The trees in the Garden according to the Qur'an

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2:35 We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

What tree was this?

7:20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."

What tree was this?

7:22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

What tree was this?

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2:35 We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

What tree was this?

7:20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."

What tree was this?

7:22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

What tree was this?

Thank you.

What text are you citing here ?

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Well if it is referring to a related story to the biblical one, then it would be the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

‘Satan whispered to them so as to expose their nakedness, which had been hidden from them: he said: “Your Lord only forbade you this tree to prevent you becoming angels or immortals,” and he swore to them: “I am giving you sincere advice” he lured them with lies. Their nakedness became exposed to them when they had eaten from the tree: they began to put together leaves from the Garden to cover themselves. Their Lord called to them: “Did I not forbid you to approach that tree? Did I not warn you that Satan was your sworn enemy?” They replied: “Our Lord, we have wronged our souls: if You do not forgive us and have mercy, we shall be lost.”’ (Al-A‘raf: 20-23).

Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes: ‘Contrary to the Biblical account in Genesis 3, where Eve is both the immediate object of Satan’s temptation and the agent of temptation for Adam, in the Quranic account Adam and Eve are both directly tempted by Satan and succumb to his temptation together.

'That Adam and Eve are capable of disobeying God in Paradise indicates that they had free will even before the fall. Adam and Eve’s sudden awareness of their nakedness suggests their loss of innocence and evokes a profound sense of alienation, even from themselves; that is, from the honored station in which God had created them, worthy as they had been of the angels’ prostration. This awareness prompts them to sew together leaves of the Garden to cover themselves, which serves as a scriptural basis for the Divine gift of raiment for human beings, as discussed in vv. 26– 27, 31– 32.

‘Iblīs tempts Adam and his wife by suggesting, falsely, that God had forbidden them the fruit of the tree only because eating it would allow them to become angels and to abide (forever), that is, to be immortal; cf. 20: 120: Then Satan whispered to him. He said, “O Adam! Shall I show thee the Tree of Everlastingness, and a kingdom that never decays?” By suggesting the possibility of their becoming angels, or immortal, Satan raises in them false hopes and desires, a satanic tactic mentioned elsewhere; see 4: 119– 20.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary’).
 
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‘Satan whispered to them so as to expose their nakedness, which had been hidden from them: he said: “Your Lord only forbade you this tree to prevent you becoming angels or immortals,” and he swore to them: “I am giving you sincere advice” he lured them with lies. Their nakedness became exposed to them when they had eaten from the tree: they began to put together leaves from the Garden to cover themselves. Their Lord called to them: “Did I not forbid you to approach that tree? Did I not warn you that Satan was your sworn enemy?” They replied: “Our Lord, we have wronged our souls: if You do not forgive us and have mercy, we shall be lost.”’ (Al-A‘raf: 20-23).

Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes: ‘Contrary to the Biblical account in Genesis 3, where Eve is both the immediate object of Satan’s temptation and the agent of temptation for Adam, in the Quranic account Adam and Eve are both directly tempted by Satan and succumb to his temptation together.

'That Adam and Eve are capable of disobeying God in Paradise indicates that they had free will even before the fall. Adam and Eve’s sudden awareness of their nakedness suggests their loss of innocence and evokes a profound sense of alienation, even from themselves; that is, from the honored station in which God had created them, worthy as they had been of the angels’ prostration. This awareness prompts them to sew together leaves of the Garden to cover themselves, which serves as a scriptural basis for the Divine gift of raiment for human beings, as discussed in vv. 26– 27, 31– 32.

‘Iblīs tempts Adam and his wife by suggesting, falsely, that God had forbidden them the fruit of the tree only because eating it would allow them to become angels and to abide (forever), that is, to be immortal; cf. 20: 120: Then Satan whispered to him. He said, “O Adam! Shall I show thee the Tree of Everlastingness, and a kingdom that never decays?” By suggesting the possibility of their becoming angels, or immortal, Satan raises in them false hopes and desires, a satanic tactic mentioned elsewhere; see 4: 119– 20.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary’).

The Bible puts the blame on both Adam and Eve.

2:35 We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

What tree was this?

7:20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."

What tree was this?

7:22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

What tree was this?
 
