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The Unpardonable Sin

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I do not agree with your conclusion, nor with the book you pasted from.

Indeed, because many Messianics have a lack of hermeneutics...they capitalize on what is Hebraic and fail on just about everything else. Fruchtenbaum is one of the few Messianic theologians who is consistent and doesn't manipulate the Words of Scripture to make himself think himself holier than those in "Christianity." It intrigues me how so many believe they honor the Law of Moses by breaking it apart and, in essence, they truly dishonor it, misunderstand it, belittle it, and open the floodgates of poor theology. A ROOD awakening, indeed.

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The unpardonable sin is...the world.

Ever care to look at the context??? I think that was the longest dissertation I've ever waded through, hoping that you would actually discuss the topic. But like Rood and Juster and most Messianics the obvious is rarely that...and that which is spiritual is never seen (or it is believed to be quacking like a duck in Toronto). How the pendulum swings. It's just too bad that more folks don't appreciate how balanced, and Scripturally grounded Fruchtenbaum is. Indeed, the health benefits of kashrut must be justified further by the naive belief that the rules are mandatory today....
 
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I too love Fruchtenbaum. Let me give my take on the unpardonable sin here, as I read/skimmed some that I'm not sure I totally agreed with, or at least that were far too wordy and confusing.

The unpardonable sin (heretofore to be referred to as US)can not be performed today. Look at the context of what is happening in Matthew. In the first 12 chapters you have Jesus being attested as Messiah. His birth from David shows it; his fulfillment of OT prophecy shows it; His sermon on the mount shows it; His miracles show it.

Now what was the early message that was being preached? Read Matthe 4:17 - Jesus message was "Repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand." He was offering the Jews the Kingdom. Look into Matthew 10 when He first sent out the disciples. Notice Jesus' instructions in verses 5-7, He told them specifically to only go to Israel, to avoid any not of Israel, and what was the message? Again it was "Repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand." Even later in Matthew He told the syro-pheonecian woman that He "came for the house of Israel." Jesus came offering the Kingdom.

Now with that background, look at what happens in Matthew 12.

22Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.
23All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, "This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?"

The people had heard Yeshua's testimony of who He was. They had seen the miracles performed by the Holy Spirit through Christ. They were begining to wonder if this could be Messiah. But what happened next?


24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26"If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27"If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29"Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come

Now the Pharisees come and try to get people stirred up that these miracles, which attested to Christ, were not from God but from the devil. That was the unpardonable sin. They had rejected the three-fold witness of God. The Father testified of Christ, Christ testified of Himself, and the works of the Holy Spirit testified to who He was. When John the Bpatist sent men to Jesus to ask if He was really the Christ what did Christ say? He gave His miracles as a defense of who He was. And it was those workings that these people were rejecting and attributing to Satan, and that was the unpardonable sin.

NOW PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY NEXT.The three most important things in reading Scripture are context, context and context. Notice what Jesus says just after his statement of the unpardonable sin, as we have come to call it.

33"Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit.

34"You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.
35"The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.
36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment.
37"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." 38Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."

39But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet;
40for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41"The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.
42"The Queen of the South will rise up with this generation at the judgment and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
43"Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
44"Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45"Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Time after time after time He condemned what at that time was "THIS generation". The unpardonable sin was a sin commited by the Jews of that day in rejecting the threefold witness of the godhead to who Christ was, and it would not be forgiven them, and it would be punished in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
 
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I do not agree with your conclusion, nor with the book you pasted from.

The unpardonable sin is that which gets ones name blotted out of the book of Life, without remedy.

In the beginning, before YHWH made Adam, all individual persons who would ever come into their being as the seed of Adam were written in the Book of Life.

The fall was known before we came into our being, and the redemption was planned, pre-creation, in the Lamb who was to come, who was "slain from the foundation of the world".

He came to ransom every person in Adam, to bring them back to the Father, for the glory, whose names were all written in that book before they ever came to "be".

Those who get their names blotted out will suffer the second death, as reprobates, but they had the offer of the Life, in being lighted with the Light that lights every man that comes into the world, first, while they had their being, lived in their bodies, on earth, during their lives, which Light they rejected, or by blaspheming, got the names blotted out, without remedy.

There is no remedy for those who become reprobates after having known the Name that is above every name that is named by revelation of the Holy Spirit, and then denying that His name is the only name by which man may be saved.

