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The Skinny on Buff Guys?

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It seems that women prefer muscled men. That isn't always the case, I know, but I've heard so many women comment on Vin Diesel or Johnny Depp or insert muscled man's name here.

I'm 6 feet tall. I weigh somewhere around 120 pounds. I turn sideways, I disappear. Poof. I've been trying to eat more and gain weight so that when I exercise, I have "something to work with", but it seems my body just absorbs everything it can.

Is it true that women prefer "buff" guys? Why does that look better than, say, an average guy who isn't fat, isn't scrawny, but doesn't have pectorals that rival Dolly Parton? :confused:
 

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I like some muscle, but not somebody that's really super buff who's every muscle is ripped to the max.

My bf is a bit taller than you and about 140 ish. Thin, but looks strong, just the way I like em. I myself am super thin, 5'7 and about 110, so that probably has something to do with it.

Also, this is a side note suggestion, but have you had your thyroid tested? Thyroid is responsible for your metabolism, if it's over working and producing too much thyroid hormone, just keeping weight on can be a challenge, nevermind gaining. I'm on the verge of hyperthyroid myself, I need about 3000 calories or more to hold my weight. If I forget to eat for even a day, I lose weight very rapidly.
 
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I haven't had my thyroid tested, but I do have a disability that stunts my muscle growth (especially around my calves). I do spend a great deal of my time moving when I'm at work (getting in and out of a car every time I make a delivery and moving around the store a lot), but when I'm at home, I relax and sit around.

If things work out and I get the job I'm shooting for, then I'll have a set schedule and I'll have time to go to the gym. This is the look I'm shooting for:

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Daniel Craig as James Bond in Casino Royale

Not this:

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I am no authority on the matter by any means, I don't have a PhD in sports science either dude...but if you wanted to PM me about things you could do in the gym, your diet etc then feel free :thumbsup:

When I was a kid...around 18 years old, I was 6ft 1 and 140lbs. I always used to have people call me names and make fun of me :o I used to get knocked off the ball all the time playing football :oWhen I hit 21 I wanted to do something about it so I started going to the gym. Now I am 185-190 lbs. I don't take any of these suppliments..none at all...not even the "safe" *cough* ones like creatine. The Lord has blessed us with fruit, proteins from fish, vegetables to help build up our body...we don't need steroids (that are used on horses and cattle) to make us look good :doh:

At 23 your metabolism is still running at 100 mph...When you hit your mid-20's it will significantly slow down. Your body type from the sounds of it is classed as "Ectomorph"...the same as mine:D That doesn't mean you can't (with effort and a bit of dedication) get into good shape.

The actors you see in films...the best examples that come to mind for me are Sylvester Stallone years ago in the Rambo films. He didn't achieve that without steroids and I don't care what people think...many, many of these actors will take performance enhancing drugs to get a role in a film. Don't judge yourself against them. It simply is not a fair comparison. I don't. There is no point :thumbsup:

Hope this helps Bro.;)




It seems that women prefer muscled men. That isn't always the case, I know, but I've heard so many women comment on Vin Diesel or Johnny Depp or insert muscled man's name here.

I'm 6 feet tall. I weigh somewhere around 120 pounds. I turn sideways, I disappear. Poof. I've been trying to eat more and gain weight so that when I exercise, I have "something to work with", but it seems my body just absorbs everything it can.

Is it true that women prefer "buff" guys? Why does that look better than, say, an average guy who isn't fat, isn't scrawny, but doesn't have pectorals that rival Dolly Parton? :confused:
 
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I forgot to mention that Daniel Craig has a different body type to what you and I have. His body type would be classed as "mesomorph". I will never get to that size in terms of muscle "bulk"...and I think to have that as a goal would be somewhat unrealistic.

An excellent way to see what your conditioning and body could look like is by using boxers. They are put into different weight classes. Joe Calzaghe:bow: is a Welsh boxer with the same body type as us both and fights at the 168 lb mark.

This may seem a massive amount of weight to put on...but even a "middleweight" will not weigh-in at more than 160 lbs...over time (and that is the single biggest thing you have to do...is be patient and dedicated) you will slowly put on more weight and build up muscle. You may not get to his condition or "size"...but that is a much more realistic goal to aim for:thumbsup:

Plus...Daniel Craig is in nowhere near the condition that Joe Calzaghe is in...he may look "buff" but probably wouldn't last too long on the treadmill ;)

Before you start any training...see your doctor. Maybe he/she will do tests with your thyroid...everything should be fine though.
 
