The western world hates PATRIARCHY and the church ignores it. By this are we sinning?

[Desk trauma]

In other words, just look at the numbers in the USA.

Yes, let’s:

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Some think that patriarchy is about power. But I think it is about responsibility and it is the system directed in the Bible. But we have stepped away from patriarchy. Is that a sin and why does the church avoid this topic?

The God-given authority of a man, it has been misused and squandered away. Maybe the smoky ruins of the patriarchy are deserved considering that men have engaged in too many great and terrible wars and men have created bombs that can literally destroy the entire planet. Obviously, men cannot be trusted. The baby boomer generation became most aware of this post World War I and World War II, and especially considering the aftermath of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. I think our corrupt and terrible power has rendered us afraid of what confronts us in the honest mirror. So we close our eyes and surrender to our sad self-demasculaton. Running the gauntlet we go. Rampant divorce. Immorality. Abortion. And is that great slaughter of the unborn any less brutal than all the great wars combined? No, it is an even greater sin as far as the numbers go. Here are some numbers that will blow your mind:

World War II (the Great War) - 70 to 85 million deaths
All wars in the 20th century - between 108 and 203 million deaths
Abortions worldwide since 1980 - 1.5 billion deaths

Looking at these numbers, that means that there have been between 7.38 and 13.88 times more deaths by abortion than by all wars in the 20th century. If such big numbers are too abstract for you, lets just look at some numbers specific to the United States.

All USA wars combined - 1.1 million deaths
Abortions in the USA since Roe v Wade - 62 million deaths
Planned Parenthood since 1970 has killed 8.9 million babies

But with abortions the blood runs down a timid sink rather than in the open streets as in war and nothing goes BOOM. To empower the women to take the lead we must be willing to slaughter the unborn. It is the only way, for abortion is that great equalizer among the sexes. And hooray for Gay Pride. After all, why not, we certainly deserve that for our cowardice and God forsaken ways. The number of women having babies out of wedlock is skyrocketing. The honored place of wife and mother is rapidly being reduced to "my baby's mama", and that's okay just don't interrupt my secret click and scroll on my unusual and delicious digital date. Of course the devil will take our women now! Adam did not protect Eve from the sly serpent. We are no wiser.

As men have shunned their God-given authority and responsibilities, a new power fills the expanding voids and takes over. What is this power? Liberalism. Consumerism. Socialism. Globalism.

Is there anything that we can do, or will only the Second Coming put things in order?

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My art - The Second Coming

WW1 was called "The Great War".

Without the Patriarchy there would be no walls for women hang pictures on?

 

[SkyWriting]

Some think that patriarchy is about power. But I think it is about responsibility and it is the system directed in the Bible. But we have stepped away from patriarchy. Is that a sin and why does the church avoid this topic?

We cannot decide what is sin for other people. We are not qualified.

Besides that, the greatest commandment calls for strict equality among all people.
It actually defines all hierarchy and justice for believers.
There are no other guidelines that beat the greatest commandment.

 

[SkyWriting]

Some think that patriarchy is about power. But I think it is about responsibility and it is the system directed in the Bible. But we have stepped away from patriarchy. Is that a sin and why does the church avoid this topic?

The God-given authority of a man, it has been misused and squandered away. Maybe the smoky ruins of the patriarchy are deserved considering that men have engaged in too many great and terrible wars and men have created bombs that can literally destroy the entire planet. Obviously, men cannot be trusted. The baby boomer generation became most aware of this post World War I and World War II, and especially considering the aftermath of the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. I think our corrupt and terrible power has rendered us afraid of what confronts us in the honest mirror. So we close our eyes and surrender to our sad self-demasculaton. Running the gauntlet we go. Rampant divorce. Immorality. Abortion. And is that great slaughter of the unborn any less brutal than all the great wars combined? No, it is an even greater sin as far as the numbers go. Here are some numbers that will blow your mind:

World War II (the Great War) - 70 to 85 million deaths
All wars in the 20th century - between 108 and 203 million deaths
Abortions worldwide since 1980 - 1.5 billion deaths

Looking at these numbers, that means that there have been between 7.38 and 13.88 times more deaths by abortion than by all wars in the 20th century. If such big numbers are too abstract for you, lets just look at some numbers specific to the United States.

