The ten kings who will rule with the Beast

[Davy]

The second beast is the false prophet because later in Revelation 16, there are three frogs representing seducing spirits that come of the mouths of (1) the beast (2) the false prophet (3) the dragon - Satan incarnating the statue image of the beast that speaks.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The beast - a man worshiped.
The false prophet - a man not worshiped
The dragon - Satan - incarnating the statue image that speaks. worshiped.

Yeah, the false prophet, dragon, and beast (beast king) all point directly to Satan when he comes to earth after Michael boots him and his angels out of the heavenly per Rev.12:7 forward.

And in Rev.19 at Christ's coming, the false prophet and beast are cast into the "lake of fire", meaning no GWT Judgment for them, which is a major pointer to their not being... what? Means they aren't flesh men, but only roles Satan the dragon will play, and those roles are destroyed at Christ's coming.

So show me Scripture proof that any flesh born man or woman is already judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire". (Even Judas hasn't been judged to perish yet).

 

[Douggg]

You need to go back and check the Greek for "antichrist" again, for in the Greek anti can mean 'instead of' or 'in place of'.

We don't need lessons on Judaism's teachings either, because they are deceived having still rejected my Lord Jesus Christ. Yes they are expecting the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament.

Anti can mean "instead of" and/or "against". In the case of the Antichrist, he will be both "instead of" the true Christ, the messiah promised KIng of Israel; and against Jesus being the the true Christ, rightful King of Israel.

Jesus had a crown of thorns placed on his head by the Romans, because they mocked the Jews hope of a messiah promised great King of Israel who would free them from foreign control.

Pilate also had a sign placed on the cross, Jesus of Nazerth King of the Jews.

The scribes there mockingly called Jesus - Christ the King of Israel.

"the" Christ, "the" messiah in its fundamental function refers to the person being the promised King of Israel.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

 

[Douggg]

That is God using an analogy about Satan, for the flesh king of Tyrus never was in God's Garden of Eden, nor was the flesh king of Tyrus a "covering cherub" (a heavenly being).

Read and heed verse 18 about Satan's destruction on earth by a fire burning him from within, and turning him to ashes. God is NOT talking about an idol there made of wood, stone, or metal. He is talking about Satan.

Who is destroyed by fire at the end of the millennium is the attackers that come up against the camp of the saints in verse 9. Satan himself is then cast into the lake of fire in verse 10.


9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Satan is not destroyed by fire, before being cast into the lake of fire. He will be tormented there in the lake of fire forever.

 

[Davy]

Anti can mean "instead of" and/or "against". In the case of the Antichrist, he will be both "instead of" the true Christ, the messiah promised KIng of Israel; and against Jesus being the the true Christ, rightful King of Israel.

Jesus had a crown of thorns placed on his head by the Romans, because they mocked the Jews hope of a messiah promised great King of Israel who would free them from foreign control.

Pilate also had a sign placed on the cross, Jesus of Nazerth King of the Jews.

The scribes there mockingly called Jesus - Christ the King of Israel.

"the" Christ, "the" messiah in its fundamental function refers to the person being the promised King of Israel.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

The antichrist will claim to be Israel's Messiah, and deceived Christian Churches will proclaim him as Jesus, and whatever coming potentate other religions say they are waiting on to come, he will be all those things too, and this idea is shown us by Apostle Paul...

2 Thess 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
KJV

That idea of his exalting himself "above all that is called God" means what? And exalting himself above all that is worshipped means what?

Rev.13 shows the "dragon" will have power over the WHOLE EARTH, not just a small number of people in Jerusalem.

Do you really... think Islam is going to worship a Jewish Messiah??? Crazy.

The only... way the antichrist will pull off that exalting himself as God, to deceive as many as will, is for him to be an entity like Satan right here on earth working those great signs, wonders, and miracles to deceive the whole world with.

 

[Douggg]

Yeah, the false prophet, dragon, and beast (beast king) all point directly to Satan when he comes to earth after Michael boots him and his angels out of the heavenly per Rev.12:7 forward.

And in Rev.19 at Christ's coming, the false prophet and beast are cast into the "lake of fire", meaning no GWT Judgment for them, which is a major pointer to their not being... what? Means they aren't flesh men, but only roles Satan the dragon will play, and those roles are destroyed at Christ's coming.

So show me Scripture proof that any flesh born man or woman is already judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire". (Even Judas hasn't been judged to perish yet).

Revelation 19:20.
Those two specific individuals have been judged and the judgement made known by the what Jesus has revealed to John in Revelation.

Satan has already been judged as well.

 

[Davy]

Who is destroyed by fire at the end of the millennium is the attackers that come up against the camp of the saints in verse 9. Satan himself is then cast into the lake of fire in verse 10.


9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Satan is not destroyed by fire, before being cast into the lake of fire. He will be tormented there in the lake of fire forever.

Yeah, and where do you think that "lake of fire" will be? It will be on earth most likely, because Jesus referred to it as the valley of Hinnom outside Jerusalem where the Jews at one time in false worship sacrificed their children in fire (Jeremiah 19). And that event is to occur after... Christ's future thousand years reign, not at His 2nd coming.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 19:20.
Those two specific individuals have been judged and the judgement made known by the what Jesus has revealed to John in Revelation.

