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  1. HeartenedHeart

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    [Entry 03] [23 entries] [17 original sources]

    three highest powers” - Ms 27a, April 19, 1900, par. 13; April 19, 1900

    See also:

    Lt 253, November 18, 1903, par. 18; November 18, 1903

    Lt 53, January 26, 1904, par. 19; January 26, 1904

    Ms 106, April 30, 1904, par. 15; April 30, 1904

    Ms 108, April 30, 1904, par. 26; April 30, 1904

    Ms 50, May 21, 1904, par. 13; May 21, 1904

    RH, May 26, 1904, par. 15; May 26, 1904

    Ms 158, September 10, 1904, par. 27; September 10, 1904

    Ms 191, August 12, 1905, par. 20; August 12, 1905

    ST, August 16, 1905, par. 1; August 16, 1905

    SpTB07, 51.1 1906; 1906 (written November 18, 1905)

    Ms 180, May 5, 1907, par. 12; May 5, 1907

    Ms 61, June 27, 1907, par. 14; June 27, 1907

    Ms 67, June 20, 1908, par. 4; June 20, 1908

    PUR, July 2, 1908, par. 4; July 2, 1908

    SW, December 15, 1908, par. 3; December 15, 1908

    RH, August 12, 1909, par. 3; August 12, 1909


    Ev, 617.3; 1946, citing (SpTB07, 51.1 (1905))

    OHC, 157.4; 1961

    7ABC, 442.5; 1970, citing (Ev, 617.3 1946, citing (SpTB07, 51.1 (1905)))

    RC, 107.2; 1985

    6MR No. 347, 26.3; 1990, citing, (Letter 53, 1904, p. 6 (To Brother Prescott, January 26, 1904))

    2SAT, 287.3; 1994, citing (Ms 61, 1907)

    [connected with the words,

    In the presence of the three highest powers of heaven, -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ...”

    &, “As a Christian submits to the solemn rite of baptism, the three highest powers in the universe, --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, -- place their approval on his act, pledging themselves to exert their power in his behalf as he strives to honor God. ...”

    &,The three great powers of heaven pledge themselves to furnish the Christian with all the assistance he requires. The Spirit changes the heart of stone to the heart of flesh. And by partaking of the Word of God, Christians obtain an experience that is after the divine similitude. When Christ abides in the heart by faith, the Christian is the temple of God. Christ does not abide in the heart of the sinner, but in the heart of him who is susceptible to the influences of heaven.”

    &,The presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the three highest powers in the universe and those in whose name the believer is baptized, is pledged to be with every striving soul.”

    &, “--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, -- and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.”]

    [Entry 04] [10 entries] [2 original sources]

    the threefold name” - Ms 27a, April 19, 1900, par. 8; April 19, 1900

    See also:

    6T, 91.3; 1901

    Ev, 307.2; 1946, citing (6T, 91.3 1900)

    6BC, 1075.3; 1956, citing (MS 27 1/2, 1900)

    FLB, 145.4; 1958

    7ABC, 442.6; 1970, citing (6T, 91.3 1900)

    AG, 143.4; 1973

    LHU, 302.4; 1988

    CCh, 295.3; 1991

    2TT, 389.3; December 5, 2010​


    [Entry 05] [9 entries] [8 original sources]

    three great Worthies” - Ms 139, July 24, 1906, par. 15; July 24, 2006

    [connected with the words, “the Powers in heaven”]

    See also:

    Ms 95, October 20, 1906, par. 13; October 20, 1906

    Ms 95, October 20, 1906, par. 23; October 20, 1906

    Ms 95, October 20, 1906, par. 29; October 20, 1906

    Ms 145, November 3, 1906, par. 12; November 3, 1906

    1SAT, 363.1; 1906

    1SAT, 366.1; 1906

    1SAT, 367.3; 1906


    7MR No. 480, 267.2; 1990, citing (1SAT, 367.3, 1906)

    [Connected with the words,

    “Three personalities”


    & “... these three personalities ...”

    & “... the Powers in heaven ...”]


    [Entry 06] [6 entries] [3 original sources]


    three living persons of the heavenly trio” - Ms 21, November 1905, par. 11; November, 1905, printed (1906)

    See also:

    SpTB07, 63.2; November, 1905, printed (1906)

    BTS, March 1, 1906, par. 2; 1906


    Ev, 615.1; 1946, citing (SpTB07, 63.2 1906)

    HP, 336.2; 1967, citing (SpTB07, 63.2 1906)

    7ABC, 441.9; 1970, (citing Ev, 615.1 (1946), (citing SpTB07, 63.2 1906))​


    [Entry 07] [3 entries] [2 original sources]

    the great threefold power” - MS 11, February 5, 1901, [par. 8]; 1901

    See also:


    ST, June 19, 1901, par. 8; 1901

    6BC, 1102.4; 1956 citing (MS 11, February 5, 1901)
    [Connected with the words,
    “the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit”,

    & “these divine instrumentalities”,

    & “heavenly agencies”]
    [Entry 08] [3 entries] [1 original source]

    in the name of the threefold powers in the heavenly world” - Ms 45, May 14, 1904, par. 16; May 14, 1904

    See also:

    UL, 148.4; 1982

    6MR No. 411, 389.2; 1990 - citing (Ms 45, 1904, pp.9, 10 (“That They All May Be One,” May 14, 1904.))

    [connected with the words,

    “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”,

    & “imprint of the sacred name”,

    & “The three great and glorious heavenly characters are present on the occasion of baptism”,

    &
    All Heaven is represented by these three in covenant relation with the new life.”]​
     
  2. HeartenedHeart

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    [Entry 9A] [3 entries; 1 Uppercase] [2 original source]


    [Uppercase “Beings”]


    the three holiest Beings in heaven” - 1SAT, 367.3; 1906


    [Entry 9B] [3 entries; 2 Lowercase] [2 original sources]


    [Lowercase “beings”]


    the three holiest beings in heaven” - Ms 95, October 20, 1906, par. 29; October 20, 1906

    See also:

    7MR No. 480, 267.2

    1990, citing (1SAT, 367.3, 1906)


    [Entry 10] [1 entry] [1 original source]


    Three distinct agencies, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, ...” - Ms 27a, April 19, 1900, par. 22,23; 1900

    [connected with the words,

    “... work together for human beings. They are united in the work of making the church on earth like the church in heaven. They place the resources of heaven at the disposal of those who will appreciate and impart these spiritual treasures, multiplying them by using them to the glory of God. Every diligent effort to improve adds to the gifts we have. The powers of heaven work with human beings on the plan of multiplication.

    Christ came to the earth to set in operation a vast missionary work. Those who compose His church are to cooperate with Him by revealing His attributes. They are to act under the dictation of the Holy Spirit. Heavenly angels cooperate with those who seek to give to humanity the impress of the divine nature.”]
    [Entry 11] [1 entry] [1 original source]

    the fulness of the threefold powers” - Ms 45, May 14, 1904, par. 16; May 14, 1904

    [connected with the words,

    “in the name of the threefold powers in the heavenly world”,

    &
    “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”,

    &
    “imprint of the sacred name”,

    &
    The three great and glorious heavenly characters are present on the occasion of baptism”,

    &
    “All Heaven is represented by these three in covenant relation with the new life.”,

    &
    “the heavenly powers”]​

    [Entry 12] [1 entry; stated twice therein] [1 original source]

    Three personalities”; & ... these three personalities ...” - Ms 139, July 24, 1906, par. 15; July 24, 1906

    [connected with the words,

    ““Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.” Three personalities; and these three personalities are the pledged power from God that His people shall have, if they have been baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Now there is no excuse for souls to be left in ignorance and weakness if they will be gospel believers, if they will carry out these principles, and know that the three great Worthies, the Powers in heaven, are pledged to the church of God that will work in harmony with Christ's teachings.”]​

    [Entry 13] [1 entry] [1 original source]

    the three great personal powers, the authorities of heaven” - Lt 205, June 1901, par. 8; June 1901


    [Entry 14] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    the three great and glorious heavenly characters” - Ms 45, May 14, 1904, par. 18; May 14, 1904

    See also:

    6MR No. 411, 389.3; 1990, citing (Ms 45, 1904, pp. 9, 10 ("That They All May Be One," May 14, 1904))


    [Entry 15A] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    [Lowercase “powers”]

    three great, infinite powers are unitedly pledged to work in our behalf if we will cooperate with them.” - GCB April 4, 1901, Art A., par. 16; April 4, 1901, citing (Sermon at an early morning meeting, April 3, 1901, in the Battle Creek Tabernacle)

    [connected with the words,

    “We are baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and these three great, infinite ...”]​

    [Entry 15B] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    [Uppercase “Powers”]

    three great, infinite Powers are unitedly pledged to work in our behalf if we will cooperate with them.” - 2SAT 167.2; 1994, citing Manuscript 44, 1901 (Sermon at an early morning meeting, April 3, 1901, in the Battle Creek Tabernacle)

    [connected with the words,

    “We are baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, and these three great, infinite ...”]​

    [Entry 16] [3 entries] [2 original sources]

    three representatives of the heavenly authority” - Ms 57, April 19, 1902, par. 28; April 19, 1902

    See also:

    Lt 174, December 21, 1909, par. 3; December 21, 1909

    6MR No. 347, 29.3; 1990 citing (Letter 174, 1909, pp. 1,2 (To Sister Rambaugh, December 21, 1909.))

