The three mysteries in Revelation 17

[Douggg]

In Revelation 17 there are three mysteries that the reader is to solve...


1 The Mystery of Babylon the Great, mother of harlots and abomination of the earth.
The mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

2. The mystery of the harlot - that rode the beast and had the inscription written on her forehead. The Vatican which is located in Rome. Which was responsible for the inquisition.

3. The mystery of the beast - that carried the harlot.
Satan, and the two principals used by him - the original serpent beast in the garden, and the end times person who will be possessed by that serpent spirit when it comes out of the bottomless pit.

 

[BABerean2]

2. The mystery of the harlot - that rode the beast and had the inscription written on her forehead. The Vatican which is located in Rome. Which was responsible for the inquisition.

There is another city built upon seven hills, which is found in the verse below.
It is the only clear reference to this earthly city in the Book of Revelation.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
Rev 17:5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement.
Rev 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Earthly Babylon is not built upon seven hills.

See the link below.
The Seven Hills of Jerusalem

Rev 3:9 Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.

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[Douggg]

Earthly Babylon is not built upon seven hills.

Agreed. So what is your point?

The woman is not Mystery Babylon the great mother of harlots and abominations on the earth. The woman is a harlot, but not the mother of other harlots.

The inscription of the harlot's head - is the mystery that has to be solved of who Babylon the great is, that is the mother of harlots and abominations on the earth. It is Satan and his angels mystical kingdom, that has held sway over mankind since the beginning of the human race.

Jerusalem did not create all the false religions. Nor is Jerusalem the woman, which sits on many waters. The woman is the Vatican, RCC, worldwide.

Rev 17:7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.

There are three mysteries the reader is to solve in Revelation 17.
1. the Mystery of Babylon the Great.
2. the mystery of the woman, the harlot
3. the mystery of the beast that carries her

 

[Jamdoc]

In Revelation 17 there are three mysteries that the reader is to solve...


1 The Mystery of Babylon the Great, mother of harlots and abomination of the earth.
The mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

2. The mystery of the harlot - that rode the beast and had the inscription written on her forehead. The Vatican which is located in Rome. Which was responsible for the inquisition.

3. The mystery of the beast - that carried the harlot.
Satan, and the two principals used by him - the original serpent beast in the garden, and the end times person who will be possessed by that serpent spirit when it comes out of the bottomless pit.

This video has been pretty enlightening on the Mystery Babylon.

now I don't agree with the guy on everything, I don't think that playing an electric guitar in a worship song is satanic for instance.. but the general idea of Mystery Babylon being based out of Semiramis worship from the time of the Tower of Babel, and how many incarnations of this same "queen of heaven" are woven into world culture throughout history and even in modern culture.

and I do really think that a certain religion that came out of paganism with a Christian coat of paint will be bringing in all world religions and even many denominations of Christianity into its fold.

 

[Eloy Craft]

She is a culture. Cain built the first city. Odd isn't it since all it's citizens were all his children.

She is mother of harlots. She became prophetess of another god. Adam became a believer.
When her son murdered her other son, that blood was all the blood ever shed on earth.

She is carried like baggage on the back of the beast. The beast puts to words the ever increasing evil that flows from his heart.

Gen 4:24

If Cain is avenged seven times
then Lamech seventy-seven times.

They asked Jesus how many times they must forgive their neighbor. They asked...seven times? Jesus said no, seventy seven times seven times.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

1 The Mystery of Babylon the Great, mother of harlots and abomination of the earth.
The mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

The world economic system,imho, has to fall. Money(currency) will become worthless and people will not know how to function without cash. I believe the Church with the indwelling Holy Spirit will not be in the world at that time, but salvation will be available for a remnant. I think an interesting study would be discovering how the currency system got started and who started it.We know the patriarchs dealt in gold and silver, but when was currency standardized? It is something to think about.

 

[Douggg]

The world economic system,imho, has to fall. Money(currency) will become worthless and people will not know how to function without cash. I believe the Church with the indwelling Holy Spirit will not be in the world at that time, but salvation will be available for a remnant. I think an interesting study would be discovering how the currency system got started and who started it.We know the patriarchs dealt in gold and silver, but when was currency standardized? It is something to think about.

Could be...

James 5:
1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

 

[Scott Husted]

In Revelation 17 there are three mysteries that the reader is to solve...