To deny knowing Jesus is not the unforgivable sin, as Peter denied and was sorry and was forgiven and restored .

To blaspheme in ignorance is not the unforgivable sin, as Paul blasphemed, and did it in ignorance and was forgiven.

To murder is not the unforgivable sin, as David murdered Uriah indirectly, by having him sent to fight where he would be killed, and He was forgiven.

To backslide is not the unforgivable sin, as God is calling Israel always from her backslidings -and also the seven Churches to which Jesus wrote through John, in Asia, had those in some of them who had backslidden, but the call was to return.

Those who deny they know Him are not reprobates, but those who know by revelationo, that He is the Savior of them and the world, who then deny that He did save them or that He is the Savior, and say that there is another Way, are the reprobates.

Judas' name was blotted out of the Book of the Living, and that is without remedy.

Hebrews 6 speaks of one, Jew or Gentile, who turns back from saying the blood of Jesus Christ was the Atonement which made peace with God for them, and who seek another way after having known the Way, by the Spirit of Revelation.

There remains no more sacrifice for sin, at that point.

The book of Life has each of our names in it if we are born as Adam's seed, and in our own lives, we must seek the Light that lights every man that comes into the world, and if we do, He will give us more Light, and if we follow after, He leads us to Christ...while we live our own lives in our own bodies while we have our own being intact on this earth: or else, if we do not seek the Light that lights us -seeking us first- then He will not give us more Light, so that our condemnation will not be greater on that day, for He is a God of Mercy: but at some point of rejection, after many warnings of conviction of spirit -the Light of conscience- there is the danger of being blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life.
But as long as there is breath, there is hope that one may repent and turn to the LORD, calling out to the Light that Lights every man that comes into the world.
yesterdog,
I did not say
The unpardonable sin is...the world.
perhaps you got my post confused with another?
-and I am not a "Messianic" in the sense you are using that word.
I am a born again Believer in the LORD Jesus Christ, who is the Living Spirit come in the human flesh of the New or second human being creation, the end, goal, finish, of the Law; as His New Man body is the Mercy Seat of heaven which Moses received the pattern of to copy to be the schoolmaster to instruct us of the heavenly truths which do not change, and all have their appointed season to be fulfilled.

I am a Gentile who has been grafted into the "Tree" the True Oil, the Root which bears His namesake nation, and Who has now come in flesh of the "New Man" as the Foundation Stone of the House for the glory of the Father to indwell in the regeneration....
He came to ransom the lost and restore the kingdom as the Legal Possessor of the kingdom by His Ransoming blood and to adopt the cleansed seed of His brother, Adam, and by that adoption He is then the New "Ish" and the Ishyah are those Adopted into His Living Spirit who will be regenerated in His New Man bodily image.

Genesis to revelation tells us the One Way back to being sons of God as we were first written in the Book of Life to be, in Adam -but not in Adam, the cut off -dead- spirit [Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15]- but in The Living Spirit, Christ, who has come in the second human being creation called ISrael -versus Adam [Genesis 5:2; Isaiah 49] as Kinsman -which word is "Redeemer"- to be the New and only living "Ish" of this earth [which Adam was first made to be, to bring forth the sons of God for the Father's glory to indwell].

The namesake people were chosen from the Gentiles for the making of that name for the Father to indwell in His glory in the regeneration of all things.

The unpardonable sin is that blasphemy which is against the Holy Spirit's inner "revealing" to one, of the New Man's Name as our Only Salvation, and the denial of that Truth revealed inside is the unpardonable sin. There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved; Salvation is in His name alone: Once knowing that Truth, then going after another way, or name, is unpardonable, and does despite to the Spirit of Grace.
Paul said he "blasphemed in ignorance"; so blasphemimg against the Name in "revealed knowledge" is that unpardonable sin; All other sins are forgivable.

Judas denied and quite plainly got [as recorded in Scripture] his name blotted out of the Book of Life; which has all names of the sons of Adam written in it, to be sons of God; but, since the fall, to be so in the ransom of them and the adoption of them by the Acceptable Sacrifice made for them in the fullness of times by the Kinsman, who does the duty of Kinsman and who is "YHWH"; in the second Person, come in second created human being flesh; who had the power and the will to perform the duty of Kinsman.
 