    [connected with the words,

    “Baptism is a most solemn ceremony. When men and women, truly converted, are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, these three representatives of the heavenly authority behold the scene, and accept the vows made by human agents to walk henceforth in the newness of life. In taking the baptismal vows, you have united with the highest powers in the heavenly courts, to live a life patterened after the life of Christ. ...”]​


    [Entry 17] [4 entries] [1 original source]

    ... the eternal heavenly dignitaries -- God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit -- arming them with more than mortal energy ...” - Ms 130, November 27, 1901, par. 52; November 27, 1901

    See also:


    Ev, 616.4; 1946, citing, (Manuscript 130, 1901)

    7ABC, 442.4; 1970, citing Ev, 616.4; 1946 citing, (Manuscript 130, 1901)

    16MR No. 1213, 204.4; 1990, citing, (Ms 130, November 27, 1901)
     
  3. HeartenedHeart

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    [Entry 18A] [2 entries] [1 original source]


    [“Godhead” after]


    The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the eternal Godhead ...” - Ms 45, May 14, 1904, par. 16; May 14, 1904

    [connected with the words,

    Ms 45, May 14, 1904, par. 16 - “The open path, the safe path of walking in the way of His commandments, is a path from which there is no safe departing. And when men follow their own human theories dressed up in soft, fascinating representations, they make a snare in which to catch souls. In the place of devoting your powers to theorizing, Christ has given you a work to do. His commission is, Go through and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Before the disciples shall compass the threshold, there is to be the imprint of the sacred name, baptizing the believers in the name of the threefold powers in the heavenly world. The human mind is impressed in this ceremony, the beginning of the Christian life. It means very much. The work of salvation is not a small matter, but so vast that the highest authorities are taken hold of by the expressed faith of the human agency. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the eternal Godhead is involved in the action required to make assurance to the human agent to unite all heaven to contribute to the exercise of human faculties to reach and embrace the fulness of the threefold powers to unite in the great work appointed, confederating the heavenly powers with the human, that men may become, through heavenly efficiency, partakers of the divine nature and workers together with Christ.”
    [Entry 18B] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    [“Godhead” before]

    The eternal Godhead --the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost --” - UL, 148.4; 1982, citing (Ms 45, May 14, 1904, rearranged from original)


    [Entry 19A] [8 entries; 7 Lowercase “themselves”] [5 original sources]

    [Lowercase “themselves”]

    The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” - Lt 12, January 21, 1901, par. 10; January 21, 1901

    See also:

    PH148, 5.3; 1901

    AUCR April 1, 1901, par. 10; April 1, 1901

    Needs July 4, 1903, par. 28 [CDROM, also cited Online as par. 30]; July 4, 1903

    RH May 2, 1912, par. 3; May 2, 1912


    7ABC 442.1; 1970

    AG 190.2; 1973

    [connected with the words,

    PH148 5.3 1901 -The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, should give Himself an offering for sin. What line can measure the depth of this love? God would make it impossible for man to say that He could have done more. With Christ He gave all the resources of heaven, that nothing might be wanting in the plan for man's uplifting. Here is love--the contemplation of which should fill the soul with inexpressible gratitude! [-6]

    Oh, what love, what matchless love! The contemplation of this love will cleanse the soul from all selfishness. It will lead the disciple to deny self, take up the cross, and follow the Redeemer. {PH148 5.3}”]


    [Entry 19B] [8 entries; 1 Uppercase “Themselves”] [5 original sources]

    [Uppercase “Themselves”]


    The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption.” - CH 222.2; 1923

    [connected with the words,

    CH 222.2 1923 -
    “Oh, what love, what matchless love! The contemplation of this love will cleanse the soul from all selfishness. It will lead the disciple to deny self, take up the cross, and follow the Redeemer. {CH 222.2}”​

    [Entry 20] [1 entry] [1 original source]

    Three distinct agencies, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, ...” - Ms 27a, April 19, 1900, par. 22,23; April 19, 1900

    [connected with the words,

    Three distinct agencies, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, work together for human beings. They are united in the work of making the church on earth like the church in heaven. They place the resources of heaven at the disposal of those who will appreciate and impart these spiritual treasures, multiplying them by using them to the glory of God. Every diligent effort to improve adds to the gifts we have. The powers of heaven work with human beings on the plan of multiplication.”]​


    [Entry 21] [3 entries] [1 original source]

    The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, powers infinite and omniscient, receive those who truly enter into covenant relation with God. They are present at every baptism, ...” - Ms 27a April 19, 1900, par. 10; April 19, 1900

    See also:


    6BC 1075.5; 1956, citing (Ms 27 1/2, 1900)

    AG 143.5; 1973
    [connected with the words,

    “to receive the candidates who have renounced the world and have received Christ into the soul temple. These candidates have entered into the family of God, and their names are inscribed in the Lamb's book of life.”

    [Entry 22] [4 entries] [2, 3 original sources]


    We are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, and these three great, infinite powers are unitedly pledged to work in our behalf if we will co-operate with them.” - Ms 144 April 3, 1901, par. 17; April 3, 1901

    See also:

    GCB April 4, 1901, par. 16; April 4, 1901

    LHU 190.2; 1988, citing (Ms 144, 1901)

    2SAT 167.2; 1994, citing (MR 900.60)
    [Connected with the words,

    “Have you thought of what this means to us;-- that in this prayer is included every son and daughter of Adam, who will believe in Christ as a personal Saviour, and take the requisite steps in repentance, conversion, faith, and baptism? We are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, and these three great, infinite powers are unitedly pledged to work in our behalf [37] if we will co-operate with them. We are buried with Christ in baptism as an emblem of his death. We are raised from the water as an emblem of his resurrection. We are to live as new-born souls, that we may be raised at the last great day. You are to live in newness of life; for you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. “If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.” This is where you are to place your treasure. {GCB, April 4, 1901 par. 16}”]​

    [Entry 23] [2 entries] [1 original source]


    ... the three persons -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” - Ms 57 August 12, 1900, par. 11; August 12, 1900

    See also:

    6BC 1074.9; 1956, citing (Ms 57 August 12, 1900, par. 11)
    [connected with the words,

    “The work is laid out before every soul that has acknowledged his faith in Jesus Christ by baptism, and has become a receiver of the pledge from the three persons -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.”​

    [Entry 24A] [2 entries] [1 original source]


    [Hyphenated - “co-operate”]

    ... dedicated to God, to Christ, and to the Holy Spirit. These three all co-operate in the great work of the covenant made by baptism in the sight of the heavenly universe. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit receive the believing soul into covenant relation with God.” - Ms 56 August 12, 1900, par. 26; August 12, 1900

    [connected with the words,

    “After the believing soul has received the ordinance of baptism, he is to bear in mind that he is dedicated to God, to Christ, and to the Holy Spirit. These three all co-operate in the great work of the covenant made by baptism in the sight of the heavenly universe. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit receive the believing soul into covenant relation with God.”]
    [Entry 24B] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    [Combined “cooperate”]

    ... dedicated to God, to Christ, and to the Holy Spirit. These three all cooperate in the great work of the covenant made by baptism in the sight of the heavenly universe. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit receive the believing soul into covenant relation with God.” - 6MR No. 373 163.2; 1990, citing (Ms 56 August 12, 1900, par. 26 ("Preparation for Baptism," typed August 12, 1900))

    [connected with the words,

    “After the believing soul has received the ordinance of baptism, he is to bear in mind that he is dedicated to God, to Christ, and to the Holy Spirit. These three all cooperate in the great work of the covenant made by baptism in the sight of the heavenly universe. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit receive the believing soul into covenant relation with God.”]​

    [Entry 24C] [8 entries] [2 original sources]

    ... he is dedicated to God, to Christ, and to the Holy Spirit.” - Ms 56 August 12, 1900, par. 26; August 12, 1900

    See also:

    6T 98.3; 1901

    Ev 315.3; 1946, citing (6T 98,99 1900)

    Ev 316.2; 1946, citing (6T 98,99 1900)

    FLB 145.5; 1958

    6MR No. 373 163.2; 1990, citing (Ms 56 August 12, 1900, par. 26 ("Preparation for Baptism," typed August 12, 1900))

