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The virgin birth prophecy: out of context

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by Nihilist Virus, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. -57

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    The BB never happened. How it was caused belongs in your "scientific" realm. Something for you to explain...or not.
    It points directly towards the need for a creator. A creator who exist outside of time.
     
  2. HitchSlap

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    Who created the creator?
     
  3. Nihilist Virus

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    OK so you've established that your creator exists outside of time. Which of these three would you choose?

    A) God created time.
    B) Time always existed, independently of God. So there is an infinite progression of time into both the past and the future. At some point, God created things inside time.
    C) Time spontaneously appeared.

    Or are there other options I'm missing?
     
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    There was no need to create the creator.
     
  5. -57

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    A....God created time. The expanse, the fabric of space.

    Which would you choose?
     
  6. HitchSlap

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    Was there a need to create a universe?
     
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    Whether there was or not....one was created. Because one was created I would suggest there was a reason.
     
  8. HitchSlap

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    Why, because everything happens for a reason?
     
  9. Tree of Life

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    Would you be interested in participating in a formal debate on this issue? We can let the peanut gallery decide whose case is more convincing.
     
  10. Nihilist Virus

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    The only neutral site I'm aware of is debatingchristianity.com, although it may have been overrun with atheists by now.
     
  11. Tree of Life

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    You wouldn't want to have a formal debate here on CF?
     
  12. Nihilist Virus

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    Sure, but first you need to go through this thread and see how many Christians already disagree with your position. If you won't see it now, then you won't see it later and thus there would be no point.
     
  13. Tree of Life

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    Ok I've reviewed it. I'll get things started over at the Formal Debate Proposal forum.
     
  14. Tree of Life

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    Do you have a better suggestion?
     
  16. Nihilist Virus

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    It's not a matter of choice. It's a matter of truth. I kind of set you up there.

    In any case, if you choose/believe that God created time, then causality was not involved. Again,

    Space and time must already exist in order for a causal event to occur. "Causality" is shorthand for "processes act on a system to take it from one state to another over a duration of time." So in a reality wherein time does not exist, causality does not exist.

    So God could not have caused time to exist unless you believe he can perform logically impossible tasks.
     
  17. 2PhiloVoid

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    ... who knew that staying on the topic of the OP would be so challenging? :rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2017
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