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The unpardonable sin cannot be committed today.

Oh watch the fur fly on this one.
I had to laugh out loud on yur quote! hehehe

I really believe that you can committed the unpardonable sin and here is why.

If anyone dies not excepting Jesus as their Savior, has committed that great sin. God cannot nor will not except anyone who does not know Christ as their Lord and Savior. So, in a sense they have committed the unpardonable sin. That is a sin God himself can not forgive.

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There has been much question and inaccurate information of late about the nature of “unpardonable sin” that I felt it needs to be explained from a scholar’s Scriptural standpoint and not the TV preachers point of view.

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum for those who don’t know is a Hebrew scholar and Christian writer of many books on prophecy and history from the expert perspective only available to someone with a Jewish background.

Originally from Dr. A Fruchenbaum’s website at www.ariel.org



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]INTRODUCTION[/FONT]



A study on the five warnings of the Book of Hebrews is important for two reasons. The first reason is that these are the passages which people generally use to teach that one can lose one’s salvation. Second, these passages are usually interpreted from a modern, Gentile perspective, even by those who believe in eternal security. But a proper understanding of these Scriptures requires viewing them from the Jewish perspective of the first century.



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]THE PURPOSE OF THE BOOK OF HEBREWS[/FONT]



The Book of Hebrews was written to a body of Jewish believers in the Land of Israel, believers who were seriously considering going back into Judaism because of the severe persecution they were facing. They thought that they could temporarily give up their salvation and go back into Judaism until the persecution subsided. Then, they could accept the Messiah all over again, and their new salvation would erase the sin of the previous apostasy. That was the option they thought they had. Therefore, the writer of Hebrews wanted to write to them and tell them that they do not have the option they think they have: they do not have the option of giving up their salvation; going back into Judaism; and being saved again later.



They do have one of two options. The first is to go back into Judaism, an option that would not mean the loss of their salvation but rather, the loss of their physical life. Often in Gentile thinking, the assumption is that the word "save" or "salvation" only refers to spiritual salvation. Frequently however, in Jewish writings, it has to do with physical salvation, and that is the way these passages in the Book of Hebrews need to be understood. As seen when the five warnings are given, each is correlated with physical judgment and physical death in the Old Testament. Hence, these Jewish believers did not have the option of giving up their salvation and being able to be saved again later. They did have the option to go back into Judaism, but that would mean that they would suffer the judgment of A.D. 70—the judgment for the Unpardonable Sin —and suffer in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. They would lose their physical lives.



Their second option was to make the break from Judaism once and for all complete, and press on to spiritual maturity. The writer wants to encourage them to press on to spiritual maturity and so, he shows how the Messiah is superior to three main pillars of Judaism: angels, Moses, and the Levitical System. To go back to Judaism is to go back to something inferior, because that which they have in the Messiah is so much more superior. He basically follows a logical development, a logical argument; however, five times he deviates from his topic to give a warning based upon what he has just said. Space will only allow a discussion of four of these warnings.



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]THE FIRST WARNING - Hebrews 2:1-4[/FONT]



The first of the five warnings of Hebrews is a parenthetical warning on the danger of drifting away. Verse 1 starts with the word Therefore, a logical connective. He is building on what he had just said in chapter 1. His point in chapter 1 is that Yeshua (Jesus) is superior to angels. Therefore¾ for that very reason¾ we must pay close attention to what he is about to say. Why? lest [they] drift away from it; drift away like a boat that is untied from its mooring will drift out to sea. The Greek word means: "to flow beside or past; to slip off; to slip under; to slip into the wind; to disappear from memory." The emphasis is: that which they have learned, they must not let flow away, to disappear from memory or slip away. His point is that revelation, through the mediation of the Son, carries far more solemn obligations for the recipients than revelation which was mediated through angels or men. God used men to give revelation and God used angels to give revelation. In light of the fact that Yeshua is superior to angels, they must give more earnest heed to what He has revealed.