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‘Satan whispered to them so as to expose their nakedness, which had been hidden from them: he said: “Your Lord only forbade you this tree to prevent you becoming angels or immortals,” and he swore to them: “I am giving you sincere advice” he lured them with lies. Their nakedness became exposed to them when they had eaten from the tree: they began to put together leaves from the Garden to cover themselves. Their Lord called to them: “Did I not forbid you to approach that tree? Did I not warn you that Satan was your sworn enemy?” They replied: “Our Lord, we have wronged our souls: if You do not forgive us and have mercy, we shall be lost.”’ (Al-A‘raf: 20-23).

Seyyed Hossein Nasr writes: ‘Contrary to the Biblical account in Genesis 3, where Eve is both the immediate object of Satan’s temptation and the agent of temptation for Adam, in the Quranic account Adam and Eve are both directly tempted by Satan and succumb to his temptation together.

'That Adam and Eve are capable of disobeying God in Paradise indicates that they had free will even before the fall. Adam and Eve’s sudden awareness of their nakedness suggests their loss of innocence and evokes a profound sense of alienation, even from themselves; that is, from the honored station in which God had created them, worthy as they had been of the angels’ prostration. This awareness prompts them to sew together leaves of the Garden to cover themselves, which serves as a scriptural basis for the Divine gift of raiment for human beings, as discussed in vv. 26– 27, 31– 32.

‘Iblīs tempts Adam and his wife by suggesting, falsely, that God had forbidden them the fruit of the tree only because eating it would allow them to become angels and to abide (forever), that is, to be immortal; cf. 20: 120: Then Satan whispered to him. He said, “O Adam! Shall I show thee the Tree of Everlastingness, and a kingdom that never decays?” By suggesting the possibility of their becoming angels, or immortal, Satan raises in them false hopes and desires, a satanic tactic mentioned elsewhere; see 4: 119– 20.’ (‘The Study Quran: A New Translation and Commentary’).
You wanted to know what tree. Now you know (see the final paragraph of my first post...look for the words in bold).
 
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7:20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."
The fruit which would have them live forever would be from the Tree of Life. Because God said They needed to remove Adam and Eve from the Garden so they would not eat that tree's fruit and live forever.

So, it is not the same as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, is it, Niblo? @Niblo
 
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The fruit which would have them live forever would be from the Tree of Life. Because God said They needed to remove Adam and Eve from the Garden so they would not eat that tree's fruit and live forever.

So, it is not the same as the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, is it, Niblo? @Niblo

Hello there.

That's correct. It is not the same. Depending on the translator it is the Tree of Everlastingness; of Life; of Immortality; of Eternity.

Have a great day, and very best regards.
 
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Hello there.

That's correct. It is not the same. Depending on the translator it is the Tree of Everlastingness; of Life; of Immortality; of Eternity.

Have a great day, and very best regards.
What would the theologic implications in Islam be here, though?
They ate of the Tree of Life/Immortality, yet they are condemned to death and having to leave the garden on account thereof?
Why would there then be an association with moral questions like nakedness?
Could you explain the Islamic reasoning how a Tree of Life's fruit resulted paradoxically in its opposite?
 
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The fruit that brought them temporary death Jesus took in the Olive Garden called the fifth cup of the jewish Seder meal That brought life to us through God's Flesh and blood dying. So in a way every curse Adam receive Christ also received for our life! I'll add some more study for sharing with Muslims below.
 
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Two of the greatest love stories in the Bible.

First I'll tell you the last love story in the bible. Its about Christ and His bride,"The Church". Even though she had disobeyed and sinned He loved her with all His heart. In Gethsemane where the press squeezed the oil out of the olives,



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the weight of our sin squeezed life giving blood out of Jesus. He then partakes in the,"fifth" cup of the Seder meal that night. In fact the Seder meal, remembering the Passover Lamb that brought protection and deliverance in Egypt. Jesus drinks from the first three cups, (three times from one cup) but not the fourth cup.* The fourth cup is the Passover cup. Pesach translated Passover literally means "protection." Jesus would not take this cup of protection, because the protection is possible only because He (God's first born) substituted His death for us and them. If G-d's first born did not die in their place on the cross, (the first born sons of Israel in Egypt) there would not have been a fourth cup of protection, (remembering God's protection of their first born in Egypt) in their past to remember. Kind of like the movie, "Back to the future" where they were concerned about changing the future, by changing some past event. But Jesus was concerned about changing the past, by not fulfilling the prophecy of His future. The significance of the Passover (first day of Unleavened Bread) which is also a Preparation Day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread (a HIGH Sabbath) is truly great. Then He also rested until the end of the Seventh Day Sabbath showing its significance also.




