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The Truth about the Brothers & Sisters

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by BrotherFinn, Jan 25, 2002.

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  1. Blackhawk

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    KC,

    Thanks for the post. And thanks for helping me understand Catholic doctrine better. I can agree with at least your definition of Co-redemptrix. I do think it is bad wording though. I guess that is why you said the Catholic church has "pulled back" the use of the term.

    Side note. My pastor, while preparing for a study of the Catholic church, found www.catholic.com. He said it really helped him learn the true teachings of the Catholic church and that they were orthodox. Just a little side note of interest since I see that you go there often.

    Blackhaw
     
  2. ZooMom

    ZooMom Thanks for the memories...

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    I just wanted to say how refreshing it is to see your responses to us here. Thank you so much for your kind attitude while maintaining your perfectly acceptable right to disagree. :)


    God bless...


    Sandy
     
  3. KC Catholic

    KC Catholic Everybody's gone surfin'...Surfin' U.S.A

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    No problem, sincerely!

    Yes, it is terrible wording...makes me think of "Dominatrix" and that thought could generate a lightening bolt - or two!

    Well, me brain aint large enough to carry around all that knowledge and I'm afraid I may mistate something and freak people out.

    What kind of study is your pastor giving? Is it like an overview of the Catholic teachings? Sounds interesting and its nice to see that others have discovered that we are orthodox in our teachings.

    Peace!
     
  4. savinggrc

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    KC...

    rotfl...oh my. I missed that the first time around. :D
     
  5. Blackhawk

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    "What kind of study is your pastor giving? Is it like an overview of the Catholic teachings? Sounds interesting and its nice to see that others have discovered that we are orthodox in our teachings."

    Actually the study was awhile ago. We did a study of all the major Christian denominations. What their history was and their doctrines etc. Most were given just one night. i.e. Lutherans, Presbyterians. The RCC was given 4 nights. The reason why I threw in that part about the RCC being orthodox was two- fold. One because my pastor learned a lot about the real teeachings of the church there and because of all the recent protestant proclamations that the RCC is heretical. In fact when my pastor said that it was not heretical he had a big fight with one of the congregation about it. She said that the RCC was a cult. I have also been to many discussion boards that say that the RCC is a cult. Which to me is crazy. If anything protestant churches are the cults although that would be a terrrible use of the word also. Okay I am ust rambling now.

    i would like to discuss more about tradition though. Maybe in another thread.

    Blackhaw
     
  6. ZooMom

    ZooMom Thanks for the memories...

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    AAAACCCKKK!!! :eek: <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/embarassed.gif ALT=":eek:">
     
  7. KC Catholic

    KC Catholic Everybody's gone surfin'...Surfin' U.S.A

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    Fire away.
     
  8. savinggrc

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    Blackhawk,

    Just so you know, it is not new for Protestants to say that the RCC is heretical. Go back to the Reformation. :)
     
  9. Blackhawk

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    "just so you know, it is not new for Protestants to say that the RCC is heretical. Go back to the Reformation."

    That was different however. Martin Luther would of loved to remain a Catholic if the RCC at that time had responded properly. They were doing some things that were not right (sale of indulgences) and they of course had some doctrinal differences. But Luther did not think that the RCC was a cult or that it was not true Christianity. So the reformation occured. It is a lot different than today when some protestant say that the RCC is a cult and everyone in it is basically going to hell. Way different.

    Blackhaw
     
  10. savinggrc

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    In intent, yeah, it's different. I rarely hear anymore the "every Catholic is going to hell" thing. Maybe 'cause I'm not Catholic, but I am Ind. Bapt. and they are generally one of the worst about relegating others to hell. ;) I'm, personally, more of the position that there are saved Catholics and there are lost Catholics - just as there are saved Baptists and lost Baptists. I was born a Baptist, but I've only been saved for 28 years. :)

    Karen
     
  11. Blackhawk

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    savinggrc,

    I agree with your post. Salvation is an individual thing. However know that there are people out there (and they seem to be growing) that either believe that all catholics are going to hell or that the Catholic church is a cult or heretical. And what I mean by heretical is not just that they are wrong about certain doctrines but wrong so much that they do not teach the gospel. I of course do not believe either one of the views above. I am not Catholic but I see that the Catholic church is orthodox and the humungous impact for good that the RCC has had in the history of the church and the world. I just disagree with the Catholic church on the nonessentials. Like some of what they believe about Mary here in this thread.

    blackhaw
     
  12. Tesseract

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    Can I just butt in and say something?

    I really like this place. This is the first philo-religious board Ive been to that hasnt degenerated into mudslinging and religious bashing. Everyone's respectful and diplomatic, and sincerely wants to know about other religions. Like Karen and Blackhaw (hello!). I mean, we have different religions, but we dont fight. It soo different in other places.

    Thank goodness I found this board :)
     
  13. KC Catholic

    KC Catholic Everybody's gone surfin'...Surfin' U.S.A

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    Amen Tesserkitt.

    The Lord has blessed us with a nice forum and good discussions.
     
  14. savinggrc

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    :)

    It is rather nice to be able to discuss it without being told that you're defaming the Church or attacking it. I have a friend and whenever we try to discuss anything, then he says we are attacking his faith. It's rather irritating - mostly because that's the line he uses when he's losing the argument. :D *snicker*
     
  15. KC Catholic

    KC Catholic Everybody's gone surfin'...Surfin' U.S.A

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    I think we Catholics tend to be a bit defensive. I know I can be and being a moderator in this forum has taught me to pull back and not take things so personal.

    I still have my moments, but moderating has, well, moderated my reaction.

    Glad you guys are here and are enjoying the forum. May the Lord continue to bless you both on your journey.

    KC
     
  16. The Thadman

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    Er, common misconception of the Aramaic language. The word for "brother" is "akko'" (some translitterations are "akha," "aha," "ah," or "akh", but it is spelled 'Olaf-Kkeyth-'Olaf (also translitterated Alif-Heth-Alif)) and the word for "brothers and sisters" is "akhe'." the word for cousin is "akhyono'," and the word for relatives/relations is "akhyone'." :)



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  17. pax

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    I would say the Patristic Fathers are an invaluable resource to Christians today. As some of the earliest Christians they can provide us with extreme insight on what the early Church believed. It seems extremely odd to me that if Mary wasn't perpetually a virgin so many of the Fathers insisted she was. The fact that some jewish women of that time period took a vow of virginity also seems to support this.

    Also, don't forget about the compelling evidence in the Gospels mentioned above about Mary wife of Clopas being the mother of James and Joses, two men who were also called the "bretheren of the Lord.
     
  18. pax

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    Culturally, however, I believe that if you were referring to someone's cousin and they lacked siblings the cousin would be referred to as a sibling because they are your closest generational relation.
     
  19. The Thadman

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    Culturally it was slang for "Italian family" (if you get my drift, i.e. if you're a blood relation, distant relation, or close friend, you're family :) ), nothing more. There were many times where people in the Bible used "akke'" where it would be inappropriate as slang (such as the "your mother and your brothers are outside waiting for you" situation, where he used a pun on a literal truth, turning the literal truth around by exchanging it with slang).

    Additionally, it would not be appropriate to use "akko'" as slang on a formal inscription, such as what was found on the James Ossuary.

    Shlomo,
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    -Steve-o
     
  20. Credo

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    Are you suggesting that the James Ossuary is referring to Jesus the Savior?
     
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