Satan has already been judged as well.

What two specific individuals?

The ONLY one's already judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" today are Satan and his angels that rebelled with him. No flesh man has as of yet. That is how we can be sure the false prophet and beast are just character roles the dragon will play. That is why the "dragon" is not mentioned in Rev.19:20 going into the "lake of fire" with them, because the "dragon" is Satan, and his life is preserved until after Christ's Millennial reign of Rev.20.

 

[Douggg]

Do you really... think Islam is going to worship a Jewish Messiah??? Crazy.

You don't have a understanding of what Jews (Judaism) believe about the messiah. That's the problem.

I gave you a link to an easy to read site whereby it is explained by the Jews themselves about their beliefs of the messiah.

I personally have made over 4500 posts at Jewish sites over twelve years discussing with, arguing about their beliefs, why they don't believe Jesus is the messiah, etc.

From that link... Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

The Mashiach
The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

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There will be no Islam, muslim believers following Gog/Magog. The destruction of Gog/Magog will be so severe overwhelmingly obvious that God of Israel is not Allah of Islam
The seven years in Ezekiel 39 are the same seven years of Daniel 9:27.

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2thessalonians2:4 takes place near the middle of the 7 years - after the person will have been the thought to be Jewish messiah, King of Israel for about 3 years, 3 months. No one is going to be worshiping him as God during that time, because he won't be claiming to be God.

During that initial first part of the 7 years, it will be so convincing that the person is the true messiah, and that the Jews were right all along - that there will be a great falling away by many in Christianity, who will stop believing in Jesus. 2thessalonians2:3

 

[Douggg]

Yeah, and where do you think that "lake of fire" will be? It will be on earth most likely, because Jesus referred to it as the valley of Hinnom outside Jerusalem where the Jews at one time in false worship sacrificed their children in fire (Jeremiah 19). And that event is to occur after... Christ's future thousand years reign, not at His 2nd coming.

The lake of fire is nowhere on this current earth. It is in some un-named, non-understood, dimension.

This present earth is destroyed before the Great White Throne judgment - which some are cast into lake of fire.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Douggg]

What two specific individuals?

The beast and the false prophet. No one knows their names - nor can point to anyone right now and say those are the persons.

But it won't be long, until it is possible to know who the person who eventually becomes the beast is.

 

[Choose Wisely]

The deadly wound is upon one of the seven heads of the beast kingdom, not upon the antichrist who is to come playing God. I know the pronoun "his" in Rev.13:1-2 makes many think that a person is being talked about, but it's not. The KJV translators could have just as well used "its", because those first two verses about the first beast is the idea of a kingdom beast (see all the pronouns "his" in the Greek can be translated to). That is why our Lord Jesus gave us the beast kingdom links back to Dan.7 in the Rev.13:2 verse. When it mentioned the "dragon", that is pointing directly to the antichrist.

Truly, there is so many places where God shows us that Satan, The Dragon is not the antichrist. If you can't figure that out there is little hope. That's just cut and dried....no question.....and you can't see it. I actually can't comprehend it.

If you want to believe that, then it means you don't care to heed what He said to Isaiah about taking up a "proverb"... for the king of Babylon. That idea of a proverb means a saying, a parable, a story that points to something else.

When God talks about the king of Babylon, he is talking about the king of Babylon....not Satan. I showed you how you can prove it with the verses on the fir trees and the cedars of Lebanon. It can't be any clearer. What can't you see?

And by the time you get to Isaiah 14:12 where God said Lucifer fell from heaven, then there's no doubt that He was not talking about the flesh king of Babylon.

Actually the correct translation is ....O Day Star......not Lucifer. The day star is the sun. Nimrod becomes the sun....see most of your false religions. The sun god. I will rise above the clouds. God is not talking about Lucifer....he is talking about the Babylonian King....Nimrod.

Since you deny that simplicity, and you try to bring in several other irrelevant topics, I don't have time to waste.

I see you quote that alot. Maybe you should consider taking the time, cause what you have been doing doesn't seem to be working

 

[Davy]

The beast and the false prophet. No one knows their names - nor can point to anyone right now and say those are the persons.

But it won't be long, until it is possible to know who the person who eventually becomes the beast is.

I know their names. They are both Satan, just roles he will play when he comes to Jerusalem.

 

[Davy]

The lake of fire is nowhere on this current earth. It is in some un-named, non-understood, dimension.

This present earth is destroyed before the Great White Throne judgment - which some are cast into lake of fire.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Another tradition from men that is.

Did God destroy this earth with the flood of Noah's day? No, of course not. He simply cleansed the surface of this earth. He is going to do that again to end this world alright, but notice the kingdoms of this world still exist...

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

Zech 14:16-19
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV

Strange how those nations are still on earth when Jesus returns and reigns from Jerusalem.

So it looks like this earth is not... going to be literally destroyed on the day of Jesus' return, but only the surface cleansed involving the wicked, just as Hebrews 12:25-29 also reveals.

