The ten kings who will rule with the Beast

[Davy]

The false prophet is simply a 'role' the pseudo-Christ will play. The whole idea of antichrist is to mimic Christ. That's why Paul showed in 2 Thess.2 the false one will play God with sitting in the temple of God in Jerusalem. A way to know the false prophet is just a role the "another beast" will play is because the false prophet goes into the "lake of fire" at Jesus' second coming.

No flesh born person is judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20. Only Satan and his angels are already judged and sentenced to perish so far.

For those who believe any one born in the flesh has already been judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire", then they don't believe in The God of The Bible, for no such condemnation has happened yet, because all born in this world MUST appear before the Judgement Seat of Christ Jesus in the future world to come.

The false prophet speaks like a dragon, Satan, because he is full of lies. The false prophet in Revelation is never said to be worshiped.

In what capacity is Jesus like a Lamb ? It is in the capacity of being our high priest in heaven.

The false prophet will be associated with being in a priest-like capacity - not a King, like Jesus. To be the Antichrist, the person has to be anointed the King of Israel, who comes in his own name.

Mark 15:
32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

John 12:
12 On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem,

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[Douggg]

If you believe God and His Throne are in some far away galaxy or planet, then that is belief that aliens are the ones who actually created us and not God at all.

Never said that. Galaxies, stars, planets are all part of the cosmos.

 

[Davy]

You're confusing the Scripture which is simple and includes many other pointers to Satan being the coming pseudo-Christ at Jerusalem.

I've already shown the false prophet is just another role the false messiah will play, because it along with the beast concept goes into the "lake of fire" when Jesus returns, which means they don't make it to the GWT Judgment, which also can only mean the false prophet and beasts are roles for the end and are destroyed at Christ's coming.

Jesus was a prophet also. So there's your false prophet link to the false messiah that is coming to play Christ in Jerusalem.

Satan and his angels are coming here on earth once the war in heaven with Michael and his angels happens (Rev.12:7 forward). That means they are going to manifest in our earthly dimension. He won't be playing boogie-man behind or inside some world religious leader. Satan is a beautiful cherub, God made him the full pattern when He originally created him perfect in his ways.

Davy, no one is saying that the dragon is not Satan. and that the world will worship Satan.

It's your notion that....

the false prophet is the Antichrist
that Satan will be the Antichrist

...are amiss.

I have been trying to show you that your concept of "the" Antichrist is misplaced. The person is not the Antichrist except for the time when he is in the role of being the King of Israel. There is no-one in Revelation 13 - as being the Antichrist.

In Revelation 13, there is...

first beast - representing both a kingdom and a person
second beast - the false prophet

the image of the beast - that comes to life
the dragon - Satan

Revelation 13 is about the last 42 months (second half) of the seven years.

The seven years:
first half - the person is in the Antichrist role, King of Israel
second half - the person is in the beast role.

 

[Douggg]

The false prophet is simply a 'role' the pseudo-Christ will play. The whole idea of antichrist is to mimic Christ

Davy, the term "the" Christ refers to the promised great King of Israel, descended from King David. Antichrist, does not mean someone impersonating being Jesus, nor mimicking Jesus.

Here is a link to Judaism 101.org on the mashiach. Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

The Antichrist will appear to them to be the person the Jews expect to be their mashiach. The Jews are not going to embrace anyone claiming to be Jesus

 

[Douggg]

I've already shown the false prophet is just another role the false messiah will play, because it along with the beast concept goes into the "lake of fire" when Jesus returns, which means they don't make it to the GWT Judgment, which also can only mean the false prophet and beasts are roles for the end and are destroyed at Christ's coming.

You have made an unsubstatiated claim. There is no-one in the role of the Antichrist for the last 42 months (Revelation 13:5).

There will the beast claiming to be God and there will be false prophet lying that the beast is God. No-one is embraced by the Jews as their King of Israel during that time - other than them embracing Jesus as the rightful King of Israel.

The beast will be persecuting the Jews for that reason.

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The situation at the beginning of the 7 years is completely different from the last 42 months.

 

[Another Lazarus]

You have made an unsubstatiated claim. There is no-one in the role of the Antichrist for the last 42 months (Revelation 13:5).

There will the beast claiming to be God and there will be false prophet lying that the beast is God. No-one is embraced by the Jews as their King of Israel during that time - other than them embracing Jesus as the rightful King of Israel.

The beast will be persecuting the Jews for that reason.

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The situation at the beginning of the 7 years is completely different from the last 42 months.