Then, in verses 2-3a, he points out the impossibility of escaping. This gives the reason why they must pay very close attention. In Greek, it is a first class condition which assumes a fulfilled condition, not merely a possibility: if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast. Did the revelation that came through angels prove steadfast? It certainly did, and sin received its just punishment. But the punishment he is talking about is physical punishment. The word just recompense, or "just punishment" does not refer to the loss of salvation but to the loss of temporal blessings in the form of divine discipline. There are some clear examples in the Old Testament: in Leviticus 10, Nadab and Abihu sinned, and they were stricken dead; in Numbers 16, Korah, Dathan and Abiram rebelled and they were stricken dead; in Joshua 7, Achan disobeyed, and he was stricken dead. The punishment of the Law was not loss of salvation; the punishment of the Law was physical death. If that were true under the Law, how much more is it true of revelation given by the Son!



He concludes in verses 3b-4 "How can anyone escape if they neglect a salvation mediated through the Son?" The phrase: how shall we escape implies that there is no escape possible from a just recompense of reward. It will mean discipline in this life (Hebrews 12:5-11), and it will certainly mean physical death in the coming judgment. The point is that salvation is in their possession, but they are neglecting it or becoming indifferent to it. By neglecting their salvation, believers may put themselves into a position requiring divine discipline. Therefore, the warning is that they must give heed to revelation given by the Son, because He is superior to angels.



[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]THE SECOND WARNING - Hebrews 3:7-4:13[/FONT]



The background to the passage:



The background to what the author is writing about here is in Numbers 13-14; the sin at the Oasis of Kadesh-Barnea. It was here that two of the spies said they could take the Land, while ten said they could not possibly take the Land. The result was a massive rebellion against the authority of Moses and Aaron, who nearly lost their lives in a mob-scene until God intervened. At that point, God entered into a specific judgment against the generation that came out of Egypt. The judgment was that all those who came out of Egypt would continue wandering in the wilderness until forty years had passed. During those forty years, all that came out of Egypt would die, except for the two good spies and those under the age of twenty. Therefore, the "Exodus Generation" lost the privilege of entering the Land. It would be the next generation, the "Wilderness Generation," that would be allowed to enter into the Land under Joshua. The judgment meant that the Exodus Generation was now subject to divine judgment; but the judgment is physical¾ not spiritual in the loss of salvation. In fact, Numbers 14:20 does say that the people repented; it even goes on to say that God forgave the sin. It did not affect anyone’s individual salvation, but the physical consequences of their sin did need to be paid. Once a point of no return is reached, no matter how much repenting one does thereafter, the fact of coming physical judgment cannot be changed. And that is what happened in this case. Even Moses had to die outside the Land because of a specific sin he committed, though this did not affect his individual salvation. Here again, the correlation is: In the Old Testament, the issue is physical death and loss of temporal blessings, but not the loss of salvation.



In Hebrews 3:1-6, the writer pointed out that Jesus the Messiah, is superior to Moses. The massive rebellion occurred under the ever-faithful Moses. Now, One greater than Moses has been here. Will there be another massive rebellion by the Jewish believers?



The admonition against disobedience (Hebrews 3:7-19):



The author begins in Hebrews 3:7-19, with a strong admonition against disobedience, starting with the Old Testament lesson of verses 7-11, which is based upon the sin of Kadesh-Barnea and based upon the Son being greater than Moses. Again he uses the word Wherefore: in light of the fact that Yeshua is greater than Moses, do not apostatize through disobedience. The Exodus Generation failed to enter into the rest of the Promise Land. God sentenced them to physical death outside the Land. The Promised Land is not a type of Heaven, but a type of rest. The point is that a redeemed people may lose blessings, the enjoyment of which were based upon continuous faith. Although they were forgiven for the sin of unbelief, they suffered the physical consequences of unbelief and forfeited the rest that they could have enjoyed in the Promised Land. The judgment was a physical judgment, a physical death. Here again, the issue is not eternal salvation, but rather, that disobedience may result in temporal, physical judgment and the loss of future rewards.



Having dealt with the Old Testament lesson, he now gives the application of the lesson in verses 12-15. Believers ought to beware because they are responsible for their own conduct. They are warned against developing an evil heart of unbelief and parting from the living God as did the Exodus Generation. The sin is deceitful because it tricks them into thinking this is the best way out of their present situation of being persecuted for the faith.