1 The Mystery of Babylon the Great, mother of harlots and abomination of the earth.
The mystical kingdom of Satan and his angels.

2. The mystery of the harlot - that rode the beast and had the inscription written on her forehead. The Vatican which is located in Rome. Which was responsible for the inquisition.

3. The mystery of the beast - that carried the harlot.
Satan, and the two principals used by him - the original serpent beast in the garden, and the end times person who will be possessed by that serpent spirit when it comes out of the bottomless pit.

Like the kingdom Jesus preached the entire book of Revelation was something that was at hand, or within reach at the very time it was given to John, where even where he was in one way became symbolic to the process of the truth of the Revelation he was given.

There are all kinds of ways to make this fit into one's perception of what these words might mean (which previous generations have read into their present times in the same manner as people do today) but most of them do not facilitate our relationship with our father as his sons, nor depict the cohesive nature of the Bible that starts with the words In the beginning, and ends with the mystery being found in us as the purpose God purposed in himself.

Take a simple phrase as "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth." It should be obvious that this is metaphorical which makes the city a picture of something that relates to the purpose of God in us, much like Jesus who though nailed to a cross was referenced as being hung on a tree was to this same end. Similar to this is a pit without a bottom ...

 

[5thKingdom]

In Revelation 17 there are three mysteries that the reader is to solve....

Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]



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[Douggg]

Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]



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I will explain your view, of Five Kingdoms of Heaven, the basics of it, since you are such a poor communicator. You are holding a view that is something like dispensationalism (another flawed view), which dispensationalism divides history up into "dispensations" of how God has dealt with man.

You divide history up into there being a Kingdom of Heaven on earth throughout history and into eternity to the New Heaven and New Earth. And giving labels (names) to each period. Your label(s) in blue italics.

1st Kingdom of Heaven on earth - the pre-flood Kingdom of Heaven
2nd Kingdom of Heaven on earth - the Jewish Kingdom of Heaven
3rd Kingdom of Heaven on earth - the Christian Kingdom of Heaven
4th Kingdom of Heaven on earth - the Great Tribulation Kingdom of Heaven
5th Kingdom of Heaven - the eternal Kingdom of Heaven following the great while throne judgement.
_________________________________________________

It is a totally flawed view because be there is only one Kingdom of Heaven and only one way to enter it and have eternal life.

 

[Douggg]

Take a simple phrase as "And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth." It should be obvious that this is metaphorical which makes the city a picture of something that relates to the purpose of God in us, much like Jesus who though nailed to a cross was referenced as being hung on a tree was to this same end. Similar to this is a pit without a bottom ...

The city is metaphorical. But it refers to Satan and his angels invisible kingdom having sway over the nations and men. Babylon has fallen, has fallen is that kingdom on its way to its demise.

 

[5thKingdom]

You are holding a view that is something like dispensationalism, which dispensatinalism divides history up into "dispensations" of how God has dealt with man.
It is totally flawed because be there is only one Kingdom of Heaven...

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Let me CORRECT your mistake and HOPE it was unintentional.

I am NOT saying there were four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth.
It is the Lord Jesus Christ that is specifically NAMING these Kingdoms.
Your fight is with the Lord Jesus Christ (not me)

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Jesus NAMED the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 22:2
That was not ME who said those words it was JESUS.

Jesus NAMED the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 13 (in 8 verses)
That was not ME who said those words it was JESUS.

Jesus NAMED the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 25:1
That was not ME who said those words it was JESUS

Jesus NAMED the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Mattew 5 and 7 and 8 and 19
That was not ME who said those words it was Jesus

If you do not AGREE with what Jesus NAMED... that is your decision
If you want to REJECT what Jesus NAMED... that is your decision
If you want to IGNORE what Jesus NAMED... that is also your decision

But do not PRETEND that it was ME who NAMED these Kingdoms
because you already KNOW that is not true... at least be honest.

Now you can SAY there is only ONE "Kingdom of Heaven"...
but you are calling JESUS a liar... since He NAMED several.

Here is your PROBLEM.

If you accept what Jesus NAMED then your entire gospel is immediately destroyed.
So here is your TEST... will you submit to what Jesus NAMED
Or will you IGNORE Jesus to protect your gospel?