All USA wars combined - 1.1 million deaths
Abortions in the USA since Roe v Wade - 62 million deaths
Planned Parenthood since 1970 has killed 8.9 million babies

But with abortions the blood runs down a timid sink rather than in the open streets as in war and nothing goes BOOM. To empower the women to take the lead we must be willing to slaughter the unborn. It is the only way, for abortion is that great equalizer among the sexes. And hooray for Gay Pride. After all, why not, we certainly deserve that for our cowardice and God forsaken ways. The number of women having babies out of wedlock is skyrocketing. The honored place of wife and mother is rapidly being reduced to "my baby's mama", and that's okay just don't interrupt my secret click and scroll on my unusual and delicious digital date. Of course the devil will take our women now! Adam did not protect Eve from the sly serpent. We are no wiser.

As men have shunned their God-given authority and responsibilities, a new power fills the expanding voids and takes over. What is this power? Liberalism. Consumerism. Socialism. Globalism.

Is there anything that we can do, or will only the Second Coming put things in order?

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Any important scripture on that?

Hebrews 10:24-25
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

What Does the Bible Say About Do To Others?

 

[SkyWriting]

If you "say the opposite" then you are opposing all this: BIBLE VERSES ABOUT MAN AS HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD

Yes. Opposing every one.
If you want to speak on priorities, there are no other guidelines that beat The Greatest Commandment.
What Does the Bible Say About Do To Others?

 

[Norbert L]

Maybe the smoky ruins of the patriarchy are deserved considering that men have engaged in too many great and terrible wars and men have created bombs that can literally destroy the entire planet.

If blame is to be referred to as something that men are solely responsible for the atomic bomb, how do you view the women physicists who likewise believed in that cause and participated in the Manhattan project? In my observation there seems to a blurry line here in how to define which group of people, male or female is deserving of guilt in this instance.

 

[Ohorseman]

I'm not opposing those Scriptures, but I completely disagree with you about what they mean.

Well, take the first one. Wives, submit to your husbands.... Except they leave out the part immediately before that; Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. The submission or subjection was never meant to be one-sided or only wives to husbands, but mutual and both to each.

This is not a mandate for men to control or dominate women, but for mutuality in life.

We completely agree on what they mean. Indeed, it is plain.

 

[Ohorseman]

Yes, let’s:
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Good, the slaughter of millions slows. Still, Planned Parenthood has taken more lives than our military in all our wars combined. Still, abortion is deadlier than war. The numbers don't lie. Nor should we.

United States military casualties of war - Wikipedia

Number of Abortions in US & Worldwide - Number of abortions since 1973

 

[Desk trauma]

Good, the slaughter of millions slows.

Not just slowed, fell to below the level it was at prior to Roe Vs. Wade and the trend continues.

 

[Ohorseman]

Yes. Opposing every one.
If you want to speak on priorities, there are no other guidelines that beat The Greatest Commandment.
What Does the Bible Say About Do To Others?

I think everyone in this forum agrees with that. Indeed, it is the priority. And when men avoid their responsibility to be head of the household, faithful to his wife, priest to his family, then he is failing to follow the Greatest Commandment. He is failing to love God and neighbor as Christ directs. Instead, we commit adultery, watch inappropriate content, commit sodomy, get drunk, get fat, and allow our minds to become depraved along with the rest of the world... and we govern in that same manner - or FAIL to govern might be a better way to put it.

 

[Paulos23]

Planned Parenthood has taken more lives than our military in all our wars combined. Still, abortion is deadlier than war. The numbers don't lie. Nor should we.

Planned Parenthood also works to prevent abortion with education, contraceptives, and healthcare. The numbers would be much higher if it wasn't for PP clinics. I have known a number of women that had stories of being taken to PP clinics to get birth control by friends so they wouldn't end up pregnant.

PP is not an abortion factory, it is just one of the services it does for the poor, and a small number of what it does in services at that.

 

[Desk trauma]

Planned Parenthood also works to prevent abortion with education, contraceptives, and healthcare. The numbers would be much higher if it wasn't for PP clinics. I have known a number of women that had stories of being taken to PP clinics to get birth control by friends so they wouldn't end up pregnant.

PP is not an abortion factory, it is just one of the services it does for the poor, and a small number of what it does in services at that.

PP prevents more abortions than the entire anti-abortion moment via their distribution of long term contraception. Something that anti-aboriton groups not only do not do but in some cases actively oppose.

 

[Ohorseman]

Not just slowed, fell to below the level it was at prior to Roe Vs. Wade and the trend continues.

Prior... you said prior to Roe V. Wade. You probably did not mean to say that... because it does not show that. But, okay, so a law is passed that legalizes killing the unborn. The numbers rise, and now have fallen. Likely, the numbers will drop even more as gay pride rules more and more. But abortion deaths are still happening... and the numbers crush deaths by war.