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It seems that women prefer muscled men. That isn't always the case, I know, but I've heard so many women comment on Vin Diesel or Johnny Depp or insert muscled man's name here.

I'm 6 feet tall. I weigh somewhere around 120 pounds. I turn sideways, I disappear. Poof. I've been trying to eat more and gain weight so that when I exercise, I have "something to work with", but it seems my body just absorbs everything it can.

Is it true that women prefer "buff" guys? Why does that look better than, say, an average guy who isn't fat, isn't scrawny, but doesn't have pectorals that rival Dolly Parton? :confused:
Not necessarily, no. Far too much focus is put on physcial appearance nowadays - it's disappointing that it's bled so fundamentally into the body of Christ.

You're hand-crafted by God and He'll bring your chica to you in His timing :) Men who spend too much time on their appearance, for example, give me the impression that they're self-involved and if that's the case, they're looking inwards and not up.

Most women of God want a man of God - not a man with musculature. It's unrealistic to say that looks are inconsequential; finding our Person attractive is wonderful, but as priorities go, it's low down on the list behind love for the Lord, love for people, kindness, intelligence, integrity... thems be what matters, mate.
 
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It seems that women prefer muscled men. That isn't always the case, I know, but I've heard so many women comment on Vin Diesel or Johnny Depp or insert muscled man's name here.

I'm 6 feet tall. I weigh somewhere around 120 pounds. I turn sideways, I disappear. Poof. I've been trying to eat more and gain weight so that when I exercise, I have "something to work with", but it seems my body just absorbs everything it can.

Is it true that women prefer "buff" guys? Why does that look better than, say, an average guy who isn't fat, isn't scrawny, but doesn't have pectorals that rival Dolly Parton? :confused:
Let's take a look at two extremes of what we could call normal, healthy people. On one side we have the ultra skinny, somewhat androgynous guys:

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And on the other side we have the heavily muscled guys like Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds:

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The vast majority of women are going to find the muscled guys far more attractive. Musculature is a good indicator of health, and that a guy cares enough to take care of himself and his appearance.
Of course, this goes too far in many guys, who turn it into an obsession.
Personally, I love keeping myself in shape. I feel much healthier and happier for it. 2 years ago, I was around 163 pounds (according to this online converter). Now, after bulking up, I'm just over 200 pounds. I still look quite skinny, but nowhere near as skinny as I used to be. :D
 
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Hmm... Ryan Reynolds is beautiful, sho nuff. But the main appeal is actually that he's laugh out loud funny, and cares about stuff. Not in an insipid Hollywood way, but he's actively involved and aware.

Whereas Daniel Craig, for example, appears to be massively self involved and dull - making him appear unattractive. And Hugh Jackman is meh.
 
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I agree with a lot of what you said, although would disagree that musculator is a good indication of health. All you can tell from this alone is that someone works out on weights. You can look like that and be totally unfit physically.

You do not get to look like those guys pictured by doing cardio-vascular exercises and weights as you want to do. At least one of those pictured is more than likely taking something like a performance enhancing drug. That does not make you "physically fit"...

If you want to add size to yourself, then doing low-rep, medium-high weight exercises are a must...but...do not just do this alone. You need to add some "cardio" (running, cycling etc) to your workout. It is pointless looking like Mr Universe if you can't run a couple of miles without being stretchered out of the gym :D

Again...those guys there have different body types (mesomorph) whereas you and I both are grouped in the "ectomorph" type. It doesn't matter even if I took steroids, I probably never reach that "size". That does not mean that you can't get in good shape...because you can :amen:

I'd stay well clear of looking at photos of these dudes from the movies who are blatenly taking "suppliments" *cough*:D and look towards realistic and healthier goals like I mentioned in my last post:thumbsup:

Let's take a look at two extremes of what we could call normal, healthy people. On one side we have the ultra skinny, somewhat androgynous guys:

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And on the other side we have the heavily muscled guys like Hugh Jackman and Ryan Reynolds:

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The vast majority of women are going to find the muscled guys far more attractive. Musculature is a good indicator of health, and that a guy cares enough to take care of himself and his appearance.
Of course, this goes too far in many guys, who turn it into an obsession.
Personally, I love keeping myself in shape. I feel much healthier and happier for it. 2 years ago, I was around 163 pounds (according to this online converter). Now, after bulking up, I'm just over 200 pounds. I still look quite skinny, but nowhere near as skinny as I used to be. :D
 
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I agree with a lot of what you said, although would disagree that musculator is a good indication of health. All you can tell from this alone is that someone works out on weights. You can look like that and be totally unfit physically.
Definitely not. Building muscle makes your muscles more conducive to fast, strong movements (vital for certain sports, such as rugby league); boosts your muscle's endurance; reduces your potential for injury; improves cardiac function; improves posture and can prevent you from succumbing to diseases such as osteoporosis once you get older.