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Both Sabbaths were needed to reveal the reason for Christ's death. Pesach, a Jewish festival that commemorates the exodus of the Jews from Egypt, is marked chiefly by the Seder ritual and the eating of matzoth. It begins on the 14th day of Nisan. The 15th day of
Nisan is a HIGH Sabbath. The last cup or the fifth cup, he took alone, on the Mount of Olives. It did not have wine, but was filled with "G-d's wrath meant for the nations" also known as, "Elijah's cup."* This cup was the cause of Jesus great anguish that made him sweat large drops of blood. Hematidrosis (also called hematohidrosis ) is a very rare condition in which a human being is suffering extreme levels of stress causing capillaries to burst under the skin. Probably from high blood pressure, and then the blood passing through the skin. Leonardo daVinci described a soldier who sweated blood before battle. Also men unexpectedly given a death sentence have suffered from the condition. This
condition is normally fatal. In Luke 22:23-24, Dr. Luke describes this condition with Jesus, he also
tells how an angel from heaven strengthened him. If not for this angel strengthening him, he most likely
likely would have died right then and there.



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That night at sunset is the beginning of His last day alive. There in the olive grove He drinks from the cup, also known as,"Elijah's cup", containing the wrath of God meant for the nations.



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He took this cup knowing it will cost Him his life that very day. Yet He loved his bride, who was created by Him in His likeness and would rather die with her, then live eternity without her. The very, "day" He partakes, He dies, because of His great love for his bride, the Church. He is known as the second Adam.
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The first love story in the bible is much the same. Adam had everything and the earth was beautiful. Yet Adam was lonely, he wanted someone to love and someone to love him. G-d saw this and decided to create a woman out of Adam. G-d had told Adam,"Do not partake from the tree of good and evil, the day you do, you will die." Adam loved his wife with all his heart. As any loving husband he told his wife what G-d had told him,"Do not partake of that tree, the day you do you will die." Adam wanted Eve safe, he also told her as any loving husband may,"Don't even touch it". Now one day Eve was in the garden and the serpent started talking to Eve. Eve told the serpent,"G-d said we can eat of any tree except this one, the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Then she said,"We can't touch it, the day we do we will die." The serpent seeing this miscommunication that had accord between Adam and Eve took advantage of it. The serpent may have leaned on the tree, and Eve seeing the serpent not dying, doubted what her husband had said. She then partakes believing she will not die. Adam sees this and knows his wife is going to die very soon. He is very sad because of a misunderstanding of what he had told her. Adam can't see living without Eve. He decides he would rather die with his bride then live eternity without her, so he partakes also



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yet knowing he will die that very day.



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G-d saw this great love Adam had for his bride Eve and wanted it to continue.



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To G-d a day is as a thousand years, so G-d gave them up to a thousand years to live. Adam lived 930 years, yet still short of the thousand years needed to reach the end of the first day after partaking in the fruit.
These are two real Romeo and Juliet love stories that we are a part of. We are children of Adam because of Adam's love for his bride, and we are children of G-d because of His love for His bride

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What would the theologic implications in Islam be here, though?
They ate of the Tree of Life/Immortality, yet they are condemned to death and having to leave the garden on account thereof?
Why would there then be an association with moral questions like nakedness?
Could you explain the Islamic reasoning how a Tree of Life's fruit resulted paradoxically in its opposite?

Hello there.

It is the position of the Muslims that where the Bible and the Qur’an agree; there is no problem. That where the Bible contradicts the Qur’an; then the Qur’an takes precedence. That where there is neither agreement nor disagreement; then the matter is open for discussion, and Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) knows best!

The Bible and the Qur’an agree that the Exalted created both Adam and Eve; but they differ as to what happened next.

In Genesis (as you know), Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) prohibits both Adam and Eve from eating the fruits of the forbidden tree. However, the snake seduces Eve, and persuades her to eat from it: 'Now, the snake was the most subtle of all the wild animals that Yahweh God had made. It asked the woman: “Did God really say you were not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?” The woman answered the snake: “We may eat the fruit of the trees in the garden. But of the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God said, ‘You must not eat it, nor touch it, under pain of death.’” Then the snake said to the woman: “No! You will not die! God knows in fact that the day you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, knowing good from evil.”. The woman saw that the tree was good to eat and pleasing to the eye, and that it was enticing for the wisdom that it could give. So she took some of its fruit and ate it.’ (Genesis; 3: 1-6).

