Discussion The Star of Remphan=The flag of Israel?

[Zugzwang]

The past couple of months have been an "interesting" time in my studies regarding what is of the Lord & what is not. In fact, studies isn't exactly an honest or fair word, it implies I went looking for it, when in truth, it literally fell into my lap, so it wasn't a conscious decision in the first place. One of these things of course, would be the current topic.

Before I begin, I'm quite sure some would say "This isn't the correct forum" or some other such thing; it should be over in GT or somewhere else. However, I'm not looking for what the "experts" say about this, but rather honest men/women of God who are still sensitive to the Spirit of God, over what some expert says from some book. (And to be honest, I don't quite trust "experts" anymore either. Whether you choose to see that as wisdom or folly is entirely upto you)

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.

42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness?

43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Amos 5:25 Have ye offered unto me sacrifices and offerings in the wilderness fortyyears, O house of Israel?
26 But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves.
27Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD,whose name is The God of hosts.

When I came across these verses, I must confess I was very shaken & disturbed. I began looking it up in earnest b/c I couldn't believe what I was reading. I know the bible says that Israel is blinded in part, etc, but the idea that "Christian" churches (I've seen many) could have the flag of Israel in their building & yet the symbol itself is that of Moloch; how is this not known? In SP churches we argue about asinine/open to interpretation things (some go as far as banning wedding rings in their congregation) yet having satanic symbols in their midst, and thinking that God would hear ANYTHING we have to say with that THING among our midst? (Not that He doesn't obviously, He has mercy & grace among us) Yet I believe one of the sad things today is that unless you KNOW something already, or have an inclination to go looking for things you don't understand, or "natural curiosity" as they call it, you're not likely to find out things like this.

So, my question is to the older, more mature (don't mean by age) elders here; without going into conspiracy theory land or some kind of nazi mentality; IS the flag of Israel REALLY this star? Is it the seal of Solomon, a symbol of Baal Moloch? Or have my studies gone amiss? (And if you believe that, please provide links, I've never abided by "cause I say so", thanks.

This really disturbs me & gives me pause. Not b/c what it may represent, but b/c I never heard about it until recently & WHY I never heard about it. Thanks in advance.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I would suggest that you go to the Messianic forum where there are Jewish people who can answer you. In my opinion, they are the ones who would really know about the specific subject. Here is a Jewish site explaining the Mogen David (Star of David) though. Applying what you read in scripture to this star would be incorrect. Sorry if this is the answer you did not want but I believe it's the most factual.

 

[Messy]

Could be a hexagram, that wouldn't surprise me. They're not saved yet. The antichrist will sit there in the Temple.

 

[Zugzwang]

I would suggest that you go to the Messianic forum where there are Jewish people who can answer you. In my opinion, they are the ones who would really know about the specific subject. Here is a Jewish site explaining the Mogen David (Star of David) though. Applying what you read in scripture to this star would be incorrect. Sorry if this is the answer you did not want but I believe it's the most factual.

I understand what you mean, it isn't about the answer that I want, but whether its factual. do you honestly think a messianic jew would even admit to that though? If in in fact it is true?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

The six-pointed star is of ancient origin and is used in many other religions with a variety of meanings.

I understand what you mean, it isn't about the answer that I want, but whether its factual. do you honestly think a messianic jew would even admit to that though? If in in fact it is true?

If they believed it yes I think they would. Why don't you ask them instead of speculating and possibly being guilty of slander. Or I guess you said you don't care about the answer only finding people who will tell you your info is factual even if it isn't.

What about those 6 pointed stars in the popes hats? How about a police badge? It's a 6 pointed star. It's a shape which can be used for many different things. Just because it's a 6 pointed star does not mean it's a hexagram or what's his name star. Some charismatics have such imaginations. The six-pointed star is of ancient origin and is used in many other religions with a variety of meanings.

Here's an exert from a site who shows where the cross shows up in pagan rituals:

The ancient Egyptians also adopted the cross as a religious symbol of their pagan gods. Countless Egyptian drawings depict themselves holding crosses in their hands. Among them, the Egyptian savior Horus is depicted holding a cross in his hand. He is also depicted as an infant sitting on his mother's knee with a cross on the seat they occupy. The most common of the crosses used by these pagan Egyptians, the CRUX ANSATA, was later adopted by the Christians.

The Egyptian savior, Osiris, the Egyptian god of the dead and the underworld, is sometimes represented holding out this cross to mortals signifying that this person has discarded mortality for the life to come.

Another cross has been unearthed in Ireland. It belongs to the cult of the Persian god of the sun "Mithra" and bears a crucified effigy. The Greeks and Romans too adopted the cross as their religious symbol many centuries before Christianity did the same. An ancient inscription in Tessaly is accompanied by a Calvary cross. More crosses can be found to adorn the tomb of king Midas in Phrygia. The above references may be referred to for many more examples. [1]​

My point being that if one looks hard enough they can find bad in anything.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Could be a hexagram, that wouldn't surprise me. They're not saved yet. The antichrist will sit there in the Temple.

Romans 11:5-36

 

[Messy]

Romans 11:5-36

What do you mean with that? They're not all saved now and the ones that are might not know it if it really is occult.
Yesterday I read that a Messianic heard that it was a hexagram and he didn't believe it first, but investigated it for 4 years and concluded it was occult.

But I don't have a clue if it's true since different websites say the total opposite.

The Star of David — Many sources claim this symbol did not originate until the Middle Ages, but that is not true. It can be found on the frieze of the 2nd Century synagogue in Capernaum. It also appears as part of the 1st Century symbol of the Messianic Church, which combined the symbols of the menorah, the star of David and the fish.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

What do you mean with that? They're not all saved now and the ones that are might not know it if it really is occult.
Yesterday I read that a Messianic heard that it was a hexagram and he didn't believe it first, but investigated it for 4 years and concluded it was occult.

