The Trans Question...

[Ana the Ist]

Well, that’s the point, innit?
Our science hasn’t yet given us the option to “fix the brain” so that it expects to see the genitals that its body sports.
So some of these unfortunates find the need to have to modify their body because, right now we can do that.

(Coming up on 780 posts for a population of roughly 2 million people. If the 99.4% of us can’t find accommodation for the 0.6% of people who are transgender, maybe we should rethink our society?)

I don't know how accommodating it is to lie to someone experiencing such a problem.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Does that include teenagers?

A gender transition is a process you can go through to express your gender. There are many ways you can transition, including:
Health Care for Transgender Teens

• Changing how you dress or act
  
  
• Changing your name and preferred pronouns (she, he, they, etc.)
  
  
• Taking medication (including puberty blockers and hormone treatment)
  
  
• Having surgery

I would suggest actually reading the site rather than cherry-picking bits and pieces. You just had to click on the very next section...

 

[RocksInMyHead]

That doesn't seem to be the case.

Based on?

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I'm pretty sure nearly everyone here acknowledges this possibility.

Doesn't seem like you do:

I don't know how accommodating it is to lie to someone experiencing such a problem.

 

[Belk]

Is that a case for allowing children who are yet to grow and mature to transition?

Non surgical transitioning, yes.

Do you believe that you know how to deal with these issues better then the doctors who specialize in the issues around transitioning?

 

[Aldebaran]

Non surgical transitioning, yes.

Do you believe that you know how to deal with these issues better then the doctors who specialize in the issues around transitioning?

Even nonsurgical measures can have life-long effects that could result in far more trauma for the individual than having to wait a little longer before mutilating their body.

"Additional sexual effects include reduction in erectile function, changes in libido, reduced or absent sperm count and ejaculatory fluid, and reduced testicular size. Talk to your doctor about any additional side effects you can expect."
Gender Affirmation Nonsurgical Services

And that's from a PRO-transsexual site.

 

[Belk]

Even nonsurgical measures can have life-long effects that could result in far more trauma for the individual than having to wait a little longer before mutilating their body.

"Additional sexual effects include reduction in erectile function, changes in libido, reduced or absent sperm count and ejaculatory fluid, and reduced testicular size. Talk to your doctor about any additional side effects you can expect."
Gender Affirmation Nonsurgical Services

And that's from a PRO-transsexual site.

OK. I'll ask again, do you believe you know more about the situation and how to properly deal with it then the doctors whom specialize in this area?

 

[Aldebaran]

OK. I'll ask again, do you believe you know more about the situation and how to properly deal with it then the doctors whom specialize in this area?

You mean the ones who actually make MONEY by doing what they do? I dare not question them!

 

[Belk]

You mean the ones who actually make MONEY by doing what they do? I dare not question them!

I should not take you seriously at your profession because you earn a wage to do it? This is your argument for why we should not listen to specialist and instead take your word?

 

[Aldebaran]

I should not take you seriously at your profession because you earn a wage to do it? This is your argument for why we should not listen to specialist and instead take your word?

I always question anyone who pushes questionable things onto society when the ones doing the pushing are the ones who profit from it. Pfizer being the ones saying that their Covid vaccine is the best, and the government helping them push it comes to mind.

 

[Belk]

I always question anyone who pushes questionable things onto society when the ones doing the pushing are the ones who profit from it. Pfizer being the ones saying that their Covid vaccine is the best, and the government helping them push it comes to mind.

Valid. We should all approach anything new that is being pushed by a party that profits with suspicion.

However this is no longer a new idea. There are multiple studies that support the conclusions that transitioning is the proper path and multiple professional bodies that have an interest in ensuring the hypocratic oath is being adhered to agree. So, that said, do you still disagree that we should follow the advice of the experts?

 

[Aldebaran]

Valid. We should all approach anything new that is being pushed by a party that profits with suspicion.

