The tip of the ice berg

[TLK Valentine]

And that trope was from someone that believed in evolution. His point was that it happened anyway

It's called "Hoyle's Fallacy" for a reason -- and no, that wasn't his point. His point was to promote panspermia.

Research is what separates using quotes from merely parroting them.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think we can agree that if even you want to distance yourself from that trope, you must realize how asinine it really is.






I can think of several terms here that you're going to have to be more specific about, before you can graduate from "believing" in something to "understanding" it.

Those three terms are ape, man, and "the wild."

Let's start with "the wild."

You said something good here: "I believe the animal best suited to its environment survives and breeds and passes on its traits to the next generation and change occurs that way."

Now, the next step is to realize that an animal's environment is in a constant state of change... and what was "suitable" a year ago can quickly become a death sentence.

Now, what happens to a species if its environment changes faster than they can pass on their traits?
Answer: it goes extinct.

UNLESS, of all the possible traits that an animal can develop, there was one that gave the animal the ability to adapt to changing conditions in its environment in its current generation?

Well, there is -- and it so happens that a long time ago, a group of ape-like ancestors developed this trait, and they've been running with it ever since:

Intelligence.

You think apes are better suited for living in "the wild" than humans? Then help me out here:

Gorillas: Critically endangered
Chimpanzees: Endangered
Orangutans: Critically endangered
Bonobos: Endangered

Humans: Doing just fine; thanks for asking.

And why are the four (other) types of great apes on the brink? It comes down to three things: hunting, habitat loss, and habitat fragmentation.

... and guess who's responsible for all three?

"The wild" is a mythical place these days -- the only reason these or any other animals even have an environment is because we allow them to have one...


... and we're not all on the same page about allowing them, are we?

One thing. How come some of these common ancestors adapted by becoming men and others by becoming chimpanzees if they were in the same environment?

 

[TLK Valentine]

This is true. Most sense you've made yet. I almost have to give you an agree rating

I figure it's only sporting to give you a goal to aspire to.

 

[BPPLEE]

It's called "Hoyle's Fallacy" for a reason -- and no, that wasn't his point. His point was to promote panspermia.

Research is what separates using quotes from merely parroting them.

Then I am the victim of someone who plagiarized it

 

[TLK Valentine]

One thing. How come some of these common ancestors adapted by becoming men and others by becoming chimpanzees if they were in the same environment?

Well, first of all, they didn't just "become men" and "become chimpanzees" -- there were many smaller steps starting (according to the evidence available) about six million years ago.

And second -- "if they were in the same environment" -- they weren't. You don't think animals migrate? Especially predators like apes... they go where the food is, and the food is usually trying to get away from them.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then I am the victim of someone who plagiarized it

A dishonest creationist, as like as not.

Junkyard tornado - Wikipedia

 

[BPPLEE]

A dishonest creationist, as like as not.

Junkyard tornado - Wikipedia

Actually it was someone promoting evolution when I read it but I liked it
He didn't give credit to the source

 

[Homeowner]

Yup -- and the theory of evolution is so complex now it needs computers to store all its information.

And computers are built on silicon.

And silicon is mined from sand.

Which brings us to what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

By definition your posts then - all millions of them - are built on sand by a foolish man as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

By definition your posts then - all millions of them - are built on sand by a foolish man as well.

That is correct.

 

[driewerf]

Yup -- and the theory of evolution is so complex now it needs computers to store all its information.

And computers are built on silicon.

And silicon is mined from sand.

Which brings us to what Jesus said:

Matthew 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Evolution is a house built on sand by atheists.

And it's due for a fall when Jesus comes back.

If you believe that this is a valid argument - it isn't, but if you believe it - please be informed that all sciences (including but not limited to chemistry, physics, genetics, geology, biochemstry) rely on computers. So all sciences are built on sand according to your argument and all scences will fall.

YEC's are anti-science. Once more demonstrated.

 

[AV1611VET]

YEC's are anti-science. Once more demonstrated.

Just FYI, I'm not a YEC.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Just FYI, I'm not a YEC.

You wear their colors, you fly their flag, you sing their anthem...

You just admitted to being a foolish man; what does it say that you've fooled yourself?

 

[AV1611VET]

You wear their colors, you fly their flag, you sing their anthem...

You have no idea what to look for, do you?

And you wonder why I'm so critical of those who say there was no Exodus?

Do YECs produce Bible verses that say the earth was created old?

 

[Aussie Pete]

Spoiler Alert: that's what a creationist is.

According to you, that is. I believe in truth. Call me a "truthist" if you like.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You have no idea what to look for, do you?

Biblical literalism (selectively enforced): check.

Semantic games (poorly played): check.

Disdain for science (with embrace of pseudoscience): check.

I may not know the chemical formula for fertilizer, but I recognize the smell.

And you wonder why I'm so critical of those who say there was no Exodus?

Speak for yourself; I don't wonder why at all.

Do YECs produce Bible verses that say the earth was created old?

I'm sure some do -- you're just not that special these days.

 

[AV1611VET]

You have no idea what to look for, do you?

Biblical literalism (selectively enforced): check.

Semantic games (poorly played): check.

Disdain for science (with embrace of pseudoscience): check.

Thanks for the QED.

I'm sure some do -- you're just not that special these days.

That's because you're trying to make me out to be something I'm not.

That's why I don't come across as "that special."

You're trying to put a star peg into a square hole.

Thanks again for the QED.

 

[driewerf]

Just FYI, I'm not a YEC.

You are YEC, for all things practical. And your embedded age nonsense is just YEC-ism in disguise.

 

[Homeowner]

That's why I don't come across as "that special."

Don't listen them. Anyone with near 4 million post on these forums is "special".

 

[AV1611VET]

You are YEC, for all things practical. And your embedded age nonsense is just YEC-ism in disguise.

I see.

If I was a YEC, I surely wouldn't disguise it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't listen them. Anyone with near 4 million post on these forums is "special".

Thank you.

Good point!

They always told me in school I was "special."

Took "special classes" and everything!