Muscle is also far more metabolically active than fat. The more muscle you have on your body equals more kilojoules being used at rest. In other words, it lifts your body's basal metabolic rate.

If you are as muscly as Hugh Jackman, there is no way that you can be unfit.
You do not get to look like those guys pictured by doing cardio-vascular exercises and weights as you want to do. At least one of those pictured is more than likely taking something like a performance enhancing drug. That does not make you "physically fit"...
Nope, neither of them are on any sort of performace-enhancing drugs. That's quite the nasty accusation. They both went through horribly gruelling workouts for months on end to get into that kind of shape- it was hard work.
If you want to add size to yourself, then doing low-rep, medium-high weight exercises are a must...but...do not just do this alone. You need to add some "cardio" (running, cycling etc) to your workout. It is pointless looking like Mr Universe if you can't run a couple of miles without being stretchered out of the gym :D
They're different kinds of fitness. You wouldn't expect Nigerian long-distance runners to be able to step into a weightlifter's shoes and beat them at their game, nor even come close, just as you wouldn't expect the opposite. That doesn't make either of them unfit though, the weightlifter would have supreme anaerobic fitness whilst the long-distance runner would have superb aerobic fitness.
I would agree, however, that taking a middle road between the two extremes is vastly preferable.
Again...those guys there have different body types (mesomorph) whereas you and I both are grouped in the "ectomorph" type. It doesn't matter even if I took steroids, I probably never reach that "size". That does not mean that you can't get in good shape...because you can :amen:
Ryan Reynolds definitely isn't a mesomorph. He was a tall, skinny man (6'3") before he bulked up for Blade Trinity.
I'd stay well clear of looking at photos of these dudes from the movies who are blatenly taking "suppliments" *cough*:D and look towards realistic and healthier goals like I mentioned in my last post:thumbsup:
You can easily look like them without taking supplements. It just depends on how much work you're willing to put in, and how conducive your genetics are for muscle building. I've got a few mates who are as bulky as them and they don't touch supplements.
 
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I would agree with you that there are different types of fitness:D...such as cardio-vascular fitness.

I would also agree with you that a long distance runner could not step into the shoes of a body-builder and realistically compete with him considering it is such a different type of "fitness".

If you read what I said...I did not say that Hugh Jackman was "unfit". I said muscular definition as an outward appearance is not a good indication of fitness (by that I meant fitness as cardio-vascular fitness and endurance...which for me is a better bench-mark for being healthy. Ask any personal trainer.)

Muscle does increase the metabolic rate in someone...you're right. But that does not mean that someone like Arnold Schwarzenegger is classed as "fit" in his prime as I would define it. He would have struggled to do moderately intense cardio-vascular exercise even in his prime. I have seen his documentary "Pumping Iron" and strong he may have been...but "fit"? No.

I want to also clarify that I am not saying he (Hugh jackman) is on steroids...I never said that in my post. What I am saying is that there is no way he got into that shape (the extremely low body-fat ratio, definition and amount of muscle) without some form of extra supplimentation in his diet such as creatine...dress it up anyway you like...it is still a "performance enhancing drug"...it may not be "steroids" but it still enhances your bodies performace to a point that you would not be able to perform at that level without it.

You can legally buy "fat-stripping" suppliments and products such as creatine over the counter. I wouldn't touch either of these...even though creatine is widely used...it has been proven to damage your kidneys if you use it for more than a few months at a time...now if someone wants to use these types of suppliments it's upto them but I wouldn't go near any of them :doh:

If you look up the definition of "ectomorph" and "mesomorph"...there is no way that Ryan Reynolds has a ectomorphic body type. He may be a combination of these 2 but he is definately not purely ectomorphic. It wouldn't be possible for him to "bulk-up" to that size if he was. Even if...even if he took suppliments you do not get to that size by just training and eating. I have never in my life seen an ectomorphic body type person look as bulky as that. If you think you can do this without suppliments then good on you ;)

The 3 Somatotypes

William H. Sheldon, PhD, MD, introduced the concept of body types, or somatotypes, in the 1940s. Since then, nutritionists, exercise physiologists, and even doctors have used it to help design effective, individualized fitness plans. The gist is that everyone falls, though not altogether neatly, into the three categories below. Keep in mind that these are generalizations, and that most of us have characteristics of two or even all three somatotypes.