However this is no longer a new idea. There are multiple studies that support the conclusions that transitioning is the proper path and multiple professional bodies that have an interest in ensuring the hypocratic oath is being adhered to agree. So, that said, do you still disagree that we should follow the advice of the experts?

Who are "the experts"? Those who call themselves that vary in how well they adhere to that hypocratic oath. Mutilating someone's body to match the confusion of their mind is hardly a sound medical practice. But now I expect you to ask me again if I think I know more than the "experts". Don't bother.

 

[Belk]

Who are "the experts"? Those who call themselves that vary in how well they adhere to that hypocratic oath. Mutilating someone's body to match the confusion of their mind is hardly a sound medical practice. But now I expect you to ask me again if I think I know more than the "experts". Don't bother.

Indeed. I have been answered. You denigrate their expertise.

 

[Aldebaran]

Indeed. I have been answered. You denigrate their expertise.

The results of their "expertise" denigrates it.

 

[Belk]

The results of their "expertise" denigrates it.

ipse dixit

 

[The Righterzpen]

The real issue here is: What is truth?

1. That the trans person is suffering from a personal problem created by a condition that causes them to see themselves as a gender different from their sex.

It's obviously true that if someone thinks they are a gender other than the biological gender they were born as; they are suffering from a "personal problem".

Therefore, the best option is to just play along and let them present themselves however they want. This will ultimately reduce suicide in the trans community.

This statement is false; because "playing along" ultimately does not reduce the suicide rate in that community. The LGBTQ+++ community still has the highest rates of suicide and mental health needs per capita of any other population and this is true even in nations that are very liberal in accepting the "life style".

The only exception to that, (in regards to suicides per capita) might be combat vets? We know 22 veterans a day commit suicide; but that percentile "per capita" is among how many veterans total?

But LGBTQ+++ only account for maybe 3 to 4% of any given ("liberal") nations' population. And this is including homosexuals in that stat who identify as their birth gender; not just trans people. Trans people are a smaller subset of the larger LGBTQ+++ population. And I'm guessing the new statistic is that trans people have an even higher suicided rate than homosexuals.

Adding to this; that the "trend" seen, is an explosion in the trans stat over the past 10 or so years, that only includes people under 21 years old. And here's where the issue is. If an adult wants to cosmetically alter their appearance; that decision is on them. (And they aught to foot the cost of the surgery themselves too!)

But if you're dealing with a bunch of 5 year olds; consistently telling them they might not actually be the gender they were born; one has to keep in mind, that's a population that also believes they might be unicorns, Spiderman, or Pocahontas. So, consistently reinforcing gender confusion in children starting at that age; is a reflection of the psychological instability of the people pushing an agenda!

And THAT should not be happening!

2. The trans person has no problem. The problem is with society not realizing that there is no significant difference between man and woman, even biologically, and gender and gender roles are all just made up relics of the past.

This statement is also fundamentally false.

There is a kernel of truth that certain aspects of "gender roles" are determined by what's acceptable in society. Generally women take care of small children. That has historically been the case, seeing how prior to maybe the mid 19th century; basically the only food source for infants was human breast milk, which is only produced as a result of pregnancy. Not that men can't take care of children. Many men successfully do so and are very good primary care givers. (Also prior to the advent of effective baby formula, as well as advancements in medicine and hygiene; the infant mortality rate was much higher than it is today.)

The vast majority of people in industrial societies no longer believe that women can't be doctors, lawyers, engineers, construction workers or serve in the armed forces or law enforcement. Nor do they believe men can't be school teachers, nurses, or occupy secretarial type jobs (men have been school teachers and nurses for centuries).

Yet "gender roles" still are determined by the occupational choices individuals make, that are fundamentally driven by the make up of the psychological and physical differences between men and women. Engineering, construction work, police and militaries are still "male dominated" and child care, nursing and (at least school teachers for younger children) are still "female dominated".

So no, it is a lie also that there is no significant differences (be it in terms of biology or psychology) between men and women.