I am just failing to understand how our existing system is better than patriarchy. Where I see moral anarchy with a death toll that surpasses Hitler, Mao, and Stalin combined... some see liberation and free expression - maybe, that is liberation from the word of God and freedom to express sin.

Yet you call yourself an Atheist Capitalist, LOL. I am attempting to have what I consider a theological discussion about Biblical patriarchy with atheists and a female Anglican Priest in a providence where they ordinate women and bless same-sex marriages. I am definitely in the wrong place, LOL.

 

[Ohorseman]

Planned Parenthood also works to prevent abortion with education, contraceptives, and healthcare. The numbers would be much higher if it wasn't for PP clinics. I have known a number of women that had stories of being taken to PP clinics to get birth control by friends so they wouldn't end up pregnant.

PP is not an abortion factory, it is just one of the services it does for the poor, and a small number of what it does in services at that.

LOL, another atheist. Sorry guys, no disrespect intended. I thought this was a Christian forum but maybe it changed. Or maybe I put this in the wrong part of the forum.

Moderators, please move this in the appropriate place... where I can discuss Biblical patriarchy with other Bible believing Christians... you know, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Eastern Orthodox, etc.

 

[Desk trauma]

Prior... you said prior to Roe V. Wade. You probably did not mean to say that... because it does not show that.

Yes I did and yes it does.

The Roe Vs. Wade ruling took place in 1973, thats the year the data I presented starts. Please take note of the numbers from that year 16.3 per 1000. Now take note of the 2017 numbers 13.5 per 1000. This leaves the current abortion rate, in a time where it is legal in all 50 states and has a significantly lower social stigma attached to it, lower than when that was not the case.

Yet you call yourself an Atheist Capitalist, LOL. I am attempting to have what I consider a theological discussion about Biblical patriarchy with atheists and a female Anglican Priest in a providence where they ordinate women and bless same-sex marriages. I am definitely in the wrong place, LOL.

Large portions of the site are not open to non-christens such as my self. However Christians who disagree with you will be there was well.

Sorry you didn't find the echo chamber you appear to be looking for.

 

[SkyWriting]

I think everyone in this forum agrees with that. Indeed, it is the priority. And when men avoid their responsibility to be head of the household, faithful to his wife, priest to his family, then he is failing to follow the Greatest Commandment. He is failing to love God and neighbor as Christ directs. Instead, we commit adultery, watch inappropriate content, commit sodomy, get drunk, get fat, and allow our minds to become depraved along with the rest of the world... and we govern in that same manner - or FAIL to govern might be a better way to put it.

1. Nothing Paul ever wrote to the Preemie churches who didn't have the New Testament overrides the Greatest Commandment to treat all other people equally with yourself.

2. 40% of households are headed by females and no church, at any time, has ever lifted a finger to get that number to zero. So equality by treating other people the same as yourself has won over the church. Churches honor all households equally with no preference to men.

John 13
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Mark 12:28-34
And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him. ...

Matthew 22:36-38
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

Galatians 5:14
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

John 13:34-35
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

 

[Paulos23]

I am just failing to understand how our existing system is better than patriarchy.

Our current system is still heavily patriarchy-based. It is trained into our kids. Heck, it took my wife a while to accept we are equal in the marriage because she had been taught that women should follow men.

Women that are capable at, and want, other jobs still have to fight to get them and not be kept at home. And don't get me started at the number of men that see women as objects.

We have a long way to get out from the patriarchy despite the small areas where it has been cast out.

 

[Paulos23]

LOL, another atheist. Sorry guys, no disrespect intended. I thought this was a Christian forum but maybe it changed. Or maybe I put this in the wrong part of the forum.

Running away from us doesn't change the objections to your arguments. And maybe it will even help you make better arguments if you stick around.

 

[SkyWriting]

By treating the 40% of households headed by women as equals,
we denounce inequality in society and support the Greatest Commandment.

Matthew 22:36-38
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment.

Matthew 22:39
And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.


Not "the" second. There is only one, but "a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

No exception for women or blacks....who very recently got the right to vote. That's how slow a man can be. Until recently blacks and women could not vote, thanks be to the leadership of men. Some 1900 years of male leadership.

 

[Hammster]

LOL, another atheist. Sorry guys, no disrespect intended. I thought this was a Christian forum but maybe it changed. Or maybe I put this in the wrong part of the forum.

Moderators, please move this in the appropriate place... where I can discuss Biblical patriarchy with other Bible believing Christians... you know, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Eastern Orthodox, etc.

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