    CCh 295.4; 1991

    2TT 396.1; December 5, 2010​

    [connected with the words,

    6T 98.3-99.1 -
    “... he vows which we take upon ourselves in baptism embrace much. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit we are buried in the likeness of Christ's death and raised in the likeness of His resurrection, and we are to live a new life. Our life is to be bound up with the life of Christ. Henceforth the believer is to bear in mind that he is dedicated to God, to Christ, and to the Holy Spirit. He is to make all worldly considerations secondary to this new relation. Publicly he has declared that he will no longer live in pride and self-indulgence. [99] He is no longer to live a careless, indifferent life. He has made a covenant with God. He has died to the world. He is to live to the Lord, to use for Him all his entrusted capabilities, never losing the realization that he bears God's signature, that he is a subject of Christ's kingdom, a partaker of the divine nature. He is to surrender to God all that he is and all that he has, employing all his gifts to His name's glory. {6T 98.3}

    The obligations in the spiritual agreement entered into at baptism are mutual. As human beings act their part with wholehearted obedience, they have a right to pray: "Let it be known, Lord, that Thou art God in Israel." The fact that you have been baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is an assurance that, if you will claim Their help, these powers will help you in every emergency. The Lord will hear and answer the prayers of His sincere followers who wear Christ's yoke and learn in His school His meekness and lowliness.”]
    This list will briefly pause here, and continue in the next post with matters of the Holy Ghost/Spirit.
     
    Last edited: Apr 15, 2019
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    Continuing with passages on the Holy Ghost/Spirit:

    [Entry 25] [5 entries] [1 original source]

    ... the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person …” - Ms 66, April 15, 1899, par. 11; April 15, 1899

    See also:

    Ev, 615.5; 1946, citing Ms 66, April 15, 1899, par 11. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.)

    FLB, 52.3; 1958, citing Ms 66, April 15, 1899, par 11. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.), being edited to say, “We need to realize that the Holy Spirit . . . is as much a person as God is a person. . . .”

    7MR No. 487, 299.2; 1990, citing Ms 66, April 15, 1899, par 11. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.)
    2SAT 136.6; 1994, citing Ms 66, April 15, 1899, par 11. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.)


    [Entry 26] [5 entries] [5 original sources]

    The Holy Spirit exalts and glorifies the Saviour. It is his office to present Christ, the purity of his righteousness, and the great salvation that we have through him. Jesus says, “He shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.” The spirit of truth is the only effectual teacher of divine truth.” - ST April 3, 1884, par.7; April 3, 1884

    See also:

    SC 91.2; 1892, 1893

    CE 59.2; 1893, 1894

    ST October 24, 1906, par. 7; October 24, 1906

    AU Gleaner June 9, 1909, par. 9; June 9, 1909
    [connected with the words,

    ST April 3, 1884, par. 7 -
    “Science is too limited to comprehend the atonement; the mysterious and wonderful plan of redemption is so far-reaching that philosophy cannot explain it; it will ever remain a mystery that the most profound reason cannot fathom. If it could be explained by finite wisdom, it would lose its sacredness and dignity. It is a mystery that One equal with the eternal Father should so abase himself as to suffer the cruel death of the cross to ransom man; and it is a mystery that God so loved the world as to permit his Son to make this great sacrifice. The Holy Spirit exalts and glorifies the Saviour. It is his office to present Christ, the great salvation that we have through him, and the sacred, elevated purity of his righteousness. Says Christ, "He shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you." The Spirit of truth is the only effectual teacher of divine truth; those who are taught of him have entered the school of Christ. How must God esteem the race, that he gave his Son to die for them, and appoints his Spirit to be man's teacher and continual guide. Satan understands this, and he lays his plans to mar and wound man, the workmanship of God, and to prevent him from enjoying the happiness that this great rebel lost through his disobedience and malice.”]
    [Entry 27A] [7 entries] [2 original sources]

    [“Cumbered ...” after “divested”]

    The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high.” - DA, 669.2; 1898

    See also:

    RH November 19, 1908, par. 3; November 19,1908, citing (DA, 669.2 1898)

    ChS, 255.3; 1925, citing (DA, 669.2 1898)

    FLB, 56.2; 1958, citing (DA, 669.2 1898)

    AG, 191.4; 1973, citing (DA, 669.2 1898)

    HLv 448.8; January 1, 1984, citing (DA, 669.2 1898)

    LHU 179.4; 1988, citing (DA, 669.2 1898)
    [connected with the words,

    DA 669.1-670.1 1898 -
    “Before this the Spirit had been in the world; from the very beginning of the work of redemption He had been moving upon men's hearts. But while Christ was on earth, the disciples had desired no other helper. Not until they were deprived of His presence would they feel their need of the Spirit, and then He would come. {DA 669.1}

    The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. {DA 669.2}

    "He that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him." Jesus read the future of His disciples. He saw one brought to the scaffold, one to the cross, one to exile among the lonely rocks of the sea, others to persecution and death. He encouraged them with the promise that in every trial He would be with them. That promise has lost none of its force. The Lord knows all about His faithful servants who for His sake are lying in prison or who are banished to lonely islands. He comforts them with His own presence. When for the truth's sake the believer stands at the bar of unrighteous tribunals, Christ stands by his side. All the reproaches that fall upon him, fall upon Christ. Christ is condemned over again in the person of His disciple. When one is incarcerated in prison walls, Christ ravishes the heart with His love. When one suffers death for His sake, Christ says, "I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forevermore, . . . and have the keys of hell and of death." Revelation 1:18. The life that is sacrificed for Me is preserved unto eternal glory. {DA 669.3}

    At all times and in all places, in all sorrows and in all afflictions, when the outlook seems dark and the future perplexing, and we feel helpless and alone, the Comforter will be sent in answer to the prayer of [670] faith. Circumstances may separate us from every earthly friend; but no circumstance, no distance, can separate us from the heavenly Comforter. Wherever we are, wherever we may go, He is always at our right hand to support, sustain, uphold, and cheer. {DA 669.4}

    The disciples still failed to understand Christ's words in their spiritual sense, and again He explained His meaning. By the Spirit, He said, He would manifest Himself to them. "The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things." No more will you say, I cannot comprehend. No longer will you see through a glass, darkly. You shall "be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge." Ephesians 3:18, 19. {DA 670.1}”]​
     
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    [“Cumbered” before “divested”]

    Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that he should leave them, go to his Father, and send the Holy Spirit to be his successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is himself, divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. He would represent himself as present in all places by his Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent - Lt 119 February 18, 1895, par. 18; February 18, 1895

    See also:

    PrT (UK) May 30, 1895, par. 7; May 30, 1895

    MR14 No. 1084, 23.3; 1990, citing (Lt 119 February 18, 1895, par. 18)
    [connected with the words,

    Lt 119 February 18, 1895, par. 17 - “Although the Lord ascended from earth to heaven, the Holy Spirit was appointed as His representative among men.”]
    [Entry 28A] [7 entries; [1 times]; Lower case “but it is”; Uppercase “Witness” & “Searcher”] [5 original sources]

    [“The Holy Spirit comes …]

    The Holy Spirit comes to the world as Christ's representative. It not only speaks the truth, but it is the truth--the faithful and true Witness. It is the great Searcher of hearts, and is acquainted with the characters of all.” - SpTEd, 51.2; 1897, citing (May 15, 1896)

    [connected with the words,

    “... it is the truth ...”

    & “the faithful and true Witness.” [capital]

    & “the great Searcher” [capital]​


    [Entry 28B] [7 entries; [1 times]; Lower case “but it is”; Lowercase “witness” & “searcher”] [5 original sources]

    [“The Holy Spirit comes …]

    The Holy Spirit comes to the world as Christ's representative. It not only speaks the truth, but it is the truth--the faithful and true witness. It is the great searcher of hearts, and is acquainted with the characters of all.” - NPU Gleaner, May 26, 1909, par. 1; May 26, 1909

    [connected with the words,

    “... it is the truth ...”

    & “the faithful and true witness.”

    & “the great searcher”]​


    [Entry 28C] [7 entries; [1 times]; Uppercase “but It is”; Uppercase “Witness” & “Searcher”] [5 original sources]

    [“The Holy Spirit comes …]

    The Holy Spirit comes to the world as Christ's representative. It not only speaks the truth, but It is the truth -- the faithful and true Witness. It is the great Searcher of hearts and is acquainted with the characters of all.” - CT, 68.1; 1913

    [connected with the words,

    “... but It is ...” [capital]

    & “... It is the truth ...”