Then, in verses 16-19, he gives the interpretation of the lesson by asking three questions. The first question (v. 16): "Who were the provokers?" The answer: The very people God rescued provoked Him. The very ones who had been delivered from bondage and started out for the Promised Land by faith were the ones who missed the life and Land of rest and because of unbelief. The second question (v. 17): "Who is it that sinned?" Answer: Those who died. But, again, this was physical death. They sinned and suffered its physical consequences. The punishment was physical death because not all who died were spiritually lost. The third question (v. 18): "To whom did He say they would not enter into rest?" Answer: The Exodus Generation. In verse 19, he draws his conclusion:
they could not reach the rest they started out for by faith because of unbelief. The rest is that of the Promised Land. Rebellion meant the loss of promised blessings. Notice that Israel did not lose its status as a redeemed people; they were still the redeemed, chosen people of God. But they did lose the blessing of the Promised Land, and a life of peace and rest in the Land.



The application to the generation of the Book of Hebrews is that they are in a very similar danger. It had been forty years since the Crucifixion, or close to it. Forty years in the wilderness meant that many died. It is nearly forty years now, will many die in the A.D. 70 destruction? They will, if they go back into Judaism just to escape persecution.


(continued ...)
Since when do we have to go to non christian sorces
to back up our belief, is there something wrong with
the Church.
Ron
 
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I too love Fruchtenbaum. Let me give my take on the unpardonable sin here, as I read/skimmed some that I'm not sure I totally agreed with, or at least that were far too wordy and confusing.

The unpardonable sin (heretofore to be referred to as US)can not be performed today. Look at the context of what is happening in Matthew. In the first 12 chapters you have Jesus being attested as Messiah. His birth from David shows it; his fulfillment of OT prophecy shows it; His sermon on the mount shows it; His miracles show it.

Now what was the early message that was being preached? Read Matthe 4:17 - Jesus message was "Repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand." He was offering the Jews the Kingdom. Look into Matthew 10 when He first sent out the disciples. Notice Jesus' instructions in verses 5-7, He told them specifically to only go to Israel, to avoid any not of Israel, and what was the message? Again it was "Repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand." Even later in Matthew He told the syro-pheonecian woman that He "came for the house of Israel." Jesus came offering the Kingdom.

Now with that background, look at what happens in Matthew 12.

22Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed him, so that the mute man spoke and saw.
23All the crowds were amazed, and were saying, "This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?"

The people had heard Yeshua's testimony of who He was. They had seen the miracles performed by the Holy Spirit through Christ. They were begining to wonder if this could be Messiah. But what happened next?


24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."
25And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26"If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand?
27"If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
28"But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29"Or how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

31"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come

Now the Pharisees come and try to get people stirred up that these miracles, which attested to Christ, were not from God but from the devil. That was the unpardonable sin. They had rejected the three-fold witness of God. The Father testified of Christ, Christ testified of Himself, and the works of the Holy Spirit testified to who He was. When John the Bpatist sent men to Jesus to ask if He was really the Christ what did Christ say? He gave His miracles as a defense of who He was. And it was those workings that these people were rejecting and attributing to Satan, and that was the unpardonable sin.

NOW PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY NEXT.The three most important things in reading Scripture are context, context and context. Notice what Jesus says just after his statement of the unpardonable sin, as we have come to call it.

33"Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit.

34"You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.
35"The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil.
36"But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment.
37"For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." 38Then some of the scribes and Pharisees said to Him, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."

39But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation craves for a sign; and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah the prophet;
40for just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41"The men of Nineveh will stand up with this generation at the judgment, and will condemn it because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.
42"The Queen of the South will rise up with this generation at the judgment and will condemn it, because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and behold, something greater than Solomon is here.
43"Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it.
44"Then it says, 'I will return to my house from which I came'; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45"Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation."

Time after time after time He condemned what at that time was "THIS generation". The unpardonable sin was a sin commited by the Jews of that day in rejecting the threefold witness of the godhead to who Christ was, and it would not be forgiven them, and it would be punished in the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

I couldn't agree more.:amen:
 
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yesterdog,
I did not say
perhaps you got my post confused with another?

Sorry, I may have confused posts. But I didn't see a solid Scriptural backing for what you think it is.

-and I am not a "Messianic" in the sense you are using that word.
I am a born again Believer in the LORD Jesus Christ, who is the Living Spirit come in the human flesh of the New or second human being creation, the end, goal, finish, of the Law; as His New Man body is the Mercy Seat of heaven which Moses received the pattern of to copy to be the schoolmaster to instruct us of the heavenly truths which do not change, and all have their appointed season to be fulfilled.

