The thing about Adam that really disgusts me

[YahuahSaves]

I understand that. What still gives me a problem was what you said here. Was it a typo?



I am not making a connection with that.

Through Mary Jesus was a son of David. Not Eve. Its Mary's seed that fulfilled the prophecy of Gen 3:15 concerning the seed of the woman.

Genesis 3:15 was speaking of the function of a woman's ovum, not speaking of Eve's ovum specifically.

David is a descendant of Adam and Eve, and so is Jesus by lineage. Jesus is both Adam and Eve's descendant, but for the sake of the passage, God told satan he would cause hostility between his offspring and hers (all the way down until Jesus crushes satans head).

'"And I will cause hostility between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring.
He will strike[a] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

 

[YahuahSaves]

Why are you even bringing that up? Show me any genealogy where Eve is included?

Post #56 shows the genealogy in Matthew and Luke. Luke's account ascends back to Adam and Eve. Why do you think Christ is referred to as the second Adam? Romans 5:12-19

The Ancestors of Jesus

23 Jesus was about thirty years old when he began his public ministry.

Jesus was known as the son of Joseph.

Joseph was the son of Heli.

24 Heli was the son of Matthat.

Matthat was the son of Levi.

Levi was the son of Melki.

Melki was the son of Jannai.

Jannai was the son of Joseph.

25 Joseph was the son of Mattathias.

Mattathias was the son of Amos.

Amos was the son of Nahum.

Nahum was the son of Esli.

Esli was the son of Naggai.

26 Naggai was the son of Maath.

Maath was the son of Mattathias.

Mattathias was the son of Semein.

Semein was the son of Josech.

Josech was the son of Joda.

27 Joda was the son of Joanan.

Joanan was the son of Rhesa.

Rhesa was the son of Zerubbabel.

Zerubbabel was the son of Shealtiel.

Shealtiel was the son of Neri.

28 Neri was the son of Melki.

Melki was the son of Addi.

Addi was the son of Cosam.

Cosam was the son of Elmadam.

Elmadam was the son of Er.

29 Er was the son of Joshua.

Joshua was the son of Eliezer.

Eliezer was the son of Jorim.

Jorim was the son of Matthat.

Matthat was the son of Levi.

30 Levi was the son of Simeon.

Simeon was the son of Judah.

Judah was the son of Joseph.

Joseph was the son of Jonam.

Jonam was the son of Eliakim.

31 Eliakim was the son of Melea.

Melea was the son of Menna.

Menna was the son of Mattatha.

Mattatha was the son of Nathan.

Nathan was the son of David.

32 David was the son of Jesse.

Jesse was the son of Obed.

Obed was the son of Boaz.

Boaz was the son of Salmon.*

Salmon was the son of Nahshon.

33 Nahshon was the son of Amminadab.

Amminadab was the son of Admin.

Admin was the son of Arni.*

Arni was the son of Hezron.

Hezron was the son of Perez.

Perez was the son of Judah.

34 Judah was the son of Jacob.

Jacob was the son of Isaac.

Isaac was the son of Abraham.

Abraham was the son of Terah.

Terah was the son of Nahor.

35 Nahor was the son of Serug.

Serug was the son of Reu.

Reu was the son of Peleg.

Peleg was the son of Eber.

Eber was the son of Shelah.

36 Shelah was the son of Cainan.

Cainan was the son of Arphaxad.

Arphaxad was the son of Shem.

Shem was the son of Noah.

Noah was the son of Lamech.

37 Lamech was the son of Methuselah.

Methuselah was the son of Enoch.

Enoch was the son of Jared.

Jared was the son of Mahalalel.

Mahalalel was the son of Kenan.

38 Kenan was the son of Enosh.*

Enosh was the son of Seth.

Seth was the son of Adam.

Adam was the son of God.

 

[Servus]

Are you using a word study? Or, knowing actual exegesis?

This bible scholar knew Hebrew fluently.

You might be only working with the word's root meaning, that will keep certain meaning hidden.

Looks like I am going to place a new order for those lessons again.

In the mean while, here is how some notes that were taken while being taught Genesis 3:11.....


{Note: The Hebrew text indicates that Satan gets them to sin and then denounces them as BEING naked! Only the syntax brings this out. This points out that now Satan is the new ruler of the Earth. And, the first thing he does is denounce them as naked! Legalism!}

God was asking a rhetorical question. He already knew that they realized they were naked because their eyes had been opened by eating the forbidden fruit.

 

[Guojing]

Where does the Bible say that Adam's nature, ability to sin was less than ours?
Adam sinned with the nature he had, yet had only one way to sin, after Adam & Eve's sinned, we all gained knowledge of good and evil (tons of ways to sin [a law written on our hearts] a conscience).

We inherited the sin nature because of Adam's disobedience, as stated by Paul in Romans 5:12.

So before Adam's disobedience, sin was not in the world.

 

[Servus]

Here's an interesting tidbit.