    & “the faithful and true Witness.” [capital]

    &
    “the great Searcher” [capital]

    &The Holy Spirit is an effective helper in restoring the image of God in the human soul, but Its efficiency and power have not been appreciated in our schools. It came into the schools of the prophets, bringing even the thoughts into harmony with the will of God. There was a living connection between heaven and these schools; [68] and the joy and thanksgiving of loving hearts found expression in songs of praise in which angels joined. {CT 67.3}

    The Holy Spirit comes to the world as Christ's representative. It not only speaks the truth, but It is the truth--the faithful and true Witness. It is the great Searcher of hearts and is acquainted with the characters of all. {CT 68.1}

    The Holy Spirit has often come to our schools and has not been recognized, but has been treated as a stranger, perhaps even as an intruder. Every teacher should know and welcome this heavenly Guest. If the teachers will open their own hearts to receive the Spirit, they will be prepared to co-operate with It in working for their students. And when It is given free course, It will effect wonderful transformations. It will work in each heart, correcting selfishness, molding and refining the character, and bringing even the thoughts into captivity to Christ.”]​


    [Entry 28D] [7 entries; [4 times]] [5 original sources]

    [“This divine agency comes ...”]

    The Holy Spirit is greatly needed in our schools. This divine agency comes to the world as Christ's representative. It is not only the faithful and true witness of the Word of God, but it is the searcher of the thoughts and purposes of the heart. ...” - RH September 3, 1908, par. 6; September 3, 1908

    See also:

    RH October 8, 1908, par. 6; October 8, 1908

    FE, 526.3; 1923

    12MR No. 954, 147.3; 1990
    [connected with the words,

    It is the source to which we must look for efficiency in the restoration of the moral image of God in man. The Holy Spirit was eagerly sought for in the schools of the prophets; its transforming influence was to bring even the thoughts into harmony with the will of God, and establish a living connection between earth and heaven.”]
    [Entry 29A] [5 entries; [4 quotes]] [1 original]

    The Holy Spirit is a person; for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God.” - Ms 20 February 7, 1906, par. 31; February 7, 1906

    See also:

    Ev 616.6; 1946, citing (Ms 20, February 7, 1906, par. 31)

    SD 28.2; 1955

    20MR No. 1437, 68.5; 1993, citing (Ms 20, February 7, 1906, par. 31)
    [connected with the words,

    Ms 20, February 7, 1906, par. 32 - The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.””]
    [Entry 29B] [5 entries; [1 Title]] [0 original sources]

    [Title, Uppercase “Is”]

    The Holy Spirit Is a Person” - 7MR No. 487; 1990

    This was just a “Title”, carried forward from the sentence of the original Ms 20, February 7, 1906, par. 31. The word “Is” has been capitalized.​


    [Entry 30] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ's name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. We may have the Holy Spirit if we ask for it and make it [a] habit to turn to and trust in God rather than in any finite human agent who may make mistakes.” - Ms 93, 1893, par. 8; 1893

    See also:

    20MR No. 1487; 1993, , citing (Ms 93, 1893)


    [Entry 31] [1 entry] [1 original source]

    The office work of the Holy Spirit is to display the glory of the person of Jesus Christ, God in man.” - Ms 29, March 17, 1899, par. 12; March 17, 1899

    [connected with the words,

    The Holy Spirit bears witness to the work of redemption. “He shall glorify me” – the speaker is the world's Redeemer – “for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.” The office work of the Holy Spirit is to display the glory of the person of Jesus Christ, God in man. The Holy Spirit makes known the things freely given to us of God.”]​

    [Entry 32] [3 entries] [1 original source]

    The Holy Spirit takes the most attractive excellencies of the One who is altogether lovely, and presents them in such a way as to engage the attention and receive the best attention of the renewed heart.” - Ms 131 September 12, 1899, par. 7; September 12, 1899

    See also:

    15MR No. 107.1; 1990, citing (Ms 131 September 12, 1899, par. 7)

    PM 220.2; 1983, citing (Ms 131 September 12, 1899, par. 7)
    [connected with the words,

    “Christ is to be all and in all to the believer. There must be none of self, and all of Christ, whose we are by creation and by redemption. The Holy Spirit takes the most attractive excellencies of the One who is altogether lovely, and presents them in such a way as to engage the attention and receive the best attention of the renewed heart. God designs that the Holy Spirit shall keep before the mind's eye scenes that will attract and absorb all there is of the new-born soul. We need not any external representations of the person of Christ. The imagination must take in the only begotten of the Father, “full of grace and truth,” the One altogether lovely, and the chiefest among ten thousand.”]​

    [Entry 33] [2 entries] [2 original sources]


    Christ is not now present with us in person, but through the agency of the Holy Spirit, he is present to impart his power and grace and great salvation.” - Lt 282 September 28, 1908, par. 3; September 28, 1908

    See also:

    RH September 16, 1909, par.7, citing (Lt 282 September 28, 1908, par. 3)


    [Entry 34] [2 entries] [1 original sources]

    Christ, remember that He is an unseen presence in the person of the Holy Spirit, and He will be the peace and comfort given you, manifesting to you that He is with you, the Sun of Righteousness, chasing away your darkness. “If a man love me,” Christ said, “he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” - Lt 124 March 7, 1897, par. 10; March 7, 1897

    See also:

    DG 185.2 1998, citing (Lt 124, 1897)
    [connected with the words,

    “Christ died a shameful death that He might bring us unto God. When the soul is persuaded that Christ is able to save to the uttermost all who come unto Him, when it resigns itself entirely to Him as an all-sufficient Saviour, when it clings to the promises made and believes fully in Jesus, it is pronounced by God [as] one with Christ. A soul that depends on Christ with the simplicity that a child depends upon its mother is justified, for it becomes one with the Substitute, who was Justification and Redemption. Herein is love, that the heart and will are knit together in Christ Jesus.{DG 185.1}

    What saith our Saviour? “I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.” “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father; and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” When trials overshadow the soul, remember the words of Christ, remember that He is an unseen presence in the person of the Holy Spirit, and He will be the peace and comfort given you, manifesting to you that He is with you, the Sun of Righteousness, chasing away your darkness. “If a man love me,” Christ said, “he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” Be of good cheer; light will come, and your soul will rejoice greatly in the Lord.”]​
     
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    ... Jesus is present in the person of His representative, the Holy Spirit ...” - Ms 158 December 7, 1898, par. 4; December 7, 1898

    See also:

    12MR No. 954 145.2; 1990, citing (Ms 158 December 7, 1898, par. 4)
    [connected with the words,

    Ms 158 December 7, 1898 - ““The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.” There is a multitude of errors in our world, but the truth is a unit always. Those who cherish the truth in the heart will manifest its sanctifying power; for true faith works by love and purifies the soul. “Nevertheless, I tell you the truth,” Christ declared, “It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”

    This was the arrangement of the divine government. Christ's ascension was the event which in heaven's order was to mark the descent of the Holy Spirit. A vital work was to be carried on. The world's Redeemer designed to show His followers on earth His union with the Father and with man.

    “If ye love me, keep my commandments,” Christ continued. “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me; and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father; and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”

    When God's people search the Scriptures with a desire to know what is truth, ...”]​


    [Entry 36] [3 entries] [2 original sources]

    Although the Lord ascended from earth to heaven, the Holy Spirit was appointed as His representative among men.” - Lt 119 February 18, 1895, par. 17; February 18, 1895

    See also:

    PrT (UK) May 30, 1895, par. 7; May 30, 1895

    MR14 No. 1084, 23.2; 1990, citing (Lt 119 February 18, 1895, par. 17)
    [Please notice that word, “appointed”.]​


    [Entry 37] [7 entries] [4 original sources]

    The Holy Spirit is a free, working, independent agency. The God of heaven uses His Spirit as it pleases Him ...” - Lt 54, June 10, 1894, par. 9; June 10, 1894

    See also:

    RH May 5, 1896, par 2.; May 5, 1896


    PrT (UK) November 2, 1899, par. 6; November 2, 1899


    ST March 8, 1910, par.2; March 8, 1910


    FLB 52.4; 1958, citing (ST, March 8, 1910, par. 2)

    YRP 323.3; 1995, citing (ST, March 8, 1910, par. 2)

    FH 303.2; 2010, citing (ST, March 8, 1910, par. 2)
    [connected with the words,

    Lt 54, June 10, 1894, par. 9 -
    “No human reasoning of the most learned man could define the operations of the Holy Spirit upon human minds and characters, yet they could see the effects upon the life and actions.”]
    [Entry 38] [4 entries] [3 original sources]

    The greatest Teacher is represented in our midst by His Holy Spirit.” - Ms 10a March 21, 1895, par. 93; March 21, 1895

    See also:

    SpTEd 141.2; 1897, citing (Ms 10a March 21, 1895, par. 93)

    CT 417.3; 1913, citing (Ms 10a March 21, 1895, par. 93)

    FE 363.1; 1923, citing (SpTEd 141.2 1897)


    [Entry 39] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    Christ gave His representative, the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.” - Ms 44 March 29, 1898, par. 11; March 29, 1898

    See also:

    CTr 301.4; 1999, citing (Ms 44 March 29, 1898, par. 11)
    [connected with the words,

    Ms 44 March 29, 1898, par. 11-13 -
    “... This Gift could not be excelled. The divine Spirit, converting, enlightening, sanctifying, would be His donation, because He would give all gifts in one.