My experience is that most people choose to IGNORE what Jesus NAMED
so they can protect their current gospel. I suspect you will do the same.


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[Douggg]

Let me CORRECT your mistake and HOPE it was unintentional.

I am NOT saying there were four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth.
It is the Lord Jesus Christ that is specifically NAMING these Kingdoms.
Your fight is with the Lord Jesus Christ (not me)

It is you who has come up with the labels - not Jesus.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus NAMED the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 22:2
That was not ME who said those words it was JESUS.

copy and paste from the text of Matthew 22:2 the exact words of Jesus
"Jewish Kingdom of Heaven". Otherwise, admit it is you who has come up with the labels, name in blue italics.

 

[5thKingdom]

It is you who has come up with the labels - not Jesus.

Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Jewish Kingdom


Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Christian Kingdom


Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Great Tribulation Kingdom


Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west,
and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Eternal Kingdom


You said:
It is you who has come up with the labels - not Jesus.

I hate to break the bad news to you buddy but it is JESUS (not me)
that specifically NAMES four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven"

Like I said before... I do not EXPECT you to submit to what JESUS NAMED
because it will immediately destroy your current "gospel"....
I expect you to IGNORE what Jesus said and
protect your current gospel
So far I am correct


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[5thKingdom]

copy and paste from the text of Matthew 22:2 the exact words of Jesus
"Jewish Kingdom of Heaven". Otherwise, admit it is you who has come up with the labels, name in blue italics.

Douggg... are you telling me YOU CANNOT DISCERN who is the context of this passage?
Really? You have NO IDEA who is the subject of this passage?


Mat 22:2-7
The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would
not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold,
I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready:
come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm,
another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them
spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent
forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


That was the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
and the following verses show the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"


Mat 22:8-14
Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were
not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to
the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together
all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with
guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had
not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither
not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the
servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness;
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
For many are called, but few are chosen.



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[Douggg]

You said:
It is you who has come up with the labels - not Jesus.

I hate to break the bad news to you buddy but it is JESUS (not me)
that specifically NAMES four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven"

You went back and admitted more or less that you are basing your labels (names) on the context of the parables - not Jesus Himself saying "Jewish Kingdom of Heaven"

Yet, you still continue to say...
I hate to break the bad news to you buddy but it is JESUS (not me)
that specifically NAMES four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven"

No, Jesus is not. It is you doing it. You have invented an entire dispensationalism-like systematic view of dividing history of man up into 5 Kingdom of Heaven periods.

 

[5thKingdom]

You went back and admitted more or less that you are basing your labels (names) on the context of the parables - not Jesus Himself saying "Jewish Kingdom of Heaven"

Yet, you still continue to say...
I hate to break the bad news to you buddy but it is JESUS (not me)
that specifically NAMES four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven"

No, Jesus is not. It is you doing it. You have invented an entire dispensationalism-like systematic view of dividing history of man up into 5 Kingdom of Heaven periods.

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OK Douggg... you want to pretend you cannot discern WHO is the subject
of these verses. That is hilarious because any 10 year old can see WHO
these verses are talking about.

Clearly you will play the fool in order to protect your current gospel.
Good luck with that.


Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Jewish Kingdom


Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Christian Kingdom


Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Great Tribulation Kingdom


Mat 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west,
and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
This verse has the CONTEXT of the Eternal Kingdom


You said:
It is you who has come up with the labels - not Jesus.

I hate to break the bad news to you buddy but it is JESUS (not me)
that specifically NAMES four separate "Kingdoms of Heaven"

Like I said before... I do not EXPECT you to submit to what JESUS NAMED
because it will immediately destroy your current "gospel"....
I expect you to IGNORE what Jesus said and
protect your current gospel
So far I am correct

 

[Scott Husted]

The city is metaphorical. But it refers to Satan and his angels invisible kingdom having sway over the nations and men. Babylon has fallen, has fallen is that kingdom on its way to its demise.

For me it's more closer to home ...

 

[Douggg]

For me it's more closer to home ...

Okay, Scott. nonetheless, I disagree with your interpretation. But as long as some one is not being super aggressive in their posts, I don't have to be somewhat aggressive back. I therefore would urge you to think about what I wrote about Babylon is fallen, is fallen at the beginning of Revelation 18. And I will let it go at that.