The Wiccan Summerland?

[Rae]

he said that you cant get in (or maybe it was that it takes longer) if you dont have any scars.

--Nope. That's nonsense. Was he a real-life Malkavian? That would explain it.

How can a mere mortal know what is immeasurably beyond his reach?

You're a mere mortal. How can you?

 

[Fuzzy]

Am I the only one who doesn't have a clue what he said?

References to, and citations of, a role-playing game,
White Wolf's Vampire collection.

 

[malkaviananatole]

no he is a wiccan, i am a malkavian, i thought that comment about the scars slightly odd which is why i was asking, the only stupid question is the one that remains unasked, although sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool then to open it and give proof beyond all doubt

 

[Druweid]

Alright, I'm a Wiccan and today while doing some research on Wicca I was wondering about Summerland (A Pagan heaven) vs. The Christian Heaven.

Wow, quite a bit has already been covered. Hopefully I can catch up and still be basically coherent.

The honest difference between heaven and summerland is the difference between the truth and a lie.
::snip::
And this is not to harass you either. If that is the way I've come across, then I am sorry.

Y'know, your post *might* have happend this way: "Gee, since it's not biblical, I see Summerland as just another myth, but I'm certainly happy to describe the wonder of heaven as ..." Just a thought.

Summerland doesn't sound like it has much purpose (by which I mean, there isn't some big event going on there), while heaven is a place of ultimate purpose -- fulfillment of that for which we were created, a relationship with God.

Oddly enough, I see Summerland as the fulfillment for that which we were created. And to say "there isn't some big event going on there" may be true in some respect (keeping in mind Pagans have a variety of views) but it is still considered by some (such as myself) as meaningful and significant.

As was mentioned in previous posts, Summerland is a place of rest and contemplation, where one can reflect on the lessons learned during their time on Earth. I also believe that it is a place where spiritual guidance is offered by older and wiser spirits, and that one's next step, whether to return to earth to continue the cycle of learning and growth, or to ascend to a higher state of being, is more-or-less determined there.

Arguing about the difference between Summerland and Heaven is like arguing about the color of the light of the farthist star, it distracts from the now. Instead of worrying about what happens after dead maybe you should enjoy the mystery and beauty that is life.

I don't entirely agree. I think one should always be mindful of the future, as long as it's not at the expense of the present. A second-grader need not be consumed with the requirements of graduating from his/her senior year of high school, but since that is the ultimate goal of attending school, it seems appropriate to at least be aware and/or mindful of it.

I tend to agree with Paulos, however. Nobody knows what happens after death, and to spend all of your life wondering or worrying or hoping for what happens after you die is wasting the beauty of what is around us now.

Yes, in truth, I have no idea what really happens. I have my opinions and my beliefs and I have no reason to believe otherwise. I don't wonder, and I certainly don't worry about it. I'll find out if I'm right or wrong at the proper time, and not one moment sooner.

the whole concept of the after life being unknowable is a good view, i think its absolutely right. and living in the here and now is better then dweling on the past or future...

On this part, I would tend to agree.

...what has happened is beyond our control to change, and wishing will not make the future turn out how you want it to.

I think this misses the point. Certainly, we can't change the past, but you can certainly *learn* from the past. Like with the future, I believe one should be mindful of the past, though primarily of the lessons learned.

but i believe that sometimes, while sitting alone in the dark night, thinking of what is ahead is a good thing, dont wish cus that wont work, but you need to think on what possibilities are out there.

I will never give up on wishing. I keep my wishes in proper perspective, but without hopes and aspirations, life is (imho) little more than drudgery.

after all since the afterlife, and whatever force ACTUALLY DOES control the universe, are both unknowable how can you, a mere mortal, a grain of sand in the wide spectrum of life, possible knwo anything about what actually is.

I don't see that as an entirely fair question. You could just as easily say that the adult world is "unknowable" to a seven-year-old child. Granted, one day that child will know, but then, the same can be said for us and the spiritual world.

Regards,
-- Druweid

 

[AlanGurvey]

The honest difference between heaven and summerland is the difference between the truth and a lie.

Thats cool, but thats your own opinion with no facts to back it up, and due to the fact rants like yours where not asked for, I suggest silence for you

 

[AlanGurvey]

Keep Your Evangelism In The General Apologetics Forum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kangitanka]

...i am a malkavian...

No, you're not.


And if you think you are a real malkavian, you need to read the disclaimers at the beginnings of the White Wolf books

 

[malkaviananatole]

No, you're not.


And if you think you are a real malkavian, you need to read the disclaimers at the beginnings of the White Wolf books

interesting, i have played the game for several years and never bothered to notice the disclaimer...

 

[Kaonashi]

Both the Summerlands and Heaven seem rather grand places to be after death.