The Greek word is best translated as "end." You'll see James use the same word when he refers to "perfect." It is finality...supremacy...it is the end. I'm not disagreeing with you. It's just that "goal" is incorrect in my opinion. This take us to the Greek word that the KJV translated as "schoolmaster." The pedagogue in Greco/Roman/Judaic times was not the proper teacher, or schoolmaster. The KJV did a great disservice in translating the word as such. The proper teacher is "didaskolos." The Law of Moses was a pedagogue for Israel. Look up pedagogue in the dictionary and you'll see what it was.

I am a Gentile who has been grafted into the "Tree" the True Oil, the Root which bears His namesake nation, and Who has now come in flesh of the "New Man" as the Foundation Stone of the House for the glory of the Father to indwell in the regeneration....

Where does Scripture say you're grafted into True Oil? The root of the Olive Tree is the Abrahamic Covenant, through which we are blessed even as we remain wild olive branches. We never change being wild olive branches. But we are blessed through the Abrahamic Covenant...through the Seed, which is Yeshua.

He came to ransom the lost and restore the kingdom as the Legal Possessor of the kingdom by His Ransoming blood and to adopt the cleansed seed of His brother, Adam, and by that adoption He is then the New "Ish" and the Ishyah are those Adopted into His Living Spirit who will be regenerated in His New Man bodily image.

Ish?

The unpardonable sin is that blasphemy which is against the Holy Spirit's inner "revealing" to one, of the New Man's Name as our Only Salvation, and the denial of that Truth revealed inside is the unpardonable sin. There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved; Salvation is in His name alone: Once knowing that Truth, then going after another way, or name, is unpardonable, and does despite to the Spirit of Grace.
Paul said he "blasphemed in ignorance"; so blasphemimg against the Name in "revealed knowledge" is that unpardonable sin; All other sins are forgivable.

I've known people who have sinned this...and been forgiven. You really must go outside the context to create such a view. But carry on, if you like.
 
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I've known people who have sinned this...and been forgiven. You really must go outside the context to create such a view. But carry on, if you like.
working backwards.
No you have not known people who have sinned "like this" for if they had, there would be no more sacrifice for sin and they would be hardened beyond ability to seek the Light they had sought and found, and denied; for when the name is blotted out of the Book of Life, of a reprobate, there is no rewriting of that name in that Book which was written from the foundation of the world and had pre-written in it all the seed of Adam to come forth as sons of God in Adam, and then, at the fall, to be the ransom list of names Christ come in flesh came to ransom back, for the Father''s glory to indwell.

This is the most serious misrepresentation of the fall in Adam and the redemption in Christ taught us in the Word of God.
The names are written, called, from the foundation of the world; the name of "a called" in Adam can only be blotted out of the Book by one's own rejection of the Light or blasphemy of the Light that brought them to Christ.

Judas was such a one, as were the Pharisees who delivered Him to death knowing, with understanding, that He was the Promised Messiah, the Son of God who was to come.
Their names were blotted out of the Book of Life without remedy, as the Word of God tells us.



You may have known people who 'accept Jesus Christ as Savior" and who backslide and return -which is the call of YHWH to all in Adam until we draw our last breath, which He gave us- or you may have known people who "accept Jesus Christ as Savior" who are drawn away into a Christ denying cult in ignorance of inner revelation of Christ and who come to their senses and return to Christ fully, in understanding [my son-in-law is one of those kind, and God made Himself known to Him when he sought to return to the faith of his childhood after wandering into: Watchtower; Hinduism; Buddhism; and Islam, in ignorance and blindness; which blindness was the result of the preachers and teachers of the "Christian" Church of his childhood, in not preaching the Gospel with understanding themselves, making 'Chirsitanity' as a club to join, so to speak, and not a conversion of the inner man to the New Man and a new life lived in Him.
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Jesus the Christ is the One who was to come who would put away the remembrance of sin forever, as promised from the beginning, and restore all things; and He was the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world who was to come in the fullness of times -in the appointed season- as the Seed of the Woman [Zion above] who would crush the head, or authority of the serpent and be Himself 'bruised'.