We are then told that Eve, in turn, seduced Adam to eat with her; and that when Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) rebuked Adam for what he did, he put all the blame on Eve: ‘(God asked): “Have you been eating from the tree I forbade you to eat?” The man replied: “It was the woman you put with me; she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”’ (Verses 11-12).

Consequently, Allah said to Eve: ‘I shall give you intense pain in childbearing, you will give birth to your children in pain.’ (Verse 16).

The Qur’an presents a different account: ‘But you, Adam, and your wife live in the Garden. Both of you eat whatever you like, but do not go near this tree or you will become wrongdoers. Satan whispered to them so as to expose their nakedness, which had been hidden from them. He said: “Your Lord only forbade you this tree to prevent you becoming angels or immortals,” and he swore to them: “I am giving you sincere advice” - he lured them with lies. Their nakedness became exposed to them when they had eaten from the tree: they began to put together leaves from the Garden to cover themselves. Their Lord called to them: “Did I not forbid you to approach that tree? Did I not warn you that Satan was your sworn enemy?” (Al-A‘raf: 19-23).

You will see that the Qur’an places equal blame on both Adam and Eve for their mistake. Nowhere in the Qur’an do we find even the slightest suggestion that Eve tempted Adam to eat from the tree; or even that she had eaten before him. In the Qur’an, Eve is not a temptress; not a seducer; and not a deceiver. Moreover, she is not told that she (and by implication, all women after her) would suffer intense pain in childbearing as a direct result of her actions.

Adam and Eve committed a sin. That much is clear. It was not Adam alone. When challenged they replied: ‘Our Lord, we have wronged our souls: if You do not forgive us and have mercy, we shall be lost.’ (Al-A‘raf: 23).

Muslims do not accept that mankind suffers the consequences of Adam and Eve's sin; and the principal reason they do not accept this is that the pair were forgiven.

Islam places great emphasis on the nature of Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla)’s forgiveness - not just for Adam and Eve - but for each of us. According to Islamic theology all will stand before Him on the Day of Judgement. Each will be given a record of our lives. Those whose book is placed in their right hand will be admitted to Paradise; and those whose book is placed in their left will not.

It is a tradition that a record of good deeds is made straight away; but that a record of bad deeds is delayed for some hours, to allow for repentance. Even when a sin is recorded it can be erased by sincere and genuine repentance (tawbah). Not only does tawbah wipe out an evil deed, it transforms that deed into a good one: ‘Those who repent, believe, and do good deeds, Allāh will change the evil deeds of such people into good ones. He is most forgiving, most merciful’ (Al-Furqan: 70).

Every day of their lives - many times a day - Muslims speak the words: ‘The Lord of Mercy’; ‘The Giver of Mercy’; ‘The Compassionate’; ‘The Merciful’. These are the Beloved’s Names. We did not give them to Him, He chose them for Himself. Of all His Names, these are His favorite. That is why we are asked to speak them so often - so that we do not forget Who it is that loves us; Who it is that binds us to Himself with ties of tenderness, mercy and forgiveness.

The truth that Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) not only forgives sin, but wipes them out is proclaimed in the Bible also: ‘Yahweh is tenderness and pity, slow to anger and rich in faithful love; His indignation does not last for ever, nor His resentment remain for all time; He does not treat us as our sins deserve, nor repay us as befits our offences. As the height of Heaven above earth, so strong is His faithful love for those who fear Him. As the distance of east from west, so far from us does He put our faults. As tenderly as a father treats his children, so Yahweh treats those who fear Him; He knows of what we are made, He remembers that we are dust.’ (Psalm 103: 8-14).

Christians and Muslims agree that the love, mercy and compassion of Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) is the greatest of things, without which none of us could stand, not even for the briefest of moments. A person could spend an eternity in contemplation of this truth and not touch the depth and breadth of it.

Summary:

Adam and Eve were not ‘thrown out of the Garden’ in punishment. The Qur'an has made it clear that Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) accepted their repentance and pardoned them. His command that they leave the Garden for Earth brought to fulfilment the purpose for which they were created in the first place. In Surah ‘Al-Baqara’ Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) tells us: ‘(Prophet), when your Lord told the angels: “I am putting a successor on earth,” they said: “How can You put someone there who will cause damage and bloodshed, when we celebrate Your praise and proclaim Your holiness?”. But He said: “I know things you do not.” He taught Adam all the names (of things), then He showed them to the angels and said: “Tell me the names of these if you truly (think you can)”. They said: “May You be glorified! We have knowledge only of what You have taught us. You are the All Knowing and All Wise.”’ (Verses: 30-32).

