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The woman and the beast she rides - kinda funny!

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by HisdaughterJen, Feb 18, 2009.

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  1. HisdaughterJen

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    Isaiah 47 identifies the woman as Rome:

    Isa 47:5"Sit in silence, go into darkness, Daughter of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms.
    Isa 47:6I was angry with my people and desecrated my inheritance; I gave them into your hand, and you showed them no mercy. Even on the aged you laid a very heavy yoke.



    Rev 17:3Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.



    If the agenda of those calling for a global government or New World Order (system of the beast) is:

    (1) Dramatically reducing the population of the world.
    (2) Promoting environmentalism.
    (3) Establishing a world government.
    (4) Promoting a new spirituality.

    Do you really think that the highly influential Catholic Church is going to be OK with that?



    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/02/pope-rebukes-pelosi-tells-her-catholic.html

    "Woah!... Pope Benedict Rebukes Pelosi!
    Pope Benedict XVI told U.S. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi that Catholic politicians have a duty to protect life "at all stages of its development."
    Life News reported:

    VATICAN CITY, February 18, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Vatican Press Office released a note this morning detailing part of the conversation which Pope Benedict XVI had with Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Vatican insiders inform LifeSiteNews.com that such releases are always phrased in diplomatic language and thus the correction of the Speaker who fancies herself a faithful Catholic despite her abortion advocacy can be taken as a rebuke.

    The text of the note reads: "His Holiness took the opportunity to speak of the requirements of the natural moral law and the Church's consistent teaching on the dignity of human life from conception to natural death which enjoin all Catholics, and especially legislators, jurists and those responsible for the common good of society, to work in cooperation with all men and women of good will in creating a just system of laws capable of protecting human life at all stages of its development."
    Does Pelosi care? Probably not too much.
    It was only a slight embarrassment for the Speaker.
    Obviously, what is important to Pelosi is her politics.
    For Pelosi, politics trumps faith."






    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/28/obama-vatican-clash-abortion/
    "Obama Administration, Vatican Clash Over Abortion

    After President Obama ended a ban last week on federal funding to international groups that perform or promote abortions, he is taking heat from the Roman Catholic Church. "




    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,598298,00.html

    Critics Accuse Pope of Stirring Anti-Gay Sentiment

    "Gay rights groups, politicians and a prominent German theologian have criticized remarks made earlier this week by Pope Benedict XVI. They accuse him of attacking same-sex marriages and sex change operations.

    Pope Benedict XVI has drawn sharp criticism in Europe for comments made in his end of the year address critical of people who choose to have sex changes or enter into same-sex marriages.
    The pope claimed that "what is often expressed and signified with the word 'gender' leads to the human auto-emancipation from creation and the Creator. The human being wants to make himself on his own and to decide always and exclusively by himself about what concerns him.""

     
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  2. Big Mouth Nana

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    You must spend all day reading news stories. Isn't that rather depressing? My adage is, to much news is bad for you. I watch it in the morning, and maybe at night and that's enough for me for the day. You will always find something not good. What you fill your Spirit with is what you are, and I think that you believe everything that you read. There is a difference then taking the news and applying it to prophecy, and there is a difference then taking the news and trying to make it fit prophecy. The only News that is worth anything these days is the Word...The Good News.
    John 16:33 ~ These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation (not the tribulation): but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
    How can a person have peace when they spend a lot of their time in doom and gloom? Most families have their own set of problems without injesting every bad story that comes down the trail. You can't stop any of it, so why dwell on it? Got any "cheer" in you that you can spread on here? Is this a constant topic of conversation in your home as well? My husband would never come home if I did that :cool: When something really prophetic happens that is in the Word, I will be the Big Mouth Nana that I am ;)

     
  3. Super Kal

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    hold on one minute, BMN... John 16:33 does NOT say "in the world ye shall have tribulation (not the tribulation)"...

    it says "in the world ye shall have tribulation"... it's not being specific in ANY way... this talks of tribulation, no matter it be great or small
     
  4. HisdaughterJen

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    I just love that everything is lining up exactly as God said it would! I am a watcher! I'm sounding the alarm when I see the storm brewing. If you look around, you'll see that most people are asleep...which is also prophesied. There's nothing that the devil would love more than to take a watcher/seeker of God off the wall and shut him/her up.

    There is nothing more valuable or important than God and seeking Him, Nana.

    Furthermore, if people don't stand up and make a noise when something happens, everybody could get killed. Look at what's happened with Obama. Look at what kind of president we have and where this nation is headed. The noise-makers were ignored and now this nation is doomed.
     
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  5. Big Mouth Nana

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    I know that :) Jen believes that we are in the tribulation right now...I don't. That is why I put "not the tribulation" for emphasis..
     
  6. Big Mouth Nana

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    I am a watcher also, but gee, can't you get your information off of a reputable well known site like Time, CNN, MSNBC, heck even Fox news which I detest. Have you noticed the few comments regarding your sources? They saved me a comment besides the little laugh smilie I made on one of your other posts. Some of these sites that you are utilizing are the thoughts of men alone and not the facts told by believable sources. I could handle news from someone known ^_^
    Yes, I know where this nation is headed. So, you think that the noise makers now are going to do any better then the past ones? I say a big NO to that. The watchmen now are in the church..you/me/others, and the world in case you don't know it doesn't listen to the church, AND a lot of those sitting in the church don't give a care where this nation is headed. Where was the church when all of this happened under Bushes administration? I know that there are Christians in government. Where were their voices? If this is headed where I believe that it is, no one is going to stop it...not even God as it will be prophecy.
     
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    So, what exactly are you suggesting? Unless I quote a source YOU approve of that I (or even the church as a whole) should sit down and shut up because no one cares that Jesus is about to return anyway?
     