Ectomorphs are long and lean, with little body fat, and little muscle. They have a hard time gaining weight. Fashion models and basketball players fit this category.
Mesomorph
[FONT=Helvetica,Arial]Muscular Body[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica,Arial]Excellent Posture[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica,Arial]Gains Muscle Easily[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica,Arial]Gains Fat More Easily Than Ectomorphs[/FONT]
The bones and muscles of the head are prominent. Features of the face are clearly defined, such as cheek bones and a square, heavy jaw
You're entitled to your opinions though :thumbsup:

Definitely not. Building muscle makes your muscles more conducive to fast, strong movements (vital for certain sports, such as rugby league); boosts your muscle's endurance; reduces your potential for injury; improves cardiac function; improves posture and can prevent you from succumbing to diseases such as osteoporosis once you get older.

Muscle is also far more metabolically active than fat. The more muscle you have on your body equals more kilojoules being used at rest. In other words, it lifts your body's basal metabolic rate.

If you are as muscly as Hugh Jackman, there is no way that you can be unfit.
Nope, neither of them are on any sort of performace-enhancing drugs. That's quite the nasty accusation. They both went through horribly gruelling workouts for months on end to get into that kind of shape- it was hard work.
They're different kinds of fitness. You wouldn't expect Nigerian long-distance runners to be able to step into a weightlifter's shoes and beat them at their game, nor even come close, just as you wouldn't expect the opposite. That doesn't make either of them unfit though, the weightlifter would have supreme anaerobic fitness whilst the long-distance runner would have superb aerobic fitness.
I would agree, however, that taking a middle road between the two extremes is vastly preferable.
Ryan Reynolds definitely isn't a mesomorph. He was a tall, skinny man (6'3") before he bulked up for Blade Trinity.
You can easily look like them without taking supplements. It just depends on how much work you're willing to put in, and how conducive your genetics are for muscle building. I've got a few mates who are as bulky as them and they don't touch supplements.
 
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I would agree with you that there are different types of fitness:D...such as cardio-vascular fitness.

I would also agree with you that a long distance runner could not step into the shoes of a body-builder and realistically compete with him considering it is such a different type of "fitness".

If you read what I said...I did not say that Hugh Jackman was "unfit". I said muscular definition as an outward appearance is not a good indication of fitness (by that I meant fitness as cardio-vascular fitness and endurance...which for me is a better bench-mark for being healthy. Ask any personal trainer.)
As I said before, musculature is a good indicator of health. Someone who has excellent anaerobic fitness is also going to be healthy, for reasons that I mentioned before.

You obviously value aerobic fitness over anaerobic fitness, which is fine, but don't go calling those who are incredibly anaerobically fit unhealthy- it's simply not true.
I want to also clarify that I am not saying he is on steroids...I never said that in my post. What I am saying is that there is no way he got into that shape (the extremely low body-fat ratio, definition and amount of muscle) without some form of extra supplimentation in his diet such as creatine...dress it up anyway you like...it is still a "performance enhancing drug"...it may not be "steroids" but it still enhances your bodies performace to a point that you would not be able to perform at that level without it.
Creatine is no drug. It's found in (and is synthesised naturally within) all vertebrates. Introducing creatine supplements to your diet is just like adding extra protein to your diet to aid in bulking up and muscle repair.
Are you taking 'performance enhancing drugs' when you add large amounts of protein to your diet?

Diet plays a huge part in bulking up, and supplements are essential. You can't bulk up without supplementing your diet, so I don't know why you look down on it.
You can legally buy "fat-stripping" suppliments and products such as creatine over the counter. I wouldn't touch either of these...even though creatine is widely used...it has been proven to damage your kidneys if you use it for more than a few months at a time...now if someone wants to use these types of suppliments it's upto them but I wouldn't go near any of them :doh:
Extra creatine only causes kidney problems in those with existing renal conditions. It's safe for people with healthy kidneys.
If you look up the definition of "ectomorph" and "mesomorph"...there is no way that Ryan Reynolds has a ectomorphic body type. He may be a combination of these 2 but he is definately not purely ectomorphic. It wouldn't be possible for him to "bulk-up" to that size if he was. Even if...even if he took suppliments you do not get to that size by just training and eating. I have never in my life seen an ectomorphic body type person look as bulky as that. If you think you can do this without suppliments then good on you ;)
He definitely leans toward the ectomorphic body type (although, I don't think they're accurate descriptive categories at all). Look at him before he bulked up:

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He was very slim, and very tall.