Note the opening words: ‘I am putting a successor on Earth’. This was always Adam’s destination.

You ask: ‘Why would there be an association with moral questions like nakedness?’

Thank you. This is something I’ve not thought of before.

In Surah ‘Al-A‘raf’ (verse 26) we are told that Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) provides each of us with garments to cover our nakedness; but that the garment of ‘God-consciousness’ is the best of all garments; one of His signs.

The Surah goes on to warn that we should not let Satan seduce us; to strip us of our garments. According to Razi, this means that we should not permit him to rob us of our God-consciousness.

Perhaps the shame of Adam and Eve was not for their unclothed bodies, but for their (temporary) loss of God-consciousness.

Have a great weekend.
 
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You wanted to know what tree. Now you know (see the final paragraph of my first post...look for the words in bold).

2:35 We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

This tree refers to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Bible.

7:20 Then began Satan to whisper suggestions to them, bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said: "Your Lord only forbade you this tree, lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."

This tree refers to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Bible.

7:22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree, their shame became manifest to them, and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that Satan was an avowed enemy unto you?"

This tree refers to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the Bible.

The Qur'an refers to the tree of eternity.

This tree refers to the tree of life in the Bible.
 
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According to the Qur'an were Adam and Eve supposed to live forever?
Islam teaches that Adam asked for forgiveness for his sin; if so, why was he thrown out of the Garden?

In answer to your first question:

We have not granted everlasting life to any other human being before you either (Muhammad) – if you die, will (the disbelievers) live for ever? Every soul is certain to taste death: We test you all through the bad and the good, and to Us you will all return.’ (Al-Anbiya: 34-35).

It was ‘Iblīs who suggested that Adam and his wife would live forever. He lied.

And to your second:

Read Post 13 in full. Be sure to look for the paragraph immediately following the word ‘Summary’.
 
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In answer to your first question:

We have not granted everlasting life to any other human being before you either (Muhammad) – if you die, will (the disbelievers) live for ever? Every soul is certain to taste death: We test you all through the bad and the good, and to Us you will all return.’ (Al-Anbiya: 34-35).

It was ‘Iblīs who suggested that Adam and his wife would live forever. He lied.

And to your second:

Read Post 13 in full. Be sure to look for the paragraph immediately following the word ‘Summary’.

Adam and Eve were to live forever since they had access to the Tree of Life; they ate of the forbidden tree and were thrown out of the Garden. Sinful man will not be permitted to live in Paradise forever.

From the Bible:

Genesis 3:22 The Lord God said, “Since man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever.”

Genesis 3:24 He drove man out and stationed the cherubim and the flaming, whirling sword east of the garden of Eden to guard the way to the tree of life.

Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, but violence takes lives.

Revelation 2:7 “Anyone who has an ear should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. I will give the victor the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in God’s paradise.

Revelation 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

If Islam teaches otherwise, then this is just one more example of the Qur'an contradicting the Bible, it claims to confirm.
 
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Adam and Eve were to live forever since they had access to the Tree of Life; they ate of the forbidden tree and were thrown out of the Garden. Sinful man will not be permitted to live in Paradise forever.

From the Bible:

Genesis 3:22 The Lord God said, “Since man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil, he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever.”

Genesis 3:24 He drove man out and stationed the cherubim and the flaming, whirling sword east of the garden of Eden to guard the way to the tree of life.

Proverbs 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, but violence takes lives.

Revelation 2:7 “Anyone who has an ear should listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. I will give the victor the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in God’s paradise.

Revelation 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and may enter the city by the gates.

If Islam teaches otherwise, then this is just one more example of the Qur'an contradicting the Bible, it claims to confirm.

I repeat: It is the position of the Muslims that where the Bible and the Qur’an agree; there is no problem. That where the Bible contradicts the Qur’an; then the Qur’an takes precedence. That where there is neither agreement nor disagreement; then the matter is open for discussion, and Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) knows best!

It is as it is, George.
 
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I repeat: It is the position of the Muslims that where the Bible and the Qur’an agree; there is no problem. That where the Bible contradicts the Qur’an; then the Qur’an takes precedence. That where there is neither agreement nor disagreement; then the matter is open for discussion, and Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) knows best!

It is as it is, George.

Since the Qur'an confirms what we have in our hands today, when the Qur'an contradicts what we have in our hands today, IT IS the Qur'an that is corrupted.
 
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