Heb 12:25-29
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now He hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.
KJV

 

[Davy]

You don't have a understanding of what Jews (Judaism) believe about the messiah. That's the problem.

I gave you a link to an easy to read site whereby it is explained by the Jews themselves about their beliefs of the messiah.

I personally have made over 4500 posts at Jewish sites over twelve years discussing with, arguing about their beliefs, why they don't believe Jesus is the messiah, etc.

From that link... Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

The Mashiach
The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

________________________________________________________________________

There will be no Islam, muslim believers following Gog/Magog. The destruction of Gog/Magog will be so severe overwhelmingly obvious that God of Israel is not Allah of Islam
The seven years in Ezekiel 39 are the same seven years of Daniel 9:27.

______________________________________________________________________________

2thessalonians2:4 takes place near the middle of the 7 years - after the person will have been the thought to be Jewish messiah, King of Israel for about 3 years, 3 months. No one is going to be worshiping him as God during that time, because he won't be claiming to be God.

During that initial first part of the 7 years, it will be so convincing that the person is the true messiah, and that the Jews were right all along - that there will be a great falling away by many in Christianity, who will stop believing in Jesus. 2thessalonians2:3

I understand more than you think. The orthodox Jews are still waiting on the 1st coming of Messiah. I know he will have to show lineage from David for them to accept him as Messiah. The pseudo-Christ will take care of that little requirement too, for once he does those great signs and wonders Jesus and Paul warned us about, those Jews will believe beyond a doubt he is the son of David and their king. It's likely when he kills God's two witnesses in Jerusalem that some of those Jews may then start wondering.

 

[Davy]

The lake of fire is nowhere on this current earth. It is in some un-named, non-understood, dimension.

This present earth is destroyed before the Great White Throne judgment - which some are cast into lake of fire.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Oh, and your wrong belief that God is going to literaly destroy this earth into some asteroid belt contradicts His promise in Psalms 37 that the meek shall inherit the earth...

Ps 37:11
11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
KJV

Matt 5:5
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
KJV

Rev 21:1-2
21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
KJV

Oh, so heaven and the earth are still there, just not this present earth, which the meaning is God is going to destroy this present world age on the earth, and the new heavens and a new earth is about this same earth after... He cleanses its surface destroying the old world. The word "elements" in 2 Pet.3:10 is not talking about earthly matter. It's talking about an orderly arrangement, a world age.

 

[Davy]

Truly, there is so many places where God shows us that Satan, The Dragon is not the antichrist. If you can't figure that out there is little hope. That's just cut and dried....no question.....and you can't see it. I actually can't comprehend it.

You might ought to be hoping for yourself, not me, because I can... read for myself.

Rev 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

Rev 20:2
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
KJV

 

[Douggg]

I know their names. They are both Satan, just roles he will play when he comes to Jerusalem.

Another tradition from men that is.

Did God destroy this earth with the flood of Noah's day? No, of course not. He simply cleansed the surface of this earth. He is going to do that again to end this world alright, but notice the kingdoms of this world still exist...

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

The destruction of the present earth takes place at the end of the millennium, not at Jesus Return.

 

[Douggg]

I understand more than you think. The orthodox Jews are still waiting on the 1st coming of Messiah. I know he will have to show lineage from David for them to accept him as Messiah. The pseudo-Christ will take care of that little requirement too, for once he does those great signs and wonders Jesus and Paul warned us about, those Jews will believe beyond a doubt he is the son of David and their king. It's likely when he kills God's two witnesses in Jerusalem that some of those Jews may then start wondering.

You are showing that you don't know anything about what the Jews expect of the messiah. The Jews says that the messiah is not going to do miracles.

 

[Douggg]

Oh, and your wrong belief that God is going to literaly destroy this earth into some asteroid belt contradicts His promise in Psalms 37 that the meek shall inherit the earth...

No one is saying an asteroid belt. Do you know what the elements are from science class?

2Peter3:
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[StarTemple]

10 is a human number of completion, so the nation-state system of Daniel 11:42-43 "gathered to Har-Magedon" by world government forming globalization (Revelation 16:13-16) is the meaning of complete global "giving power" to the scarlet wildbeast of complete world government of the globalist King North system by the nation-state target nations.

The significance in the Bible is that since Genesis 10 and Romans 13, God set up the national powers and has no direct beef with them, but when they allow themselves to be taken over by the globalists in full form after this next world war "sword stroke" of Revelation 13:3, God will NOT be allowing that to remain, it will be a "superior authority" not the nations "superior authorities" [plural] sanctioned by God any longer.

And only Jesus Christ is legal heir and authority for the "Kingdom of the World' of Revelation 11:15 FROM GOD, the NWO 8th King "world government" and UN are illegal and to be removed in time, AFTER they complete their world government final affront to God's Kingdom.

"Ten Kings" is the symbolic completeness when the ALL OF THE nations sell out their nation-states for world government glory, and they will, in time, after this next world war.

You know who that completion of global-sovereign rivalry shall trigger? The King of kings. (Revelation 19:11-21)

We have over 10 years at this time.