Adam, Eve, and a female serpent at the entrance to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France. The portrayal of the image of the serpent as a mirror of Eve was common in earlier Christian iconography as a result of the identification of women as the ones responsible for the fall of man and source of the original sin.[3]

Serpents in the Bible - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[YahuahSaves]

Here's an interesting tidbit.

Adam, Eve, and a female serpent at the entrance to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France. The portrayal of the image of the serpent as a mirror of Eve was common in earlier Christian iconography as a result of the identification of women as the ones responsible for the fall of man and source of the original sin.[3]

Serpents in the Bible - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

That's just creepy lol

Yes, women have been blamed because of Eve, and maybe because many didn't read their bibles, they just sat in a pew listening to a preacher.

 

[GenemZ]

David is a descendant of Adam and Eve, and so is Jesus by lineage. Jesus is both Adam and Eve's descendant, but for the sake of the passage, God told satan he would cause hostility between his offspring and hers (all the way down until Jesus crushes satans head).

'"And I will cause hostility between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and her offspring.
He will strike[a] your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

Not Eve's seed. It says, the woman's seed.

God was not teaching about Eve, per se. He was teaching about a principle of function of a woman's ovum.
The Lord was conducting a classroom in the Garden for angels to watch in on.

Keep in mind, probably millions of angles (along with Satan) were being taught by the Lord principles of function concerning mankind.
That principle to be discerned? The woman's ovum does not pass down the sin nature. The man's seed does.

Jesus was not sinless because Mary was a virgin.
She was a virgin to be as proof that Jesus had no human father.
For his body had to be free of the fallen nature that we all inherited from Adam.
That fallen nature (sin nature) is passed down by the male sperm, not the woman's ovum.
That is what we need to discern from Genesis 3:15.

Eve was a woman. Mary was a woman. Any woman on earth with ovulation God could have used to produce a sinless body for Jesus.
Mary was in the line of David. That was one reason she was chosen. For Jesus had to be a son of David.

grace and peace .........

 

[GenemZ]

Here's an interesting tidbit.

Adam, Eve, and a female serpent at the entrance to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, France. The portrayal of the image of the serpent as a mirror of Eve was common in earlier Christian iconography as a result of the identification of women as the ones responsible for the fall of man and source of the original sin.[3]

Serpents in the Bible - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Strange spirit went with that one. It's a lie against what Scripture teaches.

It says that Adam was not deceived and he was responsible for the sin in the world. Not the woman. The woman was deceived.

"And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman
who was deceived and fell into transgression."

1 Timothy 2:14​

Bein g deceived, the woman's ovum (seed) did not pass down the sin nature to mankind.
Adam knew what he was doing. It was the man's seed that caused us all to be sinners.
For, only Adam knew what he was doing and was fo9r that reason held responsible by God.

That is why it says it was through the man's seed that sin entered the world. Not the woman's seed!

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin,
and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned (when Adam sinned).

Romans 5:12​

Keep in mind. If Adam refused to eat?

Sin would not have entered into the world. For, fallen Eve's ovum would not have passed down the sin nature. That is why Mary could be used of God to produce a sinless body for Jesus!

grace and peace .......

 

[GenemZ]

God was asking a rhetorical question. He already knew that they realized they were naked because their eyes had been opened by eating the forbidden fruit.

We see it as a simple rhetorical question in a typical translation. But the one who knows how to follow the ebb and flow of Hebrew thinking would have seen that Adam was not simply 'told' he was naked. That would make no sense. For, Adam was always being naked and had no shame. So why should being told he was naked suddenly upset him?

His nakedness was denounced by Satan who hated to see the innocence of the man and woman in their day by day lives being blessed by God. Satan broke up the peaceful lives that they had taken for granted. For, Satan was now the ruler of the world after they fell.

grace and peace ..........

 

[YahuahSaves]

Not Eve's seed. It says, the woman's seed.

God was not teaching about Eve, per se. He was teaching about a principle of function of a woman's ovum.
The Lord was conducting a classroom in the Garden for angels to watch in on.

Keep in mind, probably millions of angles (along with Satan) were being taught by the Lord principles of function concerning mankind.
That principle to be discerned? The woman's ovum does not pass down the sin nature. The man's seed does.

Jesus was not sinless because Mary was a virgin.
She was a virgin to be as proof that Jesus had no human father.
For his body had to be free of the fallen nature that we all inherited from Adam.
That fallen nature (sin nature) is passed down by the male sperm, not the woman's ovum.
That is what we need to discern from Genesis 3:15.

Eve was a woman. Mary was a woman. Any woman on earth with ovulation God could have used to produce a sinless body for Jesus.
Mary was in the line of David. That was one reason she was chosen. For Jesus had to be a son of David.

grace and peace .........

Who the sin nature was passed down from has got nothing to do with what I was trying to say.

It says "I will cause hostility between her offspring and your offspring". Does satan have offspring?

Jesus gives us a clue in John 8:44:

44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Also, we see the dynamic of good and evil play out in genesis 4, the story of Cain and Abel.