    On the day of Pentecost Christ gave His disciples the Holy Spirit as their Comforter. It was ever to abide with His church. During the whole Jewish economy the influence of this Spirit has often been revealed in a marked manner, but not in full. The Spirit had been waiting for the crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension of Christ. For ages prayers had been offered for the fulfillment of the promise, for the impartation of the Spirit; and not one of these earnest supplications had been forgotten. Now for ten days the disciples sent up their petitions, and Christ in heaven added His intercession. He claimed the gift of the Spirit, that He might pour it out upon His people. He ascended on high, leading captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. Having reached His throne, the Spirit was given as He had promised, and like a rushing, mighty wind, it fell upon those assembled, filling the whole house. It came with a fullness and power, as if for ages it had been restrained, but was now poured forth upon the church, to be communicated to the world.

    What followed this outpouring? Thousands were converted in a day.”]​

    [Entry 40A] [8 entries] [4 original sources]


    [Uppercase “The”, beginning of sentence.]

    The Holy Spirit, Christ's representative ...” - HM December 1, 1894, par. 11; December 1, 1894,(written September 24, 1894)

    See also:

    HM August 1, 1896, par. 6; August 1, 1896

    RH October 6, 1896, par. 15; October 6, 1896

    RH March 24, 1910, par. 10; March 24, 1910


    LS 472.3; 1915

    HP 277.3; 1967

    HP 339.5; 1967

    YRP 171.2; 1995​


    [Entry 40B] [4 entries] [2 original source]

    [Lowercase “the”, middle of sentence.]

    ... the Holy Spirit, Christ's representative ...” - Ms 111 July 22, 1898, par. 12; July 22, 1898

    See also:

    ST May 27, 1897, par. 10; May 27, 1897

    2MR No. 99, 26.2; 1987, citing (Ms 111 July 22, 1898, par. 12 (“Prayer and Faith,” September 8, 1898))

    BLJ 337.3; 2004
    [connected with the words,

    Ms 111 July 22, 1898, par. 12 -
    “Christ's followers will pray and believe and work as Christ worked, relying upon the Holy Spirit, Christ's representative, for their sufficiency. They realize that they are only the instruments. The Holy Spirit is the power cooperating with them. They can labor with the highest power, for it is God that does the work, and not man. With the tact and methods given of God, they work, and God works with them as a compelling power to save the souls of men.”]​

    [Entry 41A] [3 entries] [2 original sources]


    Of the Spirit Jesus said, "He shall glorify Me." The Saviour came to glorify the Father by the demonstration of His love; so the Spirit was to glorify Christ by revealing His grace to the world.” - DA 671.3; 1898

    See also:

    RH November 19, 1908, par. 6; November 19, 1908

    LHU 191.4; 1988​


    [Entry 41B] [7 entries] [4 original sources]

    He shall not speak of Himself.” “He shall testify of Me.” “He shall glorify Me.” As the Saviour came to our world to glorify the Father by the demonstration of His infinite love, so the Holy Spirit came to glorify Christ.” - RH December 23, 1890, par. 22; December 23, 1890

    See also:

    Ms 130 November 27, 1901, par. 40; November 27, 1901

    Lt 55, January 10, 1897, par. 50; January 10, 1897

    Ms 151 June 9, 1906, par. 24; June 9, 1906


    PC 343.1; 1985, citing (written to T. Oakland, Cal. August 1, 1891)

    1888 765.9; 1987

    16MR No. 1213 201.1; 1990, citing (Ms 130 November 27, 1901, par. 40)


    [Entry 42] [2 entries] [1 original source]

    The Holy Spirit is the worker, and if the human instrument is a close student of his Bible, seeking to know the light and to walk in it, thus learning daily of Jesus, the Holy Spirit will use him as a means of communicating the Word while the Holy Spirit Himself works the heart.” - Ms 21, 1894; 1894, (this was refiled under Ms 21a, 1894)

    See also:

    1NL 129.5; 1945, citing (Ms 21, 1894, this was refiled under Ms 21a, 1894)
    [Please notice the words, “... the Holy Spirit Himself ...”]
     
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    The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul.” - Ms 143, 1901, par. 3; 1901 citing (The Review and Herald, November 29, 1892)

    See also:

    The Review and Herald November 29, 1892 paragraph 3; November 29, 1892

    The Home Missionary November 1, 1893, Art. A paragraph 28; November 1, 1893


    The Ellen G. White 1888 Materials, p. 1075.3; 1987

    Ye Shall Receive Power, p. 177.2; 1995, citing (The Home Missionary, November 1, 1893)

    Christ Triumphant, p. 365.4; 1999, citing (Manuscript 143, 1901.)
    [Connected with the words:

    The work of the Holy Spirit is immeasurably great. It is from this source that power and efficiency come to the worker for God; and the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul. He who looks to Christ in simple, childlike faith is made a partaker of the divine nature through the agency of the Holy Spirit. When led by the Spirit of God, the Christian may know that he is made complete in Him who is the head of all things. As Christ was glorified on the day of Pentecost, so will He again be glorified in the closing work of the gospel, when He shall prepare a people to stand the final test in the closing conflict of the great controversy.]
    [Be very very careful in reading the following citations. Take especial notice of the words "as" rather than "is", and the word "of" in context of a sent "representative" from another, and "in the name of Christ", "by faith", etc.]


    [Entry 44] [2 entries] [1 orignial source]

    "Brethren should not feel that it is a virtue to stand apart because they do not see all minor points in exactly the same light. If on fundamental truths they are at agreement, they should not differ and dispute about matters of little real importance. To dwell on perplexing questions that after all are of no vital importance, has a direct tendency to call the mind away from truths which are vital to the saving of the soul. ...

    ... It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, “the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in my name.” [John 14:26.] “I will pray the Father, and he shall send you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him; but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” [John 14:16, 17.] This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, “I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth.” [John 16:12, 13.]

    There are many mysteries which I do not seek to understand or to explain; they are too high for me, and too high for you. On some of these points, silence is golden. Piety, devotion, sanctification of soul, body, and spirit—this is essential for us all. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” [John 17:3.] “This is the will of him that sent me, that every one that seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life.” [John 6:40.]" - Lt 7, 1891 (June 11, 1891) par. 14

    See also:

    Manuscript Releases, vol. 14 [Nos. 1081-1135], p. 179.2, citing (Lt 7, 1891 (June 11, 1891) par. 14)


    [Entry 45] [2 entries] [2 original sources]

    "... That Christ should manifest Himself to them, and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of the outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet He be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation.

    The great Teacher longed to give to the disciples all the encouragement and comfort possible, for they were to be sorely tried. But it was difficult for them to comprehend His words. They had yet to learn that the inward spiritual life, all fragrant with the obedience of love, would give them the spiritual power they needed.

    The promise of the Comforter presented a rich truth to them. It assured them that they should not lose their faith under the most trying circumstances. The Holy Spirit, sent in the name of Christ, was to teach them all things, and bring all things to their remembrance. The Holy Spirit was to be the representative of Christ, the Advocate who is constantly pleading for the fallen race. He pleads that spiritual power may be given to them, that by the power of One mightier than all the enemies of God and man, they may be able to overcome their spiritual foes.

    He who knows the end from the beginning has provided for the attack of satanic agencies. And He will fulfil His word to the faithful in every age. That word is sure and steadfast; not one jot or tittle of it can fail. If men will keep under the protection of God, His banner will be over them as an impregnable fortress. He will give evidence that His Word can never fail. He will prove a light which shineth in a dark place until the day dawn. He, the Sun of Righteousness, will arise with healing in His beams.

    The very image of God is to be impressed upon, and reflected in, humanity. The cold heart is to be quickened and glow with divine love—a love that beats in union with the love the Redeemer has evidenced for you. No longer shall you complain that you cannot understand, for your Teacher has ascended to heaven, and His first interest is to advocate the cause of all who believe in Him. He has assured you that the Holy Spirit was given to abide with you forever, to be your pleader and your guide. He asks you to trust in Him, and commit yourself into His keeping. The Holy Spirit is constantly at work, teaching, reminding, testifying, coming to the soul as a divine Comforter, and convincing of sin as an appointed Judge and Guide.

