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The Vaccine prevents Covid and so do Masks !!!!

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by johnjanuary1984, Aug 6, 2022.

  1. Sabertooth

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    1. No potential side effects were announced here (until Omicron, at least).
    2. The whole reason why side effects are stated is so those considerations can inform one's choice to receive said med/vaccine or not...
    3. We were told that these had no side effects AND we must receive it to stay employed.
     
  2. expos4ever

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    You are conveniently evading my argument which exposes the error in your reasoning.

    Quoting a slogan does not the change the fact your reasoning has been shown to be incorrect.
     
  3. expos4ever

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    A falsehood, by any reasonable standard.
     
  4. expos4ever

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    I was unclear.

    By any reasonable standard, it is a falsehood to assert that you were told the vaccines had no side effects.

    The side effects were very clearly advertised.
     
  5. Sabertooth

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    Then why was rejection (based on stated side effects) not accepted?

    IIRC, possible heart problems were not acknowledged until Omicron.
     
  6. expos4ever

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    The facts are clear: side effects that were known were acknowledged from the beginning. What people did, or did not do with that information is another matter.

    Even if this is true, there are benign explanations - perhaps evidence for side effects only became apparent after the vaccines were deployed.

    If you have any credible evidence that there has been any systematic attempt to hide side effects, by all means present it.
     
  7. Sabertooth

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    So you are saying, "Now that the cat is out of the bag, go back and prove that the cat was ever concealed...?"
     
  8. Sabertooth

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    well ... early on there were a lot of unknowns .... now there is more known ... but not all known.

    When people who are vaccinated get COVID-19 get a breakthrough infection, they are much less likely to experience severe symptoms than people who are unvaccinated.

    Less likely? Maybe ... from people I know who got covid this has seemed to be the case.

    Leave the decisions up to the people as to what they want to do.
     
  10. Sabertooth

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    Then Texas entertained giving vaccinated people preferential standing in their ICUs...

    2021-08-19 article in OP,
    Vaccination status may determine ICU priority
     
  11. eleos1954

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    this was back in 2021 .... did they do that? Don't think so.
     
  12. expos4ever

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    You are evading.

    Do you have any credible evidence of any misleading information presented with respect to vaccine side effects?

    I would fully expect that, given the number of health and other authorities involved, there would be some instances where vaccine side effects were misrepresented.

    But it would be cherry-picking to highlight these and conclude that the authorities have systematically been representing side effects, as you are clearly implying they have.
     
  13. Sabertooth

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    Show me an earlier example of warning about heart inflammation.
     
  14. Aussie Pete

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    Who told you that there were no side effects of vaccines? It was published information in Australia. I checked for myself and I spent weeks considering my options. I've had 3 jabs with no ill effects whatever. I no longer wear a mask.

    The side effects of COVID were pretty obvious. Death or chronic health problems are the main ones. No, not everyone suffered. However, Australia has one of the world's better health systems. It's still swamped with patients because the COVID overload has yet to be cleared. It does not help that many of the victims of COVID were initially health workers. That was before PPE was mandated for hospital staff.

    I was seriously ill in hospital 2 years ago, when COVID was rampant. I was treated immediately. There are people who desperately need treatment who can't get it, because COVID still has yet to run its course.

    Conspiracy theorists make no sense to me. If the rulers of the world wanted to cull the population, all they would have to do is let COVID run it's course and stop developing vaccines. They would stop grain being shipped from Ukraine and let Africa starve to death. They would stop educating people about the risk of AIDS and let people die, same with Ebola and other terrible diseases. The opposite is happening.
     
  15. Sabertooth

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    I am not proposing that there is a conspiracy. My family has two unusual health conditions that were not discovered until my wife & I were in our twenties & thirties, because they were generally asymptomatic.

    Neither of us had a bad reaction to the usual vaccines and we endorsed them. (We still endorse all but three of the current routine ones.)
    They changed the formulation of one of them in 1979 which, in combination with our family's aforementioned conditions, seriously injured two of our children. Without accusing anyone of conspiracy, we will not consider any vaccine that has not yet been proven safe for those with alpha-one anti-trypsin deficiency nor immune dysregulation.

    We are willing to take a chance on vaccines developed using pre-1979 methods --like Valneva-- because they have been so reliable up until now.
     
  16. Aussie Pete

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    I won't have flu shots. I react so badly that I may as well have the flu. I've had only the slightest reaction to mRNA vaccine.
     
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  17. Sabertooth

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    We can stand the flu shots just fine, sometimes with a fever & chills. I had a fever & chills with the shingles vax, but it was over quickly.
     
  18. expos4ever

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    Your position only has merit if you can show that the authorities knew about the heart inflammation issue and did not publicize it as a side effect.

    This is your claim, it is incumbent on you to substantiate it.

    Now then, do you have any evidence that any authorities played down a know heart inflammation side effect?
     
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  20. Sabertooth

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    I heard about heart problems through word-of-mouth testimony long before it was officially recognized through media channels.

    I have no way of substantiating that.

    You are missing the larger point. When such warnings ARE offered, it is so people can decide if they are willing to assume that risk or not. Rejection of the vaccine on those grounds becomes an acceptable choice.
     
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