THE TRUE "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY/SUPERSESSIONISM" OF THE BIBLE

[jgr]

But scripture has given him the title nonetheless, even if it only appears in the epistles of John.

The title does not appear in Scripture outside of John's epistles.

 

[Contenders Edge]

I searched it. It does not exist.

You did not search hard enough. Otherwise, you would have found this cited on pg. 65-66 of your first source link:


"What! have we supplanted the Jews? No, but we are said to be their supplanters, for that for our sakes they were supplanted. If they had not been blinded, Christ would not have been crucified; His precious Blood would not be shed; if that Blood had not been shed, the world would not have been redeemed. Because then their blindness hath profited us, therefore hath the elder brother been supplanted by the younger, and the younger is called the Supplanter. But how long shall this be?...The time will come, the end of the world will come, and all Israel shall believe; not they who now are, but their children who shall then be."

 

[Contenders Edge]

The title does not appear in Scripture outside of John's epistles.

And that matters because? It is still in the scriptures and is tied to the one who will declare himself to be God at a unspecified time yet in a specific place.

 

[jgr]

You did not search hard enough. Otherwise, you would have found this cited on pg. 65-66 of your first source link:


"What! have we supplanted the Jews? No, but we are said to be their supplanters, for that for our sakes they were supplanted. If they had not been blinded, Christ would not have been crucified; His precious Blood would not be shed; if that Blood had not been shed, the world would not have been redeemed. Because then their blindness hath profited us, therefore hath the elder brother been supplanted by the younger, and the younger is called the Supplanter. But how long shall this be?...The time will come, the end of the world will come, and all Israel shall believe; not they who now are, but their children who shall then be."

Ah, "supplant". If only I'd known.

Does Augustine here or anywhere else declare or imply that Israel is a separate people of God who will be saved outside of the Church?

 

[jgr]

And that matters because? It is still in the scriptures and is tied to the one who will declare himself to be God at a unspecified time yet in a specific place.

It is not "still in the scriptures" outside of John's epistles.

That matters because no one should believe what is not there.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Ah, "supplant". If only I'd known.

Does Augustine here or anywhere else declare or imply that Israel is a separate people of God who will be saved outside of the Church?

What does the quote tell you?

 

[jgr]

What does the quote tell you?

It tells me "no". What does it tell you?

 

[Contenders Edge]

It is not "still in the scriptures" outside of John's epistles.

That matters because no one should believe what is not there.

But it is in the scriptures, even if only in the epistles of John and is the identity by whom this wicked man who is to come is known.

 

[Contenders Edge]

It tells me "no". What does it tell you?

It tells me that Israel will one day be saved and in being saved, they will be made a part of the Church yet retain their distinctiveness as a nation.

 

[BABerean2]

After those 483 years Messiah will be killed, but not for Himself. Well your preacher said the 483 years started at Jesus' Baptism by John in 27 AD (that is when He said the most holy was anointed by Israel), a re translation of what Baptism is. So sometime after Jesus baptism he had to die! Why would God speak in such specific time frames throughout this prophecy and then go dark as to meaning that after 483 years actually meant 3 1/2 more years? That is foolish!

Once again, you are ignoring the same concept found below in the 1599 Geneva Bible, in an attempt to make Dr. Kelly Varner out to be a lone fool.

Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

Do you deny that Christ's baptism was the beginning of His public ministry?

Do you deny that He was crucified 3 1/2 years later?


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[jgr]

But it is in the scriptures, even if only in the epistles of John and is the identity by whom this wicked man who is to come is known.

It is claimed to be known by the disciples of dispensational futurism.

No one else.

 

[jgr]

It tells me that Israel will one day be saved and in being saved, they will be made a part of the Church yet retain their distinctiveness as a nation.

Where does Augustine claim that they will retain their distinctiveness as a nation?

 

[Contenders Edge]

It is claimed to be known by the disciples of dispensational futurism.

No one else.

Then that would make dispensational futurists more knowledgeable in the scriptures than those who are not.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Where does Augustine claim that they will retain their distinctiveness as a nation?

Where does he claim they will cease to be a nation?

 

[jgr]

Then that would make dispensational futurists more knowledgeable in the scriptures than those who are not.

It makes dispensational futurists presumptive and speculative in the Scriptures.

The Reformers recognized the apostate papacy of their time as the predominant antichrist of their time.

They exemplified true knowledgeability in the Scriptures.

 

[jgr]

Where does he claim they will cease to be a nation?

They ceased to be a nation in 70 AD and were not a nation when Augustine wrote.

He further identified Israel:

"Therefore the people of God, the Christian people in this present time, is both Jacob and Israel, Jacob in fact, Israel in hope."

 

[Contenders Edge]

It makes dispensational futurists presumptive and speculative in the Scriptures.

The Reformers recognized the apostate papacy of their time as the predominant antichrist of their time.

They exemplified true knowledgeability in the Scriptures.

But the apostate papacy was not the foretold Anti-Christ and the reformers never put much emphasis on eschatology any way.

 

[Contenders Edge]

They ceased to be a nation in 70 AD and were not a nation when Augustine wrote.

He further identified Israel:

"Therefore the people of God, the Christian people in this present time, is both Jacob and Israel, Jacob in fact, Israel in hope."

To better rephrase the question, where did he state that they would never again become a nation?

 

[jgr]

But the apostate papacy was not the foretold Anti-Christ and the reformers never put much emphasis on eschatology any way.

Recognition of the papal antichrist was a foundational doctrine of the Reformation, and indispensable to its ultimate success, by God's grace and mercy.

The Reformers knew and understood more about the associated eschatology than any before or after.

Your and my spiritual liberties are directly attributable to their prophetic faith, vision, and sacrifice.

We would not be on this forum today without them.

 

[jgr]

To better rephrase the question, where did he state that they would never again become a nation?

Read his quote again.