    Christ was the Spirit of truth. The world would not listen to His pleadings. They would not accept Him as their guide. They could not discern unseen things; spiritual things were unknown to them. But His disciples see in Him the Way, the Truth, and the Life. And they shall have His abiding presence. They shall have an experimental knowledge of the only true God and of Jesus Christ whom He has sent. To them He says, You will no more say, I cannot comprehend. No longer shall you see through a glass darkly; you shall comprehend with all saints what is the length and depth and breadth and height of the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge. He who has begun a good work in you will perform it unto the day of Christ Jesus.

    The honor of God, the honor of Jesus Christ, is involved in the perfection of your character. Your work is to co-operate with Christ, that you may be complete in Him. In being united to Him by faith, believing and receiving Him, you become part of Himself. Your character is His glory revealed in you. And when you shall appear in His presence, you will find the benediction awaiting you, “Well done, good and faithful servant, thou hast been faithful over a few things; I will make you ruler over many things; enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.”

    Christ seeks to make the lessons which they [His disciples] do not understand, as clear as possible to their befogged minds. But the time is not far distant when every word will be made plain. Then that which Jesus has spoken to them, and which they could not grasp, is clearly comprehended as living truth.

    The thought that their Teacher was going to leave them filled the disciples with sorrow; but He comforted them with the assurance that He was coming again to take them to the place He would prepare for them. He assured them that if He went not away, He could not provide them with an Advocate: that if they only knew of the future blessings that were to come because of His departure, they would not mourn; they would rejoice in the presence of the Holy Spirit who was to be with them always. He told them that if He went not away, they could not do a greater work. But that deprived of His personal presence, by faith they would see and know Him, and by continuance in His love, by showing their appreciation of the truth by revealing to others what the truth is; in obeying His commandments and bearing a living, vital testimony; in doing His work that He had left in their hands, carrying it forward to completion, they would become representatives of Christ. ..." - Ms 44, 1897 (May 13, 1897) par. 8

    See also:

    The Southern Review October 25, 1898 paragraph 2; October 25, 1898
     
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    "... Again He says, “If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth [not deception]; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not [Jesus, the author of truth], neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” [John 14:15-17.] What is the work of the Comforter? “And when he is come, he will”—praise, flatter, exalt? No;—“he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.” [John 16:8-14.]

    The believers in all ages are to be one, and the Holy Spirit is the living essence that cements, animates, and pervades the whole body of Christ’s followers. The duties devolving on the members of Christ’s church are tasks set by the Lord, and although each one of the workers is but an atom, a fraction of the stupendous fabric, inhabited by the Holy Spirit, how sacred, how holy do these duties appear! The Jews had an appointed guard whose duty it was to watch the temple night and day, and although the guard was made up of a large number of men, each one felt that he was under obligation to stand in his lot and place; for he was entrusted with a solemn charge. Suppose that the numerous body of guards had been dismissed, and the whole burden of responsibility had been placed upon one man, and that [it was] at a time when particular danger was near because of the efforts of a vigilant foe. This would be presumption. Would not the solitary guard be liable to be overcome because overcharged? Thank God, important interests are not to rest on one man’s mind or one man’s judgment. Every soul is to be on the alert to catch every sound, to note every movement on the part of the enemy that would endanger his God-given charge. This is the spirit that should characterize every worker at the Health Retreat, for each one of you is entrusted with a sacred responsibility, that you may help one another, strengthen one another in keeping the fort. There is to be a building one another up in the most holy faith, and no one is to receive the least sanction in tearing others down. The Holy Spirit must abide upon every worker, else he that watcheth keepeth his watch in vain.

    Let every one do his work as unto God and not unto man. Let your conduct accord with the sacred trust that has been given you. This you may do, for the foundation of life has been opened for you, and principles of a new and heavenly order are to control your spirit and actions. Let not anyone receive the impression that a confederacy may safely be formed with worldlings. Confidences are not to be encouraged with those who are enemies of Christ. No compromise can be made with the enemy. Are you sentinels for God? Then be careful lest you betray God’s people into the enemy’s hands. Satan is seeking to insinuate some scheme that will result in separating God from the workers, but I heard the voice of the Lord saying, “Let every one stand in his lot and place, and do the part assigned him with unwavering fidelity, and he will see and realize the fulfilment of the gracious designs of the Lord.” If you become restless, as did Abraham and Sarah, and work up plans of your own in order to bring about God’s promises, a condition of things which you deem desirable after your own ways and ideas, you will find that it will result in sorrow, misery, and sin.

    Jesus comes to you as the Spirit of truth; study the mind of the Spirit, consult your Lord, follow His way. If you yield to the dictates of the mind and flesh, your spirit will lose its proper character and balance, and you fail to discern and cannot appreciate moral power. Then you will seek to carry out the maxims of worldlings. Their voices are heard on every side, Here is the path of success. Your mind will, if you follow their suggestions, be deceived, carnalized, and you will esteem the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit as less than human invention. God calls upon you to close the door to human inventions and to open the door to divine illumination. Be careful that you do not resist the Spirit of God in its office work upon the temple of the soul. Be determined to please God, to magnify His name, to enjoy the sweet influence of His grace.

    Every element of your nature is to be dedicated to God; lay not one attribute upon the altar of Satan. There is none too much of any of the workers, be they possessed of large or small talents, to render themselves to God that they may be sanctified and fitted for His service. Give all you have and are, and it is all nothing without the merit of the blood that sanctifies the gift. Could those who hold responsible positions multiply their talents a thousandfold, their service would have no worth before God unless Christ was mingled with all their offerings. Let all the glory of what is accomplished redound to the glory of God; it belongs to Him. The world cannot discern Jesus; then let me not be anxious to unite with the world, lest I, too, become blind as the worldling, so that I cannot see the beauty of the truth. By beholding, by studying the ambitious plans and projects of the world, I become more and more favorable to their methods, and become willing to listen to the suggestions of the enemy and to take the bribes of Satan, when I should instantly reject them as did Jesus when He was tempted.

    There are some who talk in a regretful way concerning the restraints that the religion of the Bible imposes upon those who would follow its teachings. They seem to think that restraint is a great disadvantage, but we have reason to thank God with all our heart that He has raised a heavenly barrier between us and the ground of the enemy. There are certain tendencies of the natural heart that many think must be followed in order that the best development of the individual may result, but that which man thinks essential God sees would not be the blessing to humanity which men imagine, for the development of these very traits of character would unfit them for the mansions above. The Lord places men under test and trial that the dross may be separated from the gold; but He forces none. He does not bind with fetters and cords and barriers, for they increase disaffection rather than decrease it. The remedy for evil is found in Christ as an indwelling Saviour. But in order that Christ may be in the soul, it must first be emptied of self, then there is a vacuum created that may be supplied by the Holy Spirit. ..." - Ms 8c, 1891 (July 26, 1891) par. 14

    See also:

    Manuscript Releases, vol. 2 [Nos. 97-161], p. 337.1, 1987, citing (Manuscript 3, 1892, 1-4, 6-9)
    [Warning, be very very careful with these following citations, read the contexts carefully and more importantly prayerfully, and do not abuse them. They are unique in all of the SOP/TOJ, and do not teach what some have said they do. When passages like this come along, compare them to all others as well.]


    [Entry 47] [1 entry] [1 original source]

    "The Lord is soon to come. We want that complete and perfect understanding which the Lord alone can give. It is not safe to catch the spirit from another. We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ. If we commune with God, we shall have strength and grace and efficiency." - Lt 66, 1894 (April 10, 1894) par. 18​


    [Entry 48] [1 entry] [1 original source]

    "Christ said to His disciples, “If I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” [John 16:7.] After Christ’s ascension, the disciples were joyful, not because He had left them, but because He had ascended to stand in the presence of His Father, that He might secure for His waiting, praying, watching Church on earth the gift of the Holy Spirit. And while the disciples were praying in an upper chamber, the Saviour’s promise was verified. The Comforter came to the bereaved Church, and the apostles became mighty in power as the Holy Spirit rested upon them. God’s chosen messengers “out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.” [Hebrews 11:34.]

