The war before Gog

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In the war prior to the millenium ,these ten nations are destroyed .Then all of the promised land from,the Eurprates to the Nile shall belong to Israel and they shall reign with Christ.


Psalm 83:4 saying, "Come, let us erase them as a nation; may the name of Israel be remembered no more."
Psalm 83:5 For with one mind they plot together, they form an alliance against You--
Psalm 83:6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites,
Psalm 83:7 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek, Philistia with the people of Tyre.
Psalm 83:8 Even Assyria has joined them, lending strength to the sons of Lot. Selah

This war is often called Armeggedon.This is when all thst offend in Christs kingdom is cast out like the weeds during the harvest burned in the fire.

These ten with one mind fight against the Lamb at his coming..
 
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But who said Zechariah 14 was at His second coming or at the end of so-called 1,000 years physical rule of Christ on Earth? Was it God's word itself or you and your teachers? Did you not read the passage in question? We can see from comparing Scripture with Scripture that to understand the symbolism we need to recognize that Jerusalem, the holy city and bride of God, is representative of the congregation, the People of God. In the Old Testament, that was Israel, with Jews being the builders of that temple. Zechariah 14 is in reference to their captivity, the apostasy that had gripped that congregation, and this warfare in His congregation (Matthew 11:12) that ushers in the Messiah Himself and His messianic peace, comfort and the (millennial) Kingdom age. This time of Christ's first advent is when the Lord defeated the nations/gentiles that came against his people. Not Roman armies, not every physical nation in the world, and not at the end times in His second advent, but these nations were defeated by the Lord and by His army in their testimony. That's not rhetoric but confirmed by Scripture. It was by the shedding of His blood that they were defeated.

Daniel 9:26
  • "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
The Messiah the Prince is Jesus Christ. His people are the Jews. God did not talk about Titus and his Roman soliders here! Indeed the people of the Prince (Jews - Hi) did destroy the city and sanctuary, and consequently the kingdom was taken from them and given to another (New Testament Congregation). These were the nations that came against Jerusalem, as Christ this Prince, was delivered to the Gentiles for crucifixion by His own people. This language of delivering to the Gentiles is not coincidental, as it illustrates His people were working as Gentiles against their own Prince. Gentiles simply means anyone not a Jew, an alien or foreigner from Israel. Anyone who is not the true Jews or children of God are spiritually Gentiles (Revelation 3:9) and at war in Jerusalem. Doesn't matter if you say you are a Jew by bloodline, you are not one in God's eyes. There was no physical war going on in Jerusalem when Christ came, so why do you think God prophesied Christ's coming to end Jerusalem's warfare (Isiah 40:1-2) and to bring comfort to her? These are questions that many teachers ignore because it illustrates vividly that the Lord spoke this way. While they want to keep holding to an idea that understanding ar and city spiritually is of men rather than of God. But the Biblical fact is, she indeed was at war, but not warfare as the world defines it, but as God's word does. Not by all the literal/physical nations battling against her as the world defines it, but as God does. Two different generations or families, one the messengers and children of Satan and the other the messengers or children of God, at war. Even as Revelation 12 also depicts. The end result was that Christ came to the mount of Olives (signifying the anointed kingdom), came to Jerusalem as King, freed the children held in captivity, in bondage of Satan and his minions, and judged those who fought against Him. Not in worldly Premillennialists terms, but spiritual.

Zechariah 12:89
  • "In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
  • And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
  • And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
The only real question is, when Christ poured out His Spirit of grace upon the house of David (Pentecost), how was Jerusalem under seige by all the nations, and how did God seek to destroy all the nations that came against Jerusalem? When you answer that question honestly, you know that this never spoke of a physical/literal war or nations. The Lord did defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem and did destroy the nations that came up against her and He did pour out His spirit upon the house of David, and they did look upon Him whom they had pierced. Could it be anymore clearer. It is Done! Christ accomplished this at the cross. And they did mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, as also confirmed yet again in John 19.

John 19:36-37
  • "For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
  • And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced."
It's not scripture yet to be fulfilled, it's Scripture already fulfilled! Period! We just need to take God's word as authoritative, rather than listen to the self-serving denials of men snared in Premillennial/Judaism/Zionism/Preterism.
 
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In the war prior to the millenium ,these ten nations are destroyed .Then all of the promised land from,the Eurprates to the Nile shall belong to Israel and they shall reign with Christ.
This war is often called Armeggedon.This is when all thst offend in Christs kingdom is cast out like the weeds during the harvest burned in the fire.

These ten with one mind fight against the Lamb at his coming..
Armageddon is indeed before Gog Magog which occurs after the 1000yr period.

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Armageddon is indeed before Gog Magog which occurs after the 1000yr period.

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I believe the war of Gog and Magog and the war of Armageddon are one and the same event.
 
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I believe the war of Gog and Magog and the war of Armageddon are one and the same event.
I tend to agree, as that would be the only other alternative.

I would think Gog is leading them to the battle of Armageddon.

Revelation 16:
14 For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which are going-out upon the kings of the whold home-land<3625>,
to-be-together-leading/mobilizing/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle of the great Day of the God the Almighty.
16 And they together-leading/mobilize/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Place, the being called to Hebrew Armageddwn<717>

Revelation 20:8

and he shall be coming out<1831> to deceive<4105> the nations, the ones in the Four Corners of the land, the Gog and Magog,
to be together-leading/mobilizing/sunagagein <4863> (5629) them into the Battle, of which the Number of them as the Sand<285> of the Sea<2281>.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]
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It is interesting to note these verses in Revelation 1:1,3 are repeated again in Revelation 22:6,10

Revelation 1:1
1 An unveiling of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him,
which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
3 Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
that the Time/Season is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22
6 And said to me: "These the Words Faithful and True. And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servents of Him which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
10 And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
that the Time/Season is nigh<1451>
 
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I believe the war of Gog and Magog and the war of Armageddon are one and the same event.

Glad that I am not only one who believe this here.
 
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I never understood how any Christian can even view G-M as before the 1000yr period, unless they are indoctrinated in that view.

You were indoctrinated to believe that the 1,000 year is apart from Church age itself which you believe will take place AFTER the church. The millennial kingdom is not some future kingdom yet to come, but is the Church since Pentecost. The number 10 (and its multiples 100, 1,000, etc.) has a spiritual signification in Scripture to mean the fullness of whatever is in view. God did not leave the number in the book of Revelation for us to count the number of years with a calendar!

In Revelation 20, Satan was bound until the fullness of the church ministry is finished. In other words, until all Elects has to be sealed FIRST before Satan can come out of bottomless pit to deceive those who have NOT YET SEALED of God!

Revelation 9:2-6 KJV
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

This is the very reason why Satan has to be bound at the Cross so that Christ can establish His Church and build it through His Elect (Two Witnesses) until ALL ELECT God intend to seal has been sealed. Then and only then, God would allow Satan to come out of the bottomless pit with a command that they only can hurt those in the church that have NOT YET SEALED of God. They are the professed Christians who will be deceived by false prophets and christs. That is why the Millennial Kingdom is when the Church goes out to the ends of the earth to seal all Elect, then their "1,000" years is finished, Satan comes out!

There won't be a physical 1,000 years of Christ's rule on earth because he ALREADY rules on earth THROUGH His Church! Selah! Therefore, the battle of Gog and Magog, aka Armageddon will occur at the END of the church age.... after all Elect have been secured. This will take place right before Second Coming.
 
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