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The Synod convened.

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Moses Medina, Dec 7, 2019.

  1. Moses Medina

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    As I read I started becoming disheartened, however, a pan-Orthodox council has been asked for by Moscow and to that, thank God! Im glad they are wanting to settle this in council instead of firing from the hip.

    The results are as follows (long read):

    1. We are compelled to declare that due to the anti-canonical actions of the Patriarchate of Constantinople in Ukraine, and also in connection with the actions perpetrated by the Primates of the Greek and Alexandrian Orthodox Churches, namely by their entering into Eucharistic communion with the schismatic “Orthodox Church of Ukraine”, the situation in Orthodox Christianity has grown worse not only at the administrative but also at the spiritual level – that is, on the level of ecclesial communion in the Holy Sacraments.

    2. It has become apparent that this crisis is not only a problem of bilateral relations between the Constantinopolitan and the Moscow Patriarchates, but it concerns the whole of World Orthodoxy, all the Local Orthodox Churches since it is harming the very foundations of the life and missiology of Christ’s Church. This problem is not administrative but ecclesiological. The new conception of the Patriarch of Constantinople as “the first without equals”(“Primus sine paribus”) has reared its head in world Orthodoxy, and is something which the Orthodox Church has never known previously , and which in actuality is a clear violation of the principle of the Church’s catholicity and a consequence of the misunderstanding of the nature of the Church in general and of the role of the individual Local Churches, in particular. In addition, the Patriarchate of Constantinople began to concelebrate services with persons who were not canonically ordained, which in itself is a blasphemy and sacrilege with regards to the Eucharist.

    3. In view of this, the cessation of Eucharistic communion by the Ukrainian Orthodox Church with the Patriarchate of Constantinople and with the Churches and hierarchs who have recognised the schismatics is not an abuse of the Eucharist, or blackmail of the Eucharist, as some people have alleged, but on the contrary it is a defense of the Eucharist and a safeguard of the canonical and spiritual purity as well as the integrity of the Church. After all, our Lord Jesus Christ, in the words of the Holy Apostle Paul, ”also loved the Church, and gave himself for it… That he might present it to himself a glorious Church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish” (Ephesians. 5: 25-27).

    4. For these reasons, it is false and manipulative to accuse the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of allegedly moving toward self-isolation, specifically by its suspension of Eucharistic communion with those who have themselves entered into communion with unrepentant schismatics. In fact, we uphold the purity of the canonical traditions of the Church and protect the Church from blasphemy. Otherwise, if persons who have no canonical ordination are admitted to the priesthood, and if the schism is recognised by the Church, but the true Church of Christ is ignored or falsely called the schism, then there is a danger that the true Church may be substituted. Moreover, such anti-Church actions blur the line between the Church and the schism. As a result, a so-called new “Church” structure is created, which is founded by men, in place of the true Church that was founded by our Lord Jesus Christ who “hath purchased [it] with His own blood“ (see Acts 20:28).

    5. One of the basic principles of Canon law of the Orthodox Church is such that whoever enters into Eucharistic communion with the excommunicated will be excluded from communion with the Church himself. In this regard, the entering into communion by certain Local Churches with persons who have fallen into schism in other Local Churches and who have not truly repented and who are not canonically ordained, automatically raises the question of whether their continued Eucharistic communion with these schismatics also makes them complicit in this sin, and which, in fact, also causes them to be in violation of the above-mentioned canonical principle?

    6. We believe that the only way out of this crisis is to have a Pan-Orthodox Council discussion and find a solution to the whole range of these problematic issues. Recognising all the inherent difficulties involved in convening such a Pan-Orthodox meeting, we still have yet to see another way out of the crisis. Therefore, we welcome the initiative of His Beatitude Patriarch Theophilos III of the Holy City of Jerusalem and of All Palestine to convene a Pan-Orthodox Council in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. During the many difficult times in the history of our Church, there was already such a case where the Patriarchate of Jerusalem provided assistance. This was in 1620 A.D. when His Holiness Patriarch Theophanes III of Jerusalem restored the Orthodox hierarchy in Kyiv in order to replace those who had joined the Union under the pressure of the then Polish-Lithuanian authorities. We applaud, thank, and look forward to similar calls for a Pan-Orthodox meeting from the Primates and hierarchs of the other Local Orthodox Churches which, in fact, has already started to happen more and more frequently of late.

    7. It is to be noted that geopolitical and political factors have, unfortunately, started to blatantly interfere in the internal life of World Orthodoxy in unprecedented fashion. As a result, individual Local Churches have been making Church decisions under the influence of these factors, contrary to Church canons and centuries-old traditions of the Church. We understand that each Local Orthodox Church does its ministry within a particular state, and sometimes several or many states. Often, one or another Orthodox nation is historically very closely connected to both its own state and its Local Church. However, it is our deep conviction, that every Local Church in its service to God must be above national, state, or political boundaries and interests, and not be subjected to external pressure, remembering that the Kingdom of God we preach of is not of this world. (see John 18:36). If each Local Orthodox Church associates itself solely with the interests of its own state, then world Orthodoxy cannot be united, since it is well known that states engage in conflict or in wars with each other, but the Church must always preserve unity and reconcile people, whilst not becoming a party or a means of confrontation. We express our hope that the Holy Orthodox Church, with the help of God, will find the strength to overcome these challenges and maintain its unity; rising above national borders and interests, because in Christ there is neither “Greek nor Jew…, Barbarian, Scythian,… but Christ is all, and in all”(Col. 3:11).

