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Featured The white horse.

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by sparow, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. sparow

    sparow Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The Four Horsemen of Revelation

    There are a lot of interesting historical facts in this video; but I always disagree with then Armstrong crowd regarding the white horse of Rev 6:2. I can see no reason to assume the white horse is Satan making a false covenant, even though Satan has made a false covenant and deceived most.

    Zechariah tells us that the horses and riders are sent out by God, initially they spy and then react to what they see. So I believe the white horse of Rev 6:2 is the true covenant being spread and the other horses react to how the covenant is received.
     
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  2. Pethesedzao

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    Armstrongism is a cult, avoid it NOW
     
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    You seem to be implying "cult" is something bad; according to my dictionary that is not the case in fact all honest religions are cults, including the RRC and Pagan religions. If there was something wrong with Armstrongism they would be the one who wasn't a cult
     
  5. Pethesedzao

    Pethesedzao Well-Known Member

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    Armstrongism denies that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.
     
  6. Pethesedzao

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    All cults are under the spirit of antichrist
     
  7. sparow

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    If we accept that it is God who sends out the horses to do God's work, the God does not send out the antichrist; Satan manages his own agenda. While there are many antichrists the term "The antichrist" is a misnomer; not Biblical.
     
  8. sparow

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    I hope this is not true; I do not believe it is true. Armstrong was an intelligent man, high IQ, he would not deny what the Bible plainly says.

    A long time ago I had all of Armstrong's booklets and I used to compare what he said with the scripture he quoted and I was never able to see the connection; many things he said made sense; it was not that I agreed or disagreed I wasn't able to get traction, except for the white horse in Rev 6:2. Later I learned that Armstrong studied with the SDA and later he studied with the Jehovah Witness, and when I heard that I understood; the Jehovah Witnesses never discuss disputable matters; you can never use the scripture they quote or other scriptures to dispute what they say; they make a science of this.
     
  9. Pethesedzao

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    Please believe me. Armstrong was a false prophet.
     
  10. Pethesedzao

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    God does not send out the horses.
     
  11. sparow

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    What makes a false prophet false; it is not simply what the prophet says; because that would make all preachers false, they all get stuff wrong; I think it's whether the are sent by God or not, whether their motive is money or prestige and not service. For us the idea is to test all things, hold what is good and reject what is bad; even false prophets get somethings right.
     
  12. Pethesedzao

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    Any cult is in error from the beginning even if they prophesy true or false. Believers are saved by grace through faith; cults depend on works.
     
  13. sparow

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    Zechariah 1:9-17 (NKJV)
    9 Then I said, "My lord, what are these?" So the angel who talked with me said to me, "I will show you what they are."
    10 And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, "These are the ones whom the LORD has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth."
    11 So they answered the Angel of the LORD, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, "We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is resting quietly."
    12 Then the Angel of the LORD answered and said, "O LORD of hosts, how long will You not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which You were angry these seventy years?"
    13 And the LORD answered the angel who talked to me, with good and comforting words.
    14 So the angel who spoke with me said to me, "Proclaim, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts: "I am zealous for Jerusalem And for Zion with great zeal.
    15 I am exceedingly angry with the nations at ease; For I was a little angry, And they helped--but with evil intent."
    16 'Therefore thus says the LORD: "I am returning to Jerusalem with mercy; My house shall be built in it," says the LORD of hosts, "And a surveyor's line shall be stretched out over Jerusalem." '
    17 "Again proclaim, saying, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts: "My cities shall again spread out through prosperity; The LORD will again comfort Zion, And will again choose Jerusalem." ' "


    Clearly in Zechariah the Lord sends out the horses.

    Everything in the new testament has to be validate by the old testament; these two witnesses have to be in agreement; if God sends out the horses in the old testament God also sends them out in the new; this is how we can know what is true and what is false; otherwise our Dr. of Theologies and Popes could decide the matters.
     
  14. sparow

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    Can you tell me what grace is that it can save and what is faith that grace can save though it?

    "Cult" means something to you that I am not privy to.

    From my Oxford dictionary, 1964, CULT, System of religious worship; devotion, homage, to a person or thing.
     
  15. Pethesedzao

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    There are sects and there are cults. The former may confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, the latter deny that Jesus Christ is God in human flesh.
     
  16. eleos1954

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    The rider on the white horse is Jesus.

    See Revelation 19

    The Rider on the White Horse

    11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

    14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God, the Almighty.16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:
     
  17. Pethesedzao

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    Not in Revelation 6 it isn't
     
  18. Pethesedzao

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    Again, not in Revelation 6 it isn't
     
  19. claninja

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    We should only ever use scripture to interpret scripture.

    **Where does scripture define the rider on the white horse as the antichrist?


    Revelation 19 defines the rider on the white hours as "faithful and true", with the name king of kings and lord of lords written on this thigh and robe.

    Revelation 19:11,16 Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
     
  20. David Kent

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    Reference please.
     
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