  8. zeke37

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    1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

    2With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
    3So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
    4And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
    5And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
    6And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
    7And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
    8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
    10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
    11And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
    12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
    14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

    15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

    16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
    17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
    18And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.


    nope, verse 15 states that it is really not a city in particular, but worldwide...the city is symbolic...Babylon=confusion...
     
  9. HisdaughterJen

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    It's definitely global but based in Rome.

    Isa 47:5"Sit in silence, go into darkness, Daughter of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms.
    Isa 47:6I was angry with my people and desecrated my inheritance; I gave them into your hand, and you showed them no mercy. Even on the aged you laid a very heavy yoke.
    Isa 47:7You said, 'I will continue forever-- the eternal queen!' But you did not consider these things or reflect on what might happen.
    Isa 47:8"Now then, listen, you wanton creature, lounging in your security and saying to yourself, 'I am, and there is none besides me. I will never be a widow or suffer the loss of children.'


    Compare to:

    Rev 18:7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.



    Now, tell me, Zeke...

    Into what Kingdom's hand did God give HIS PEOPLE which can also be called DAUGHTER of Babylon?

    Historically, God gave Israel into the hands of the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and the Romans. Which one came AFTER the Babylonians to be considered a DAUGHTER of the Babylonians?


    Need more?

    Zec 2:6"Come! Come! Flee from the land of the north," declares the Lord, "for I have scattered you to the four winds of heaven," declares the Lord.
    Zec 2:7"Come, O Zion! Escape, you who live in the Daughter of Babylon!"

    When was Israel scattered to the four winds? By whom? Which can also be called "the land of the North" and a DAUGHTER of Babylon?


    Rev 18:4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;


    It's ROMAN!
     
  10. Big Mouth Nana

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    I'm sure that many people who are paying attention to the news have chosen reputable sites with a respected name that are believable. Why don't we all just go to the supermarket and pick up a copy of the National Enquirer. I have been in line at the store and have seen titles on this "rag sheet" like..Nasa Sees Large City Coming Toward Earth OR Moses Budding Staff Found At Red Sea. Well my thought is yeah right, you see the New J coming down and you really found a large piece of skinny drift wood. Facts are a lot better then sensationalism. I'm not purposely picking on you Jen, but you have been called on this before, so I am not the only one who has seen this. You have had some interesting topics, but when you start posting from these sites that probably no one has ever heard of, and then I and others read them, it is only obvious that they are comparable to the N Equirer. Heck, some of the titles don't even match what is supposed to be in the articles. The titles are attention getters only. I'm sure that these other sites are more interesting to you as they are hype and generate hype followers. News sources like CNN, Time magazine articles etc are rather boring aren't they compared to the sites you read? We have to be careful with what we "feed" ourselves in these last days. We think that we can't be deceived, but Satan is the master confuser and deceiver...1 Cor 10:12 ~ Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

    What do any of these articles that you post have to do with Jesus coming soon? Show me in the bible where it states that we are going to have a global one world government before the Antichrist reigns and the Illuminati/Bilderburgs/Freemasonary are going to take over? Evil has been on this earth since the garden, and will continue right up until Jesus appears in the sky. I deal in biblical prophetic facts, not fiction.
     
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    But it was George W Bush that put America, and maybe the world, on the path to destruction!
     
  12. HisdaughterJen

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    Technically, it was Bush 41 that declared a "new world order" back in 1990 or 1991. Every president since has just been a puppet.
     
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    That's true too. George Bush 43 was just following in daddy's footsteps, especially with the Iraq war and his tax cuts for the wealthy.

    I'm not real optimistic that Obama is going to save anyone. :(
     
  14. Ephesian

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    I find news sources like Time, CNN, CNBC, very unreliable. I think they are extremely slanted in their reporting which makes them some what deceiving.

    Rev 17:12-13
    "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.
    "These have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.

    Some believe that this is saying the NWO will already be in place and they will be turning over their authority to the antichrist. It makes sense to me that he would be stepping into something that is already in place and then moving it to the next level.
     
  15. Hockey_Fan

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    Please don't tell me you believe what you hear on Faux News Channel.
     
  16. Ephesian

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    Fox is like the rest only to a slightly lessor extent. To their credit, they usually have someone on with opposing views, unlike CNBC.
     
  17. Big Mouth Nana

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    Sean Hannity acts like he thinks that he is Mr. Moral Majority, and Bill O'Rielly is just a hot headed jerk!! I watch MSNBC mostly, and they do have guests with opposing views. You evidenty don't watch Chris Matthews who always has opposing views on there. Foxes motto is that they are fair and balanced...only balanced on their side.
     
  18. Ephesian

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    lol. I can't argue about the personalities. I watch for the guests and occasionally they ask the questions that I would ask, something I seldom get from the other channels. I can't watch Matthews anymore, not after he had "goosebumps" running up and down his leg just listening to Obama speak. Also I think Keith Olberman has the jerk department cornered. I do believe Fox is more balanced than the other channels although there is no question which way they lean. All news is slanted no matter who it is. When I hear someone on Fox say they get "goosebumps" just listening to Obama, then I'll quit watching Fox as well. That being said, it really boils down to taste and political leanings, but the only reason for watching the news in my opinion, for me, is to watch the news in the light of prophecy.
     
  19. gracechick

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    The thing is many of the listed sources are owned by sympathiers or most likely members of the Bilderberg club. Many of them are simply feeding us what the powers that be decide the world's population needs to hear. So they arn't that reputable ither sadly enough.
     
  20. Ephesian

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    I agree! And not just the Bilderberg, but the CFR as well, and Fox is in their hip pocket too.
     
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