Composer responds: Correct, Jesus was made a curse for us, in order to fulfill the Scriptures that he must be the Sacrificial Lamb (John 1:29) KJS, thereby the perfect "EXAMPLE for us" (1 Pet. 2:21) KJS that we might follow in his steps and do no sins likewise COPY as Jesus did.
Exactly, and the Sacrificial Lamb was crucified for our sins. The whole point of the blood sacrifice was for atonement for our sins. The animal wasnt killed for its sins but the sins of the people. Jesus wasnt sacrificed for his sins but for ours.
1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
Composer responds: We can NEVER "follow his example" if it is already done FOR US?
That makes NO sense.
So you are saying that scripture is false?
Composer responds:
We can only follow an "example" in order that we might achieve the similar success by doing similarly as the EXAMPLE shows us.
If it were really all done already "for us" as you suggest, then Sin would be eradicated already, but it is NOT.
If we could not follow the example of the law to be free from sin then how are we to follow the example of Jesus to achieve the same? The Bible teaches that through the law we could not save ourselves from sin so Jesus offered up a more perfect sacrifice.
Hebrews 10
1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
You mentioned sin being eradicated to confuse the issue but this isnt what I said or believe. Jesus didnt eradicate sin but forgives us our sin.
Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
He did this by his death and resurrection.
Romans 6:3-5
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Composer responds:
Paul declares to the Corinthians that, notwithstanding the death of Christ, if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain: ye are yet in your sins (1- Corinthians 15:17).
NB . . . "ye are yet in your sins".
So how can we still remain in our sins if they are all already eradicated by Jesus' Sacrifice "for us?"
Great butcher of the scriptures Composer. Paul clearly says here that if Christ werent raised from the dead we would still be in our sins. I have some great news for you, Jesus in fact did rise from the dead and sits at the right hand of God.
Composer responds to Heb. 9:12:
You will notice that the "for us" is in brackets and thereby NOT in the original, proving again that Jesus sacrificed himself not "for us" but first for himself and then as the perfect EXAMPLE "for all" of us thereafter.
Proving you take the scriptures out of context and nothing else. If you had bothered to read the entire passage you would see that this is talking about Jesus being the High Priest and that the High Priest went into the Holiest of all part of the tabernacle to offer a sacrifice for himself and all the people.
Hebrews 9:7
But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Regardless if the for us was written in the original or was implied in that one verse is irrelevant to this argument. Taken in context with the entire passage this verse is talking about Jesus obtaining eternal redemption for us as was the duties of the High Priest.
Composer responds:
Jesus was made "lower" than the angels - Heb. 2: 7 KJS, do you now suggest that God made himself lower than His own angels?
The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.
Where in any of my post did I quote Hebrews 2:7 and suggest anything? You are clearly ignoring the issue here and trying to railroad this thread into another topic. This topic isnt about whether or not Jesus was God it is about whether or not Jesus died for our sins. Stick to the topic.