Satan came against God’s people and searched for the one who would take the sin out of the world to kill him Matthew 2:13

 

[GenemZ]

Who the sin nature was passed down from has got nothing to do with what I was trying to say.

It says "I will cause hostility between her offspring and your offspring". Does satan have offspring?

Jesus gives us a clue in John 8:44:

44 For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Also, we see the dynamic of good and evil play out in genesis 4, the story of Cain and Abel.

Satan came against God’s people and searched for the one who would take the sin out of the world to kill him Matthew 2:13

Yes! Satan's seed became "fallen mankind" who follows impulses and projected thoughts of Satan.Fallen men submit subconsciously to Satan's evil power sphere that he and his commanding demons generate to influence over the world's "herds of people" in how they think about reality.

Yes... I do you remember what Jesus said to some of his enemies.

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You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. ​

He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, ​

because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native tongue, ​

for he is a liar and the father of lies." John 8:44​

Hence.... Fallen man became.. "Like father, like son."

In that sense, fallen mankind is by default, Satan's offspring. The 'walking spiritually dead.'

As for the seed of the woman? Unlike with Satan, which was spiritual in meaning. With the woman it was biological in meaning.
For it explained how Jesus' body was to be sinless from birth.

"Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering ​

you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me." Hebrews 10:5​

grace and peace .......

 

[YahuahSaves]

Yes... I do you remember what Jesus said to some of his enemies.

Yes...I quoted that verse in my post.

As for the seed of the woman? Unlike with Satan, which was spiritual in meaning. With the woman it was biological in meaning.
For it explained how Jesus' body was to be sinless from birth.

Yes, but I was expressing the spiritual nature of good and evil playing out through the generations. We inherited the sin nature, but God still set people apart before Jesus who were "men of God". So I take the entirety of the fall into account and it's spiritual significance.

 

[GenemZ]

Yes...I quoted that verse in my post.


Yes, but I was expressing the spiritual nature of good and evil playing out through the generations. We inherited the sin nature, but God still set people apart before Jesus who were "men of God". So I take the entirety of the fall into account and it's spiritual significance.

Men of God can be involved with evil. Being saved does not make one exempt from choosing for evil.
So, I am not sure what you are saying in that case.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Men of God can be involved with evil. Being saved does not make one exempt from choosing for evil.
So, I am not sure what you are saying in that case.

Look my post you originally answered in post #50

And I responded to you with:

I don’t disagree with that but it doesn't change the fact God already had the plan from Genesis the Savior would be a descendant of Eve.

Don't forget the context. You mentioned Jesus being a descendant of David, when he is infact a descendant of Adam and Eve. More to the point, I should have said "God had a plan since before the creation of the world", but it wasn't known to anyone else until the fall of Adam and Eve.

 

[Servus]

We see it as a simple rhetorical question in a typical translation. But the one who knows how to follow the ebb and flow of Hebrew thinking would have seen that Adam was not simply 'told' he was naked. That would make no sense. For, Adam was always being naked and had no shame. So why should being told he was naked suddenly upset him?

His nakedness was denounced by Satan who hated to see the innocence of the man and woman in their day by day lives being blessed by God. Satan broke up the peaceful lives that they had taken for granted. For, Satan was now the ruler of the world after they fell.

grace and peace ..........

There was no shame in being naked because they didn't have the knowledge of good and evil, until they ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[GenemZ]

There was no shame in being naked because they didn't have the knowledge of good and evil, until they ate the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

And? They became "knowledgeable."

If Satan tried to denounce them for being naked prior to their fall? They would just nonchalantly wondered what the heck he was doing. As if Satan was speaking a foreign language they could not understand.

The fall makes us weak and potentially controllable by evil. It takes a desire for knowledge of what is good to overcome that weakness.

 

[GenemZ]

Look my post you originally answered in post #50

And I responded to you with:


Don't forget the context. You mentioned Jesus being a descendant of David, when he is infact a descendant of Adam and Eve. More to the point, I should have said "God had a plan since before the creation of the world", but it wasn't known to anyone else until the fall of Adam and Eve.

Well.... I am getting "missing the point" fatigued at this point. Not sure what you are trying to make a point about.

Of course of David descended from Adam and Eve that would have to include THE BODY of Jesus.

But even Judas descended from Adam and Eve. I am wondering what it is you are trying to convey to me.

 

[Servus]

And? They became "knowledgeable."

If Satan tried to denounce them for being naked prior to their fall? They would just nonchalantly wondered what the heck he was doing. As if Satan was speaking a foreign language they could not understand.

The fall makes us weak and potentially controllable by evil. It takes a desire for knowledge of what is good to overcome that weakness.

I just don't see any point in conjecturing about what else the serpent might have said to them.

 

[GenemZ]

I just don't see any point in conjecturing about what else the serpent might have said to them.

"And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more
and more in knowledge and depth of insight."

Philippians 1:9



grace and peace​