He came in flesh of the second human being creation, and His incarnation date is the date from which -backwards and forwards -all Adamkind is "blessed" [Haggai chapter 2, in the Hebrew]; for He came as the "Ish" [Isaiah 59], who had the power and the will to perform the will of God: to ransom the brother's dead seed and the brother's kingdom, and to bring the lost in Adam sons to the glory for the Father's indwelling which Adam was first made as a house for that glory to indwell and died to forever, without remedy, in the fall.

In Genesis the ishyah was taken from the ish.
She was to mother the living seed.
The living seed were created in the loins of the Ish, from whom the ishyah was taken.
The purpose of making Adam one spirit [Malachi 2:15] was to bring forth those godly seed =sons of God [Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15]; but the death of Adam, son of God, left earth without the ish who could perform the will of God, for in the death of Adam, "son of God", there were no godly sons of God =godly seed, then alive, in him; for what he was, the seed was; and when he died in spirit, all that is called Adam died in the spirit called Adam.

So the second Ish body was formed [the only Begotten son of God as the only Living Son of God in humankind flesh] was created [Isaiah 59] who is the servant, called "Israel" [Isaiah 49], the brother to Adam the dead [Genesis 5:2]; and is the Living Spirit, called Christ, come in the flesh of that second hman being creation to perform the will of God and to bring the seed to godliness, or to make them sons of God for the glory of the Father to indwell, as His house [humankind] not made with hands [Haggai 2, again, as the latter house which has more glory than the first].

The purpose of Adam's creation as 'male and female' was to multiply the sons of God "in Adam" and to fill the kingdom given to Adam and Ben Adam foever with those sons of God for His glory to indwell.

The rest of the story is the fall and redemption [the death in the defilement of Adam] bythe creation of the flesh nature brother to Adam, "Israel", who has the will and the power to do the duty of Kinsman -which word is "Redeemer"- to Adam and Adam's 'barren widow" who bore no living seed after all.

This is just dealing with that subject a bit, but the goal or end or finish of the Law is to come to Christ, who is Himself represented as the Mercy Seat in the living oracles, which were a pattern of the heavenly things which Moses saw to copy exactly, , and all who come to Him are represented as the Ark of the Covenant, itself, under His solid gold Mercy Seat body, which is in the Holy of Holies in the created temple in heaven, where the glory dwells.


Once perfected in Christ by the adoption in Him, coming to Him by the blood of Atonement, which is the final acceptable sacrifice which ended the remembrance of sin forever, we are at the goal, the finish, the end, of the Law which taught these truths as living oracles.
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Genesis 2:22,23 shows the picture of the “ 'ishshah” as the servant, husbandman, judge, of the Father’s kingdom prepared for him; and the rib YHWH took from Adam “made He an 'ishshah” and brought to Adam;
Adam said; the same [stroke selfsame] [1) bone, essence, substance
a) bone
1) body, limbs, members, external body
b) bone (of animal)
c) substance, self] flesh

[shall be] called
[1) to call, call out, recite, read, cry out, proclaim
a) (Qal)
1) to call, cry, utter a loud sound
2) to call unto, cry (for help), call (with name of God)
3) to proclaim
4) to read aloud, read (to oneself), read
5) to summon, invite, call for, call and commission, appoint, call and endow
6) to call, name, give name to, call by
b) (Niphal)
1) to call oneself
2) to be called, be proclaimed, be read aloud, be summoned, be named
c) (Pual) to be called, be named, be called out, be chosen

'ishshah
same taken [from]

'iysh

In Isaiah 49, YHWH looks and there is no 'iysh for earth, who can bring execute the judgment, the avenging, of the loss of it, and so He dons the Kinsman new creation flesh of the “'iysh” to do the duty of Kinsman for earth; which word, “Kinsman” is Redeemer.

The law of Kinsman precedes the Law of Moses, but is explained in
Deu 25:5 ¶If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the 'ishshah*** of the dead shall not marry without unto a 'iysh*** : her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to 'ishshah***, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

Deu 25:6And it shall be, [that] the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother [which is] dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

The cleansed adopted seed of the dead Adam become the 'ishshah of the New Creation 'iysh, the Servant, Fiorstborn, Judge, Avenger, of the kingdom first given to Adam and ben Adam.

All who are born again in Christ, who paid the Ransom required for their redemption and regeneration in His image, inherit the kingdom prepared in the beginning for the humankind sons of God; but in the New Man, not in Adam.