The false Messiah accepted by Israel will declare himself as God (AOD) at 3.5 years of the tribulation.

2 Thes 2:4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God

Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation

So that to fulfill what Jesus has warned them:
Matt 24:15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--
16 then let those in Judea flee to the mountains.…

 

[Douggg]

The false Messiah accepted by Israel will declare himself as God (AOD) at 3.5 years of the tribulation.

....and will be immediately rejected by the Jews as continuing as their King.

Revealed as the man of sin is not the AOD though, but the TOD, transgression of desolation. It is not until the image of him is made - that will be the AOD.

Another Lazarus, you almost got it. Just refine, just a little bit....just a little bit.

For most of the first half of the 7 years, the person will be in the role of being the Antichrist, perceived King of Israel messiah by the Jews.

He then, unexpectedly, goes into the temple claiming to be God - the TOD, transgression of desolation. Triggering the Day of the Lord.

God has him killed and in disdain for him brings him back to life, which he becomes the beast of Revelation 13.

The false prophet has the image made of him now the beast, - which the image is the AOD that will be setup in the temple, triggering the great tribulation

 

[Davy]

Yes, they worship the person called the beast. And they worship the image of the beast, which will be a statue, - incarnated by Satan.

At Jesus's return in Revelation 19, the brightness of his coming will melt away that statue on the temple mount, bringing it to ashes - and there will be Satan exposed for all the world to behold. Fulfilling Ezekiel 28:

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

That's not when Ezek.28:18 will be fulfilled. This is when it will be fufilled...

Rev 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV

 

[Davy]

It's about both. The heads are kings - persons.

The seven heads are mountains, pointing to locations, not people.

Rev 17:9
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
KJV

 

[Davy]

The false prophet speaks like a dragon, Satan, because he is full of lies. The false prophet in Revelation is never said to be worshiped.

You're assigning the "false prophet" to the "another beast" of Rev.13:11. The false prophet is NEVER mentioned in Rev.13.

Don't you know where those on the doctrine you follow got the idea that the "another beast" of Rev.13 is also the "false prophet" of Rev.16, 19, and 20? It's because Rev.19:20 shows the "false prophet" also worked those same miracles the "another beast" does.

In reality, the "false prophet" and beast king are just roles that "another beast" will play, coming to work miracles on earth, raining fire down from heaven in the sight of men. The "great wonders" and miracles that "another beast" will work is the same "great signs" and "wonders" of the false messiah that Jesus warned about in Matt.24 and Mark 13, and Apostle Paul in 2 Thess.2.

You paid absolutely no... attention to what I said that no flesh born man is judged and sentenced to perish in the future "lake of fire" until after Christ's future "thousand years" reign of Rev.20, and that's how we know the false prophet is just a role Satan will play, so I must assume you're also on man's false doctrines that don't believe that future thousand years is literal.

 

[Davy]

Davy, the term "the" Christ refers to the promised great King of Israel, descended from King David. Antichrist, does not mean someone impersonating being Jesus, nor mimicking Jesus.

Here is a link to Judaism 101.org on the mashiach. Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah

The Antichrist will appear to them to be the person the Jews expect to be their mashiach. The Jews are not going to embrace anyone claiming to be Jesus

You need to go back and check the Greek for "antichrist" again, for in the Greek anti can mean 'instead of' or 'in place of'.

We don't need lessons on Judaism's teachings either, because they are deceived having still rejected my Lord Jesus Christ. Yes they are expecting the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament.

No they will not call him Jesus, which is irrelevant to any proof against Matt.24 and 2 Thess.2 about the coming pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem working great signs and wonders to deceive the whole world.

The word Christ means Anointed, and in the Greek it's from the verb chrioo 'to anoint'.

It almost sounds like you're trying to hide... the events the false one of 2 Thess.2 and Rev.13:11-17 is prophesied to do in Jerusalem for the end of this world.

 

[Davy]

Never said that. Galaxies, stars, planets are all part of the cosmos.

Planets, stars, and galaxies are part of this material earthly dimension we live in. God's Throne is not in some far away galaxy. It's in the Heavenly dimension that exists behind a veil of our world (i.e., kosmos).

 

[Davy]

You have made an unsubstatiated claim. There is no-one in the role of the Antichrist for the last 42 months (Revelation 13:5).

There will the beast claiming to be God and there will be false prophet lying that the beast is God. No-one is embraced by the Jews as their King of Israel during that time - other than them embracing Jesus as the rightful King of Israel.