    Christ is to be known by the blessed name of Comforter. “The Comforter,” said Christ to His disciples, “which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you, Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.” [John 14:26, 27.] ..." - Ms 7, 1902 (January 26, 1902) par. 10


    [Entry 49] [2 entries] [2 original sources]

    "... The Holy Spirit is the molding power. “Without me,” said Christ, “ye can do nothing.” But let the Holy Spirit take hold of heart and character, and all who will heed its voice will be lights in the world. Experimental Bible religion is a leavening power wherever it is introduced. ..." - Ms 124, 1897 (November 17, 1897) par. 38

    See also:

    The Review and Herald March 22, 1898 paragraph 19; March 22, 1898

    Further passages may be cited in future, as time allows. Keep in mind that there are "three holiest beings", the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Keep in mind the words "representative", "appointed", "office", "in Christ's name [ie character]", "take of mine [Christ's]", in regards the Holy Ghost/Spirit, etc. We shall move onto some scriptural texts, and some more evidences therein in combination with the cited SOP/TOJ above.​
     
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    She believed her Bible which states:

    “...Yet no man has a right to add to or subtract from any other book written by inspiration of God. ...” - Early Writings, p. 137.3 or Spiritual Gifts. Volume 1, p. 9.4


    "... A familiar acquaintance with the Scriptures sharpens the discerning powers and fortifies the soul against the attacks of Satan. The Bible is the sword of the Spirit, which will never fail to vanquish the adversary. It is the only true guide in all matters of faith and practice. The reason why Satan has so great control over the minds and hearts of men is that they have not [90] made the Word of God the man of their counsel, and all their ways have not been tried by the true test. The Bible will show us what course we must pursue to become heirs of glory.--RH Jan 4, 1881. (HC 31.) ..." - The (Advent) Review and (Sabbath) Herald, January 4, 1881

    “... My brethren in the Lord, I am instructed to say that you must raise the standard of piety and truth and holiness higher, still higher. Compare [-171-] scripture with scripture. Encourage the people to study their Bibles. Nearly all have the common version, and the words are so simple and plain that all who read may understand. Let the Scriptures be read freely in the family and in the pulpit. The men who wrote the books of the Bible were inspired of God, and the words of Holy Writ are for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. {20MR 170.5} ...” - Manuscript Releases Volume 20, 170.5

    The Scripture [KJB] listing on the Holy Ghost/Spirit [if you see any mistakes please let me know, or if anything needs to be added]:

    "the Holy Ghost" (x90) - Matthew 1:18,20, 3:11, 12:31,32, 28:19; Mark 1:8, 3:29, 12:36, 13:11; Luke 1:15,35,41,67, 2:25,26, 3:16,22, 4:1, 12:10,12; John 1:33, 7:39, 14:26, 20:22; Acts 1:2,5,8,16, 2:4,33,38, 4:8.31. 5:3,32, 6:3,5, 7:51,55, 8:15,17,18,19, 9:17,31, 10:38,44,45,47, 11:15,16,24, 13:2,4,9,52, 15:8,28, 16:6, 19:2 (x2),6, 20:23,28, 21:11, 28:25; Romans 5:5, 9:1, 14:17, 15:13,16; 1 Corinthians 2:13, 6:19, 12:3; 2 Corinthians 6:6, 13:14; 1 Thessalonians 1:5,6; 2 Timothy 1:14; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 2:4, 3:7, 6:4, 9:8, 10:15; 1 Peter 1:12; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 John 5:7; Jude 1:20


    "the Spirit" (x80) - Matthew 4:1; Mark 1:10; Luke 2:27, 4:14; John 1:32,33, 3:5,6,8,34; Acts 2:4, 8:29, 10:19, 11:12,28, 16:7, 21:4; Romans 8:1,4,5 (x2),9,10,13,16,23,26 (x2),27, 15:30; 1 Corinthians 2:10, 12:7,8; 2 Corinthians 1:22, 5:5; Galatians 3:2,3,5,14, 4:29, 5:5,16,17 (x2),18,22,25 (x2), 6:8 (x2); Ephesians 2:22, 3:5, 4:3, 5:9,18, 6:17,18; Philippians 2:1; Colossians 1:8; 1 Thessalonians 5:19; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Timothy 3:16, 4:1; 1 Peter 1:2,22, 3:18; 1 John 3:24, 5:6,8; Jude 1:19; Revelation 1:10, 2:7,11,17,29, 3:6,13,22, 14:13, 22:17


    "the Holy Spirit" (x1) - Luke 11:13


    "the LORD ... My spirit" (x2) - Genesis 6:3; Isaiah 59:21


    "the LORD ... my spirit" (x2) - Isaiah 30:1; Zechariah 4:6


    "my Spirit" (x2) - Acts 2:17,18


    "my spirit" (x10) - Proverbs 1:23; Isaiah 42:1, 44:3; Ezekiel 36:27, 37:14, 39:29; Joel 2:28,29; Haggai 2:5; Matthew 12:18


    "thy holy spirit" (x1) - Psalms 51:11

    "thy good spirit" (x1) - Nehemiah 9:20


    "thy spirit" (x3) - Nehemiah 9:30; Psalms 139:7, 143:10


    "thy presence" (x4?) - Exodus 33:15; Psalms 51:11, 139:7; Luke 13:26 (see also 2 Chronicles 20:9; Psalms 9:3, 16:11, 31:20, 140:13; Isaiah 64:1,2,3, see also Job 1:12, see also the phrase the "presence of the LORD", etc)


    "his Holy Spirit" (x3) - Isaiah 63:10,11; 1 Thessalonians 4:8


    "that holy Spirit of promise" (x1) - Ephesians 1:13


    "the holy Spirit of God" (x1) - Ephesians 4:30

    "the Spirit of Christ" (x2) - Romans 8:9; 1 Peter 1:11


    "the Spirit of Jesus Christ" (x1) - Philippians 1:19


    "the Spirit of his Son" (x1) - Galatians 4:6


    "the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus" (x1) - Romans 8:2


    "the Spirit of God" (x21) - Genesis 1:2, 41:38; 1 Samuel 10:10, 11:6, 19:20,23; 2 Chronicles 15:1, 24:20; Job 33:4; Ezekiel 11:24; Matthew 3:16, 12:28; Romans 8:9,14, 15:19; 1 Corinthians 2:11,14, 3:16, 7:40, 12:3; 1 John 4:2


    "the spirit of God" (x4) - Exodus 31:3, 35:31; Numbers 24:2; Job 27:3


    "the spirit of judgment" (x1) - Isaiah 4:4


    "the spirit of burning" (x1) - Isaiah 4:4


    "the Spirit of our God" (x1) - 1 Corinthians 6:11


    "the spirit of glory and of God" (x1) - 1 Peter 4:14


    "the spirit which is of God" (x1) - 1 Corinthians 2:12


    "the Spirit of adoption" (x1) - Romans 8:15


    "the spirit" (x9) - Numbers 11:26, 27:18; 1 Chronicles 12:18, 28:12; Ecclesiastes 11:5; Isaiah 32:15, 57:16; John 6:63 (see also John 11:33), Acts 6:10 (see also 2 Corinthians 3:6,8)


    "the spirit of wisdom" (x3) - Deuteronomy 34:9; Isaiah 11:2; Ephesians 1:17


    "the Spirit of him" (x1) - Romans 8:11


    "his Spirit" (x5) - Romans 8:11; Isaiah 48:16 ("the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me" 3 Persons); 1 Corinthians 2:10; Ephesians 3:16; 1 John 4:13


    "his spirit" (x5) - Numbers 11:29; Job 26:13; Psalms 106:33; Isaiah 34:16; Zechariah 7:12 (see also Job 34:14 connected with "his breath", see also Mark 2:8, 8:12 connected with "reason ... heart")


    "the spirit which is of God" (x1) - 1 Corinthians 2:12


    "the Spirit of our God" (x1) - 1 Corinthians 6:11


    "the Spirit of the living God" (x1) - 2 Corinthians 3:3


    "the holy Spirit of God" (x1) - Ephesians 4:30


    "the spirit of the holy gods" (x4) - Daniel 4:8,9,18, 5:11


    "the spirit of the gods" (x1) - Daniel 5:14


    "the Spirit of the LORD" (x20) - Judges 3:10, 6:34, 11:29, 13:25, 14:6,19, 15:14; 1 Samuel 10:6, 16:13,14; 2 Samuel 23:2; 1 Kings 18:12, 22:24; 2 Kings 2:16; 2 Chronicles 18:23, 20:14; Isaiah 40:13, 59:19, 63:14; Ezekiel 11:5


    "the spirit of the LORD" (x5) - Isaiah 11:2, 40:7; Ezekiel 37:1; Micah 2:7, 3:8


    "the Spirit of the LORD God" (x1) - Isaiah 61:1


    "the Spirit of the Lord" (x5) - Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9, 8:39; 2 Corinthians 3:17,18


    "the Spirit of your Father" (x1) - Matthew 10:20


    "the Spirit of truth" (x3) - John 14:17, 15:26, 16:13


    "the spirit of truth" (x1) - 1 John 4:6


    "the Comforter" (x3) - John 14:26, 15:26, 16:7


    "the comforter" (x1) - Lamentations 1:16 [see also Ecclesiastes 4:1 (x2) & Lamentations 1:9 (x1)]