    8. We appeal to the archpastors, pastors, monks, and laity of our beloved Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Dear Vladykas, Fathers, brothers and sisters! It is not without Divine Providence that we here in Ukraine and within our Church, and within the bounds of World Orthodoxy, that the boundary line between the true Church and the schism lies today. In this situation, we must preserve the purity of the canonical system and the teaching of the Church. Opponents are trying to scare us with the prospect of self-isolation. But as long as we continue to live in true faith, there cannot be any self-isolation. The blessed memory of His Beatitude Metropolitan Volodymyr of Kyiv and All Ukraine reminds us that “there can be no self-isolation with Christ”. In fact, our Ukrainian Orthodox Church today, through its various trials and tribulations, is upholding the unity of the whole Orthodox world. Don’t be afraid! You are part of the one true Church! Love the Church, keep the Church and yourself in it, because through it the Lord saves us. And leave the rest to the Will of God. Remember, it is not Man who directs the Church, but our heavenly Father Himself. Let us pray that the Lord through his Holy Spirit will correct all human error, purify us from all evil things, and save our souls!
     
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  2. ArmyMatt

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    Lord have mercy
     
  3. Euodius

    Euodius Are you kitten me right meow? Supporter

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    Looking at the situation, it's clear that there is a concerted effort to destroy the visible Church... the same thing is happening to the RCC right now. What the EP is doing is intended to destroy. If the bishops do not recognize this, then there will be greater suffering.
     
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  4. Lukaris

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    I admit to being confused about the particulars of the situation in Ukraine. What I do believe is clear is that the office of the EP is becoming abusive & divisive.

    I recall reading a post (unsure which forum) which considered whether the EP is being manipulated in his old age. It is my hope that EP Bartholomew will confess to us what is going on ( unless he is deceived). My hopes are not too high.
     
  5. StanU

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    People who think EP has become "abusive" should try to live under the MP for a century or three. I mean, seriously?
     
  6. Lukaris

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    I admitted I am confused about the situation within Ukraine. What Ukraine endured under the MP I am basically ignorant of. I have refrained from commenting where I should not.

    Nonetheless, the EP usually concerns me, deeply, Ukraine situation or not.
     
  7. StanU

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    Yawn.

    In more serious note, EP concern trolling lately (and especially since Ukraine) hit notes that make me think "why aren't these people Old Calendarist yet?". Fear mongering and purity fetishes and conspiracy theories are basically the same.
     
  8. Lukaris

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    Well, all I can also say is “yawn” also then.
     
  9. Not David

    Not David Der Ewige Katechumene

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    Cope
     
  10. Euodius

    Euodius Are you kitten me right meow? Supporter

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    And so is weasel wording.
     
  11. StanU

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    Plain wording then: MP is complicit in wars in Ukraine, Syria, and one can argue Georgia, yet people are "concerned" with EP. How can this be right?
     
  12. Euodius

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    MP is Russia. EP is NATO. Ukraine is war. Russia and NATO vye for dominance and their agents do their bidding. The EP has openly acted (as well as secretly took actions) as a NATO asset for decades. Patriarch Bartholomew personally funded the revolutionary insurgents in the Ukraine by channeling millions donated to rebuild churches to them through a laundering scheme. The EP is equally as complicit in all those 'wars,' because it is a war and these are the tactics of modern warfare. But the faith and the Church is not in the politics of this world - therefore you cannot judge a matter of the faith and the Church by the politics of this world. Instead, discern the spirits.

    Questions to ask about the situation:
    1. What is the Church?
    2. What does violence to the Church constitute?
     
  13. StanU

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    That's a new one. Care to elaborate?

    On Ukraine, situation is much simpler. Moscow is the aggressor. That's it. Theories that seem to imply "revolutionary insurgents" are agents of "NATO" (which is a treaty, so not sure what would being "agent" of it even be) and Ukraine's internal "insurrection" is somehow act of war on Russia are certifiably insane distractions.
     
  14. Lukaris

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    I am asking a little off topic, do you think Ukraine has better security now than say a few years back?

    Please just say “yes” or “no”;I do not mean to be rude but just to avoid falling into politics.
     
  15. StanU

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    I'm not sure it can be answered with "yes" or "no". Ukraine has far stronger military than in 2013, but the conflict still isn't gone.
     
  16. Lukaris

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    Fair enough, thanks.
     
  17. Rusviking876

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    It's not "concern trolling" when Patriarch Bartholomew uncanonically tries to usurp an existing jurisdiction and give it to schismatic groups with little credibility.
     
  18. JohnTh

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    No. EP doesn't have money to sustain themselves as they should.
     
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  19. E.C.

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    I did hear from a matushka (who read in the Ukrainian papers) that the schismatic Ukrainian "Church" was planning on switching to the New Calendar. Now, I'm relatively neutral on the calendar issue, but I know that Slavs like Christmas to be on January 7. If the schismatics want people to come back to the cannonical Church, than that's a great way to do it!

    Which is why they'll never recognize an autocephalous Church in North America, nor the OCA. They use the Greek Archdiocese as a cash cow which is why St Nicholas at Ground Zero still isn't completed yet
     
  20. Euodius

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    Well, receiving millions of dollars as a gift for granting a Tomos of Autocephaly may help them...
     
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