The beast will be persecuting the Jews for that reason.
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The situation at the beginning of the 7 years is completely different from the last 42 months.

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The "dragon" = the "another beast" (if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck...)

The "another beast" = the "false prophet (you yourself showed you believe this)

The "antichrist" John said in 1 John 2:18, which they had already heard would come... is that "dragon" Satan. Where did they already hear that antichrist would come? They heard it from the Apostles because Jesus already warned His disciples about Satan coming to this world in John 14:30. But of course Satan is called there "the prince of this world".

The "dragon" of Rev.12:9 = Satan, all of them the same one.
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And your statement that there is no one as the Antichrist for the last 42 months is actually very funny because it's so far away from what's actually written in God's Word...

Rev 13:4-8
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Who will the world worship? The "dragon" and the "beast". Which beast? The "dragon", which is the same one of Rev.13:11 called the "another beast", i.e. a 2nd beast, a person, Satan himself on earth in our dimension.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV

That's the same "little horn" prophesied to come per the Book of Daniel. He's the same "beast" explained in Rev.17 about kings. The 42 months he is given to work is the last half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9. It's a period of 1260 days. It is also the length of time the Gentiles are given to tread Jerusalem at the end when the third temple is built prior to Christ's return.

 

[Douggg]

That's not when Ezek.28:18 will be fulfilled. This is when it will be fufilled...

Rev 20:7-10
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
KJV

No, Satan is made visible to the kings of the earth at Jesus's return in Revelation 19. And they will see the lone angel with the chains and bind Satan and take him to the bottomless pit, at the beginning of Revelation 20.

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Davy]

No, Satan is made visible to the kings of the earth at Jesus's return in Revelation 19. And they will see the lone angel with the chains and bind Satan and take him to the bottomless pit, at the beginning of Revelation 20.

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Ezekiel 28:18 is an analogy to Satan's destruction on earth, being turned to ashes in view of all who see it...

Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
KJV

But you're wrongly applying that Ezek.28 event to the beginning of Christ's future "thousand years" reign when Satan is merely locked in his pit prison for that period.

 

[Douggg]

And your statement that there is no one as the Antichrist for the last 42 months is actually very funny because it's so far away from what's actually written in God's Word...

It's funny to you because you don't understand the concept of the Antichrist. To become the Antichrist, the person has to become the King of Israel, perceived messiah by the Jews.

In Revelation 13, that contents of that chapter are about the last 42 months of the 7 years. The person by that time will have gone through the Antichrist stage. There is no-one in Revelation 13 as the King of Israel.

That's the same "little horn" prophesied to come per the Book of Daniel. He's the same "beast" explained in Rev.17 about kings. The 42 months he is given to work is the last half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9. It's a period of 1260 days. It is also the length of time the Gentiles are given to tread Jerusalem at the end when the third temple is built prior to Christ's return.

You don't understand the order.

The person first becomes the little horn, leader of Europe before the 7 years begin. After becoming leader of Europe, Gog/Magog will materialize, and the little horn takes steps to deter the invasion by staging his EU army in Greece, north and west of Israel.

Gog/Magog takes place anyway, and God supernaturally destroys the invaders to Israel.

The little horn and his army move into the middle east, and secure all the oil for themselves, on the pretense of stabilizing peace in the region. As the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:27.

The Jews will see the little horn's action to prevent Gog/Magog as intending to defend Israel - and will embrace him, thinking he is the long awaited messiah that God promised to be their King of Israel.

The person is anointed the King of Israel, most likely by the false prophet, and he confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel, on a 7 year cycle.

That's how the person becomes the Antichrist and begins the 7 years. Confirming the covenant is just going to be a big speech he makes from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel, as theirs forever.

In Revelation 13, the person is no longer the Antichrist, King of Israel, because he will have betrayed the Jews and transgressed the covenant, by claiming to have achieved God-hood.

I would suggest retooling your thought process of the person - to being the arch villain of the end times. And not use "the Antichrist" as a blanket term - because the person will be the Antichrist only during the first half of the seven years.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 28:18 is an analogy to Satan's destruction on earth, being turned to ashes in view of all who see it...

Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
KJV

But you're wrongly applying that Ezek.28 event to the beginning of Christ's future "thousand years" reign when Satan is merely locked in his pit prison for that period.

Satan himself is not turned to ashes. It will be the image, the statue, the fascade that will be turned to ashes. Melted away, exposing Satan, there on the temple mount. Which the lone angel will descend with the chain, bind him and Satan cast into the bottomless pit.

