the times times and half a time also linked with a specific period of persecution.

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

if the literal sense makes sense look for no other sense.
 
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Have you ever heard of a place called "NORTH AMERICA"?
Its a real place,I promice.
if you get an atlas and go straight North from Jerusalem you go right through Moscow. Gog Magog and all that Ezekiel 38 stuff. Almost all agree nation to the North is Russia.
 
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if you get an atlas and go straight North from Jerusalem you go right through Moscow. Gog Magog and all that Ezekiel 38 stuff. Almost all agree nation to the North is Russia.

I dont mind if God wants to invade israel,but Gog will have to wait till 1000 years after the first resurrection before he can.You do believe revelation of Jesus Christ dont you?
Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.
 
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I dont mind if God wants to invade israel,but Gog will have to wait till 1000 years after the first resurrection before he can.You do believe revelation of Jesus Christ dont you?
Revelation 20:8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Below you will find the first resurrection.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

If you were dead and then became alive, what would most people call it?

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The notion that you use those scriptures to compare shows your need to learn real facts
There has not been a Pres that has been so attacked by the opposing party as much as they attack this Pres and yet he still accomplishes more than Obama did in his 8 years
what you don't understand is God is responding to the prayers of Christians in the US to heal their land as they repent and ask God for healing - you just don't know all the evil things that Obama and his cabinet did during his term and what they had planned on doing which has been halted - which is why the liberal left hates him so much as they want to kill babies for profit and bring in islamic rule of law
believe whatever you desire

I didn't say Trump haunt done more than,Obama.He has.And he will do much more especially in Israel.
But I wouldn't put a halo on Trumps head just yet.I dont believe the Ole crotch grabber is good at all. I Believe he just knows how to make fools out of alot of people.
 
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Below you will find the first resurrection.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

If you were dead and then became alive, what would most people call it?

.

It says they were killed for their testimony of Christ .
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Try again.
 
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I didn't say Trump haunt done more than,Obama.He has.And he will do much more especially in Israel.
But I wouldn't put a halo on Trumps head just yet.I dont believe the Ole crotch grabber is good at all. I Believe he just knows how to make fools out of alot of people.
He don't have a halo .....and neither do you ;)
 
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if you get an atlas and go straight North from Jerusalem you go right through Moscow. Gog Magog and all that Ezekiel 38 stuff. Almost all agree nation to the North is Russia.
It has been long held that it would be Russia - but in more recent times it is being accepted that it will be Turkey - based on history -and things in most recent days
 
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Like Stephen, and like Paul, and like those now being murdered in the Middle East for our faith...

The first resurrection found in John chapter 5 is at John 5:24.
Paul was born again of the Spirit of God by going through John 5:24 on the road to Damascus.
When did it happen to you?

The second resurrection found in John chapter 5 is at John 5:27-30.

One is of the Spirit upon coming to faith in Christ, and the other is of the body, at Christ's Second Coming.
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Like Stephen, and like Paul, and like those now being murdered in the Middle East for our faith...

The first resurrection found in John chapter 5 is at John 5:24.
Paul was born again of the Spirit of God by going through John 5:24 on the road to Damascus.
When did it happen to you?

The second resurrection found in John chapter 5 is at John 5:27-30.

One is of the Spirit upon coming to faith in Christ, and the other is of the body, at Christ's Second Coming.
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Not Stephen and not Paul.
Read the verse.These people killed for witnessing Jesus.They do not worship the beast ir recieve his mark.They ate killed.Then they are resurrected from the dead and live.The rest of the dead are not resurrected for 1000 years after Gog invades Israel.
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Gog doesn't invade Israel till 1000 years after this first resurrection which has not taken place yet,nor has Gog invaded Israel.
 
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Like Stephen, and like Paul, and like those now being murdered in the Middle East for our faith...

The first resurrection found in John chapter 5 is at John 5:24.
Paul was born again of the Spirit of God by going through John 5:24 on the road to Damascus.
When did it happen to you?

The second resurrection found in John chapter 5 is at John 5:27-30.

One is of the Spirit upon coming to faith in Christ, and the other is of the body, at Christ's Second Coming.
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Paul spoke against those who say the resurrection has taken place.

2 Timothy 2:16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
2 Timothy 2:17 Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,
2 Timothy 2:18 who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
 
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