But I don't have a clue if it's true since different websites say the total opposite.

The Star of David — Many sources claim this symbol did not originate until the Middle Ages, but that is not true. It can be found on the frieze of the 2nd Century synagogue in Capernaum. It also appears as part of the 1st Century symbol of the Messianic Church, which combined the symbols of the menorah, the star of David and the fish.

Your statement was "they are not saved", which according to Paul is untrue. Some of them are saved... God has a remnant. The symbol is a "6-pointed star" (that's all) which has been used in many different religions for many different things, the same as the cross which Christians consider holy. A hexagram is a shape, the same as a square, circle, etc. A sheriff badge (I said police earlier but theirs is 5 points) is a hexagram. There is one on a hat that the pope wears. I occasionally wear a star of David (the shape of a hexagram) and not once has anyone asked me if I am a witch. They do however, ask me if I'm Jewish. Now a pentagram is used for witchcraft. See pentagram. It is a hexagram encased in a circle.

How is it that we are so quick to point out how certain symbols involving a religion we are not part of are evil but yet refuse to see the ones in our own religion. I've already pointed out the cross and what it means in occult religions. How about christmas trees, and easter eggs and easter egg hunts, and Santa Clause, and, gosh, the Christian list of evil symbols can go on and on. But Christians claim they have redeemed those evil symbols, so how about allowing said redemption for other symbols that Christians don't embrace but want to make evil for others? It's a 6 pointed star which has many differing uses. No one group can lay claim to a shape.

 

[Messy]

Your statement was "they are not saved", which according to Paul is untrue. Some of them are saved... God has a remnant. The symbol is a "6-pointed star" which has been used in many different religions for many different things, the same as the cross which Christians consider holy. A hexagram is a 6 pointed star, so is a sheriff badge (I said police earlier but theirs is 5 points), and a hat that the pope wears has a 6 pointed star on it as well. I occasionally wear a star of David and not once has anyone asked me if I am a witch. They do however, ask me if I'm Jewish.

How is it that we are so quick to point out how certain symbols involving a religion we are not part of are evil but yet refuse to see the ones in our own religion. I've already pointed out the cross and what it means in occult religions. How about christmas trees, and easter eggs and easter egg hunts, and Santa Clause, and, gosh, the Christian list of evil symbols can go on and on. But Christians claim they have redeemed those evil symbols, so how about allowing said redemption for other symbols that Christians don't embrace but want to make evil for others?

Yes okay but I thought that was clear. I don't think the Messianics made that flag but another website says Messianic in the first age used that sign. I dunno. I've just always watched out with all symbols. If someone can show me a cross is occult I throw that out too, don't have to, I don't have any of those things. If they'd find out the Dutch flag was occult I wouldn't care if they took another and burned it. My mom threw away the curtains because there were signs on it which were from freemasonry. Lol we even kick out garden gnomes because they are occult. Don't take it personal.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Yes okay but I thought that was clear. I don't think the Messianics made that flag but another website says Messianic in the first age used that sign. I dunno. I've just always watched out with all symbols. If someone can show me a cross is occult I throw that out too, don't have to, I don't have any of those things. If they'd find out the Dutch flag was occult I wouldn't care if they took another and burned it. My mom threw away the curtains because there were signs on it which were from freemasonry. Lol we even kick out garden gnomes because they are occult. Don't take it personal.

I'm not taking it personal but I do hate speculation...and I do get a bit heated on some subjects. I have the Messianic symbol too...it's a menorah (which is in the Bible), a star of David, and a fish. I personally don't see anything wrong with it but I'm sure there are websites that tell of all the evils of it. I choose to not go to websites that find evil in everything. By all means follow your own convictions though. If we ever meet I won't wear my Star of David or my Messianic symbol so as to not be a stumbling block to you.

 

[Messy]

I'm not taking it personal but I do hate speculation...and I do get a bit heated on some subjects. I have the Messianic symbol too...it's a menorah (which is in the Bible), a star of David, and a fish. I personally don't see anything wrong with it but I'm sure there are websites that tell of all the evils of it. I choose to not go to websites that find evil in everything. By all means follow your own convictions though. If we ever meet I won't wear my Star of David or my Messianic symbol so as to not be a stumbling block to you.

Oh I don't care if someone wears a cross or a star of David. I used to have both but just to be sure I don't have anything. Maybe it isn't even wrong because like with the cross the devil steals everything. You couldn't even believe in God then because there's also Mithras stories.

 

[Alithis]

when did they begin to use the star as the flag .. wasn't its first appearance imposed on them in ww2 ?

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

when did they begin to use the star as the flag .. wasn't its first appearance imposed on them in ww2 ?

The Star of David

 

[Alithis]

The Star of David

thanks for the info

so it seems one way or another it is not a hebrew /israeli/jewish symbol at all .

it is, it appears , a case of taking on the symbol that over the ages was used to socially identify, isolate ,and persecute the jews .it was imposed upon them through the AD ages and they have taken on the symbol to unify and identify themselves.

it would seem the more appropriate symbol as a flag would be the menorah (the 7 branch candlestick for those who don't know )

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

thanks for the info

so it seems one way or another it is not a hebrew /israeli/jewish symbol at all .

it is, it appears , a case of taking on the symbol that over the ages was used to socially identify, isolate ,and persecute the jews .it was imposed upon them through the AD ages and they have taken on the symbol to unify and identify themselves.

it would seem the more appropriate symbol as a flag would be the menorah (the 7 branch candlestick for those who don't know )

I agree