Satan will for that last 42 months incarnate the statue and will make it appear to come alive and speak.
And be worshiped.

When Jesus returns - where does it say directly what happens to the image of the beast, that comes to life and speaks?

 

[Douggg]

The "dragon" = the "another beast" (if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck...)

The "another beast" = the "false prophet (you yourself showed you believe this)

The "antichrist" John said in 1 John 2:18, which they had already heard would come... is that "dragon" Satan. Where did they already hear that antichrist would come? They heard it from the Apostles because Jesus already warned His disciples about Satan coming to this world in John 14:30. But of course Satan is called there "the prince of this world".

The "dragon" of Rev.12:9 = Satan, all of them the same one.

The second beast is the false prophet because later in Revelation 16, there are three frogs representing seducing spirits that come of the mouths of (1) the beast (2) the false prophet (3) the dragon - Satan incarnating the statue image of the beast that speaks.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The beast - a man worshiped.
The false prophet - a man not worshiped
The dragon - Satan - incarnating the statue image that speaks. worshiped.

 

[Davy]

It's funny to you because you don't understand the concept of the Antichrist. To become the Antichrist, the person has to become the King of Israel, perceived messiah by the Jews.

Ah contrare... I well understand John's concept of the antichrist. Satan wants to be King. His original rebellion was that of coveting God's Throne (Isa.14; Ezek.28). But Christ Jesus is King. Thus the meaning of antichrist per Scripture association with Christ is the "another Jesus" of Paul...

2 Cor 11:3-4
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

2 Cor 11:13-15
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV

Don't you find it strange that Apostle Paul would bring up the subject of Satan disguising himself as an angel of light in the same setting as the teaching of "another Jesus"? Why would Paul associate Satan with the "another Jesus" there, because that's what he did, even as Satan as that old serpent beguiled Eve with his subtlety.

In Revelation 13, that contents of that chapter are about the last 42 months of the 7 years. The person by that time will have gone through the Antichrist stage. There is no-one in Revelation 13 as the King of Israel.

There is no such thing as some transition stage to the antichrist role. That idea is nowhere written in Scripture. You are speculating.

You don't understand the order.

The first becomes the little horn, leader of Europe before the 7 years begin. After becoming leader of Europe, Gog/Magog will materialize, and the little horn takes steps to deter the invasion by staging his EU army in Greece, north and west of Israel.

Gog/Magog takes place anyway, and God supernaturally destroys the invaders to Israel.

The little horn and his army move into the middle east, and secure all the oil for themselves, on the pretense of stabilizing peace in the region. As the prince who shall come in Daniel 9:27.

The Jews will see the little horn's action to prevent Gog/Magog as intending to defend Israel - and will embrace him, thinking he is the long awaited messiah that God promised to be their King of Israel.

The person is anointed the King of Israel, most likely by the false prophet, and he confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant as required by Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of all future leaders of Israel, on a 7 year cycle.

That's how the person becomes the Antichrist and begins the 7 years. Confirming the covenant is just going to be a big speech he makes from the temple mount that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel, as theirs forever.

In Revelation 13, the person is no longer the Antichrist, King of Israel, because he will have betrayed the Jews and transgressed the covenant, by claiming to have achieved God-hood.

Lot of miss-assignment there from Daniel 11.

The Gog/Magog army out of the northern quarters is on the FINAL day of this world when Jesus returns. Ezekiel 38 is about a certain alignment of nations against Israel, and it's not all nations. It's specifically nations like Russia and its Islamic nation allies, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Armenia, Sudan, Yemen, and Turkey. Ezekiel 39 is about the final battle for this present world which God Himself... will fight.

 

[Davy]

Satan himself is not turned to ashes. It will be the image, the statue, the fascade that will be turned to ashes. Melted away, exposing Satan, there on the temple mount. Which the lone angel will descend with the chain, bind him and Satan cast into the bottomless pit.

Satan will for that last 42 months incarnate the statue and will make it appear to come alive and speak.
And be worshiped.

When Jesus returns - where does it say directly what happens to the image of the beast, that comes to life and speaks?

Then you cannot... read, or there is a veil over your eyes...

Ezek 28:16-19
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV

That is God using an analogy about Satan, for the flesh king of Tyrus never was in God's Garden of Eden, nor was the flesh king of Tyrus a "covering cherub" (a heavenly being).

Read and heed verse 18 about Satan's destruction on earth by a fire burning him from within, and turning him to ashes. God is NOT talking about an idol there made of wood, stone, or metal. He is talking about Satan.