    "another Comforter" (x1) - John 14:16


    "the spirit of holiness" (x1) - Romans 1:4


    "the spirit ... of love" (x1) - 2 Timothy 1:7


    "the Spirit of grace" (x1) - Hebrews 10:29


    "the spirit of grace" (x) - Zechariah 12:10


    "the spirit of glory and of God" (x1) - 1 Peter 4:14


    "the Spirit of life from God" (x1) - Revelation 11:11


    "the Lord is that Spirit" (x1) - 2 Corinthians 3:17


    "the seven Spirits" (x1) - Revelation 1:4

    "the seven Spirits of God" (x3) - Revelation 3:1, 4:5, 5:6


    "another angel ... the earth was lightened with his glory" (x1) - Revelation 18:1 [this "another angel", which is the Holy Ghost in Latter Rain power, and is no created being, but Deity; just as another being is mentioned as "another mighty angel" of Revelation 10:1, which is Jesus Christ, again not a created being; but Deity]


    "... All the intelligences of heaven are in this army. And more than angels are in the ranks. The Holy Spirit, the representative of the Captain of the Lord's host, comes down to direct the battle. Our infirmities may be many, our sins and mistakes grievous; but the grace of God is for all who seek it with contrition. The power of Omnipotence is enlisted in behalf of those who trust in God. {DA 352.2} ..." - Desire of Ages 352.2
    [3] The Holy Spirit is an intellegence, having the power of Omnipotence, and is more than angels, and is in the ranks of the army of Heaven, and is the representative of:

    [2] the Captain [Ruler/Prince], Jesus Christ/Michael the Archangel, the Son of the Father, of:

    [1] the Lord [the Father]

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    other references to "my spirit" - (Psalms 31:5; Luke 23:46 (connected with "the ghost" in relation to Christ Jesus, see also Job 14:10; Matthew 27:50; Mark 15:37,39; John 19:30; & for general texts on "the ghost" see Genesis 25:8,17, 35:29, 49:33; Job 3:11, 10:18,20, 13:19; Jeremiah 15:9; Lamentations 1:19; Acts 5:5,10, 12:23))
     
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    Sister White wrote:

    "... The Holy Spirit exalts and glorifies the Saviour. It is his office to present Christ, the great salvation that we have through him, and the sacred, elevated purity of his righteousness. Says Christ, “He shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.” The Spirit of truth is the only effectual teacher of divine truth; those who are taught of him have entered the school of Christ. ..." - The Signs of the Times April 3, 1884 paragraph 7

    "... The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. ..." - Ms 93, 1893, par. 8

    "... These words present God and Christ as two distinct personalities ..." - Ms 181, 1905, par. 15
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    Here's what ex-SDA D.M. Canright said of the Holy Ghost/Spirit:

    The Holy Spirit is not a person, not an individual, but is an influence or power proceeding from the Godhead.” - D. M. Canright, “The Holy Spirit,” Signs of the Times, July 25, 1878, 218; D. M. Canright, “The Holy Spirit,” Signs of the Times, August 8, 1878, 236.
    Here is what the SOP/TOJ says:

    "... The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person ..." - Ms 20, 1906 (February 7, 1906) par. 32

    "... We have been brought together as a school, and we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, unseen by human eyes, that the Lord God is our Keeper and Helper. He hears every word we utter and knows every thought of the mind. Ms66-1899 (April 13, 1899) par. 11 ..." - Ms 66, 1899 (April 13, 1899) par. 11

    "... Before this the Spirit had been in the world; from the very beginning of the work of redemption He had been moving upon men's hearts. But while Christ was on earth, the disciples had desired no other helper. Not until they were deprived of His presence would they feel their need of the Spirit, and then He would come. {DA 669.1}

    The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. {DA 669.2} ..." - The Desire of Ages, p. 669.1 - 669.2
    Notice that there are two persons involved there, two beings, the one, the Holy Ghost/Spirit, sent by Jesus, from the Father, to be His [Jesus'] representative on earth, in "Christ's name", as cited elsewhere.

    [1] Holy Ghost is not cumbered by humanity, that is the human flesh.

    [2] Jesus is cumbered by humanity, that is the human flesh.
    Notice again the two, the plural, not singular:

    "... they talk about Christ and about the Holy Spirit, yet receive no benefit. They do not surrender the soul to be guided and controlled by the divine agencies. ..." - The Desire of Ages, p. 672.1
    Jesus is not representing Himself.

    In fact, it was the Holy Ghost that was taking the teaching of Christ Jesus and applying such to the hearts of the disciples/apostles, etc. They two were working together, even as they did with the Father above.​
     
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    No, he, J. N. Andrews, was not a false teacher, but those who run that website are, and promoted therein, including the non-SDA (and heretic) Nader Mansour (he's independent, not an official member of the Seventh-day Adventist movement and carries some serious heresy), as well as the others in association, such as the heretics (I use this term theologically and in sadness) 'Dr.' Allen Davis, and Daniel Mesa and others, whom have been disfellowshipped due to their errors after counselling by their brethren on numerous occasions, including from myself (over a period of several months), etc.

    What J.N. Andrews was arguing against, was the false definition as given by Roman Catholicism, see here for examples - Non-Trinitarian - The Trinity and Non-trinitarians

    Again, please do not get your information from half-baked websites which quote older and immature citations from James White, etc, who began as a member of Christian Connexion (arian), but later was in full harmony with all the citations above in the SoP/ToJ (Spirit of Prophecy/Testimony of Jesus), with his wife, sister White and the Seventh-day Adventist movement, and to be sure, go read James White for yourself in the (Advent) Review and (Sabbath) Herald over the years. James White grew out of His Arian errors which he held from youth from being in the Christian Connexion brerthren. That website makes no distinction in the years they are citing. Go to the pure sources. The Ellen G. White estate website contains all the information on the writings and materials of not only sister White, but also the Pioneers, et in the movement. And it is all freely accessible online, using the search function -

    Ellen G. White® Estate: Home

    English — Ellen G. White Writings

    Ellen G. White Writings

    Or if you would like some indepth study of those sources, here are some excellent Adventist sources - Link
     
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    I know you were speaking to another, but I will answer also, so that the matter is clear, as I am an officially recognized member of the Seventh-day Adventist movement, and have been for about the past 10 years or so.

    In the sense of the definition as given by the Roman Catholic dogma? No, as it is definitionally in error.

    However, if one means in the sense of three eternal existant divine Persons/Beings (the Person/Being of the Father, the Person/Being of the Son (Jesus) and the Person/Being of the Holy Ghost/Spirit) working together in harmony, then, Yes.

    Roman Catholicisms definition does not include a body for the Father and Son, but instead vaporizes their "form", "shape", "likeness", "image", etc., which is gross error, and because of that meld not only those two, but also the third. There are also the errors of eternal generation and eternal spiration.

    I can agree with you here, in that I do not see any 'tearing' into, but what I do see, is misguided information (website), which brought about the questions.

    Hopefully I have answered your questions, and would not mind so further answering additional questions on the topic. I am fully studied on this matter and prepared to answer with official citations.
     
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  13. Phoebe Ann

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    So the Holy Spirit went from being called "IT" to being "HE." Well, you got carried away and I don't intend to read all that.

    Thank you for post 32, but I've lost interest I think.
     
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    The Holy Ghost is called both in scripture (KJB), as is Jesus.

    Some stumble over the Holy Spirit being called “it”, and by this claim that He is only a force, a power, a non-intelligence. Yet, they should also recognize that Jesus was called “it” [Revelation 12:4 KJB], “child” [Revelation 12:2,4,5 KJB], “holy thing” [Luke 1:35 KJB] and “holy child” [Acts 4:27,30 KJB], all of which are also neuter gender. Jesus is still a person and masculine. The wicked angels are also called “it” [Luke 8:29, 9:39, 11:14, etc. KJB], but they too are intelligent [though created] beings and cited in the masculine. Neuter terms do not automatically mean inanimate, for instance, the terms “child”, “babe”, “person”, “mail-carrier”, “flight attendant”, etc.

    Even the Father is called by a neuter term in scripture if you really look. I'll let you look first.

    I did not get carried away, but provided detailed and unarguable documentation and evidence, and so is for any who decide to come look later, even if you do not read it presently. I cannot afford to leave the matter half way done, for if I leave, it must be able to stand.

    You are welcome. I do not mind questions in future if you feel it necessary, just grab my attention.
     
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    So if some of the founders knew the Catholic Dogma was false, they decided to keep with it anyway, or ignore it calling it vanity. They chose to retain the tag Trinitarian knowing it was misleading. It's not just a tag though, but pertains to the metaphysical nature of Christ and God. Holy Spirit(Gnostic God?)
     
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    In order to be God all three have to be one and the same being or essence. The RCC has always taught that they are three distinct persons while one in being.
     
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    Of course not... you mischaracterized White and lacked facts about her beliefs. Now proven wrong with an incredible amount of proof, you'll just close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears and keep throwing darts until something hits. You just proved, with your response, that you aren't seeking truth.... rather... your mission is to stir the pot even after being proven wrong. Very sad!
     
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