You read about his Blade Trinity workout here. It was a combination of strict diet control and hard work.
 
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Dude...you're entitled to your opinions...I'll agree to disagree with you.

As for what his workout consisted of I'll quote this: "I'm a pretty scrawny guy so we cut cardio entirely and just focused on bulking up." He also went down to just 3% body fat. If you think that is healthy that is upto you. Again dude...we could go round and round and round and round in circles as my definition of "fitness" is different to yours. I tend to place strength/resistance training and cardio training at about 50/50 in my work-outs for a good balance.

I believe the Lord gave us everything we need to have a healthy diet when training without the need for suppliments. If you want to take them then fine, but in my opinion, companies selling these products have simply jumped on the commercial bandwagon like everything else in this day. Some of the possible side-effects of Creatine supplements areabdominal pain, dehydration, diarrhea, seizures, and kidney problems.

The FDA reports have also cited cardiac arrhythmias, deep vein thrombosis, myopathies, and death as potential dangers. If people want to take this then that's their decision. They may never, ever get a side-effect. I wouldn't want to risk my health to put on a few extra pounds though.

Again it depends what look you want to achieve. I have no desire whatsoever to go over the 185 lbs mark. Someone might want to...that is purely their choice.

Ask your doctor if taking "supplements" is value for money. Your body can only absorb so many vitamins, nutrients and minerals. If you overload your body with supplements (whatever it is...creatine...whey protein...whatever...) all your body does is "pass it through your system" :o...You literally...ummmmm no I'm not going there :D

Anyways...hope your training goes well Bro :thumbsup:
 
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Vin Diesel looks like a monkey, which is not hot.

I am not concerned about what a guy looks like physically (Lean, wide, bulky etc) but I do want him to be concerned about his physical health. It's nice when he looks good but it's even nicer when he can be around for a long time because he takes care of himself. :thumbsup:
 
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That made me laugh:D...love your dry sense of humour :thumbsup:
Vin Diesel looks like a monkey, which is not hot.

I am not concerned about what a guy looks like physically (Lean, wide, bulky etc) but I do want him to be concerned about his physical health. It's nice when he looks good but it's even nicer when he can be around for a long time because he takes care of himself. :thumbsup:
 
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I am a little more attracted to guys with some muscle, not a ton that makes them look odd but just some, like someone else said, it looks healthy. That said my ex boyfriend was the complete opposite of that, he was kinda scrawny but I didn't mind a bit. Muscles aren't the first thing that I look for.
 
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It seems that women prefer muscled men. That isn't always the case, I know, but I've heard so many women comment on Vin Diesel or Johnny Depp or insert muscled man's name here.


Please, please, please, please keep in mind that what you see on the big screen does not represent reality.

Camera angles, blocking, lighting, the camera adding ten pounds and special effects touch ups all change the way people look on screen.

A person can be made to look taller just by how close or far away they are to the camera (this is how they made Elijah Wood look 4 ft tall next to Ian McKellan in Lord of the Rings, for example). They can be made to look bigger this way too. And more muscly with makeup and lighting. Yes, they put makeup on people's whole bodies - they outline the muscles on guys to make them appear more defined.

So DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT begin comparing yourself to Hollywood stars. They're not real.



That being said. I personally don't care about muscles on a guy. If he wants to spend a lot of time in the gym getting muscle tone and definition, that's fine - as long as he's not vain. But I honestly don't even notice that about a guy right away.

I am personally attracted to bigger men - tall, bigger frames (bone structure). That is probably due mostly to the fact that it makes me feel small next to them (having always struggled with weight issues, I don't like to feel like I'm bigger than a guy I like). And, honestly, I like a little bit of a belly on a guy. Six pack abs are a turn off.


I'm 6 feet tall. I weigh somewhere around 120 pounds. I turn sideways, I disappear. Poof. I've been trying to eat more and gain weight so that when I exercise, I have "something to work with", but it seems my body just absorbs everything it can.

You sound like my brother. He can't put on weight to save his life. But he found himself a really gorgeous woman - they're getting married in January. Here's a pic:

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She thinks he's the most handsome man alive.

There's at least one woman out there who is going to think you're incredible Skellington. And one is all you need, right?
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