However: Enoch is the firstborn seed of Christ who is raised to the inheritance of his father, Adam, in the name of Adam, but born of Christ, the Self existing Everliving Spirit, according to the law of Kinsman.
 
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From the book BASIC BIBLE DOCTRINES, by Donald Webb.

THE BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

This subject of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is something that has been a considerable problem to many. We would like to interject here some brief comments on this issue. In Matthew 12:24-32 we find the exact definition of the unpardonable sin. The Lord had just healed a man possessed with a demon, and in verse 24 the Pharisees accused Him of casting out demons by Beelzebub or Satan. The Lord then laid a scathing rebuke against them for such a harsh judgment against Himself. He said in verse 28:

But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you (Matthew 12:28).

The Lord was demonstrating through the power of the Spirit that He was able to bind Satan and take out of the world such as He wanted. Their accusation attributed Christ's power, the work of the Holy Spirit, to Satan. Concerning this very sin, the Lord said:

Wherefore, I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, neither in the age to come. (Matthew 12:31,32).

Several things should be noted about this sin. First, Christ has to be present and performing miracles that manifest the kingdom in order for one to commit this sin. Second, the sin is that of attributing the Holy Spirit's power to Satan. No other sin will fit; this particular sin is the only one the context will allow. Third, no believer can commit this sin because believers are in Christ and all their sins are forgiven. Fourth, this sin could only be committed by an unbeliever in the age in which our Lord walked this earth or in the coming kingdom which He called the age to come. Such events cannot be applied to this secret dispensation of grace, but rather the millennium.

Believers need have no fear of committing this sin, and no one in this dispensation of grace can commit this sin because the Holy Spirit is not manifesting the kingdom with miraculous power. In this dispensation of grace God is not imputing men's trespasses unto them but is offering salvation by grace through faith to all.

God Bless.
Live Well, Laugh Often and Love the Lord!
 
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Oh for goodness sakes . . . vain disputings of things one knows nothing about . . . . .

Of course it can be committed today . . . I would not have been tested with it to the point of almost committing it if it could not be . . .

It is not what the OP indicates either . . .

Dispy has come very, very close . . . . however it is not attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to be those of the devil . . . .that is what sets one on the path to commit this sin . . . :(

I cannot and will not reveal what one has to say and do to commit it . . that would be foolishness in the extreme . .

However, let it be said that one cannot commit this sin without knowing exactly what it is they are doing and what it means.


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Oh for goodness sakes . . . vain disputings of things one knows nothing about . . . . .

Of course it can be committed today . . . I would not have been tested with it to the point of almost committing it if it could not be . . .

It is not what the OP indicates either . . .

Dispy has come very, very close . . . . however it is not attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to be those of the devil . . . .that is what sets one on the path to commit this sin . . . :(

I cannot and will not reveal what one has to say and do to commit it . . that would be foolishness in the extreme . .

However, let it be said that one cannot commit this sin without knowing exactly what it is they are doing and what it means.
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Your commentary did not refute what I posted. If it is in error, pluse publish correction from Scripture.
 
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Your commentary did not refute what I posted. If it is in error, pluse publish correction from Scripture.

It is in the very scripture you quoted . . . . they were not accused of commiting this sin, but warned against it because they had embarked upon this path . . . .



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It is in the very scripture you quoted . . . . they were not accused of commiting this sin, but warned against it because they had embarked upon this path . . . . .


Just more commentary. Not refuting anything.
 
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This is just a quick answer to the question and if the point has already been made, please forgive me. I have not read the comments yet.

The unpardonable sin was committed by a single generation of Jews, the generation of Jesus himself, and was a national sin. The house in the parable that Jesus gave in the chapter represented the house of Israel, whom he had prepared for his own entrance (In the form of the Holy Spirit) but had been rejected. Later, the unclean spirit would return and they would be worse off than before. This is the last generation of national Jews until 1948. This generation was judged in AD 70. The generation that witnesses the rebirth of Israel will see all the things mentioned by Jesus come to pass including the rapture and his glorious appearing. See Mt 24:32 and context before and aft! (BTW, the fig tree is the biblical symbol for national Israel).

Note: A bible generation is 70 years. 1948 to 2018 will complete the generation that saw Israel rise from the dead nationally from the graveyard of the nations. This means time is short and Jesus is coming for us soon.
 
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