The sign of the Son of man,

Quasar92

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 7, 2016
3,762
1,943
100
Lexington, KY 40517
Visit site
✟332,574.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Jesus referred to in Mt.24:30:

There are two signs referred to in Rev.12, in which the one found in verses 1-2 through 5, the woman represents the virgin Mary, which is the subject of this post. The woman of verses 6-14 represent the nation of Israel.

The sign of the Son of Man referred to by Jesus in Mt.24:30 is explained from what was written in Rev,12:1-2, called the "Wonderous sign in heaven.'

The Great and Wonderous Sign -

You could say - it is the gospel in the sky. (Ps.89:5) This wonder takes place once every year at a very specific time, when Jesus was born. [The Star of Bethlehem was also involved in the astronomical phenomenon, but only a one time event, discussed a little later on].

The woman represents a virgin with the sun amidst her body, representing her pregnancy. The crescent moon at her feet represents the specific time frame this event takes place.

The only time of year this event can be witnessed, is in late September, at the time of the Autumnal Equinox. As seen in the middle east, at or around the Jewish Holy Convocation - feast and festival - of Rosh Hashanah. The Israeli New Year - which they call 'a year of new beginnings.' It is also the last fall feast and festival of their year which they call the 'feast of trumpets.' They also believe it marks the day God created Adam. Or at the time of the annual Autumnal Equinox of September 22/23 every year.

The astronomical, scientific study made, reveal the woman's body is in the Constellation of Virgo (The virgin). She represents the virgin Mary, of Israel, and has a crown of twelve stars on her head - representing the twelve tribes of Israel. The sun is amid her body, signifying her pregnancy.

Her head is about 10% in the previous Constellation Leo (The Lion - of Judah) and the moon is at her feet, about 10% into the Constellation Libra (The scales of righteousness and judgement). Depicting the precise window of time this event took place. With all the heavenly bodies in motion, this event can take place only between a time frame from 7:15 to 7:30 P.M., a 15 minute window.

So when Jesus talks about His return at His Second Advent in Mt.24:30, it will be at that specific time of year - and time frame!

For the full treatment on this outstanding story, can be found in a book written by Dr. Ernest L. Martin, PhD., "The Star That Astonished The World." Which also reveals what the Star of Bethlehem was, from this study, in the early to mid '90's by scientists and astronomers. Who retrogressed the heavenly bodies by computer, until their studies revealed the Star of Bethlehem to be a series of conjunctions between the king planet, Jupiter, the Queen planet Venus and the King star Regulus, as seen from the middle east. [The birth of Jesus was calculated by Dr. Martin to be September 11, 3 B.C.]


Quasar92
 
Last edited:

mark kennedy

Natura non facit saltum
Site Supporter
Mar 16, 2004
22,024
7,364
60
Indianapolis, IN
✟549,630.00
Faith
Calvinist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
The skies are dark, the stars don't shine, no sun, no moon. Then the sign of the Son of Man appears in the sky, this manifestation is most likely the Shechinah Glory:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:30,31)​

It's often described as resembling a cloud that shown so bright in the Temple it drove out the Levites. The initial light of creation was most likely not the sun, but the Shechinah. It was manifest at the ordination of the Priests in Leviticus 9, consuming the initial oblation. That fire that came from before the Lord could never be allowed to go out.
 
Upvote 0

Quasar92

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 7, 2016
3,762
1,943
100
Lexington, KY 40517
Visit site
✟332,574.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Revelation 12:1 is about the woman - Israel.
Mary -the mother of Jesus would not have crowns, nor
others obeying her.
the sun and the moon
at feet - means -underfoot - obeying

Israel gave birth to the Messiah. He came from the tribes of Israel -the tribe of Judah.

Now, ask yourself where did John mention the great tribulation?
What signs did Jesus tell His disciples would come after the tribulation?

6th seal - has the after the tribulation signs
Rev. 7 mentions the great tribulation

the 7th seal has yet to be opened


The OP is a brief summary from the study and research of a team of astronomers and scientists over a three to five year time frame in the early to mid '90's. What Jesus referred to in Mt.24:30, that He will return with the appearing of the sign of the Son of Man. It is a sign that appears once every year, at, or around the summer equinox and the Jewish Rosh Hashanah Holy Sabbath. The OP describes the scene of the heavenly bodies involved at that time. All of which was previously addressed in the OP.

Reference to the sign of the Son of Man:

Mt.24:30: ""Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory."


Quasar92
 
Upvote 0

BABerean2

Newbie
Site Supporter
May 21, 2014
20,614
7,484
North Carolina
✟893,665.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The OP is a brief summary from the study and research of a team of astronomers and scientists over a three to five year time frame in the early to mid '90's. What Jesus referred to in Mt.24:30, that He will return with the appearing of the sign of the Son of Man. It is a sign that appears once every year, at, or around the summer equinox and the Jewish Rosh Hashanah Holy Sabbath. The OP describes the scene of the heavenly bodies involved at that time. All of which was previously addressed in the OP.

Reference to the sign of the Son of Man:

Mt.24:30: ""Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory."


Quasar92

Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 
Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Mar 13:24  But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 
Mar 13:25  And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 
Mar 13:26  And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 


Luk 21:25  And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 
Luk 21:26  Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 
Luk 21:27  And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 


Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 


.
 
Upvote 0

mark kennedy

Natura non facit saltum
Site Supporter
Mar 16, 2004
22,024
7,364
60
Indianapolis, IN
✟549,630.00
Faith
Calvinist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
Can you show us the word "Shechinah" in the Hebrew scriptures?

What is the source of that word, other than a preacher on television?


.
It literally means 'the dwelling', it's based on the idea that God was present in the Holy of Holies in the Temple.

SHEKINAH (; lit. "the dwelling") The majestic presence or manifestation of God which has descended to "dwell" among men. Like Memra = "word"; "logos" and "Yeḳara" i.e., "Kabod" = "glory" (1906 Jewish Encyclopedia)​

It's actually a theological term from Rabbinical and Christian literature.

Shekinah: The Visible Sign of God's Presence: On the ark of the testimony in the Holy of holies, (Exd 25:22; Lev 16:2; 2Sa 6:2; 2Ki 19:14, 15; Psa 80:1; Isa 37:16; Eze 9:3; 10:18; Hbr 9:5) (Nave's Topical Bible)​

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

BABerean2

Newbie
Site Supporter
May 21, 2014
20,614
7,484
North Carolina
✟893,665.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
It literally means 'the dwelling', it's based on the idea that God was present in the Holy of Holies in the Temple.

SHEKINAH (; lit. "the dwelling") The majestic presence or manifestation of God which has descended to "dwell" among men. Like Memra = "word"; "logos" and "Yeḳara" i.e., "Kabod" = "glory" (1906 Jewish Encyclopedia)​

It's actually a theological term from Rabbinical and Christian literature.

Shekinah: The Visible Sign of God's Presence: On the ark of the testimony in the Holy of holies, (Exd 25:22; Lev 16:2; 2Sa 6:2; 2Ki 19:14, 15; Psa 80:1; Isa 37:16; Eze 9:3; 10:18; Hbr 9:5) (Nave's Topical Bible)​

Grace and peace,
Mark


The word "Shekinah" is not found in the Bible, according to the link below.

It comes from the oral traditions of rabbis, within Talmudic Judaism.

Some claim it represents the "feminine" aspect of God.

Shekhinah - Wikipedia


The Talmud also says that Christ is the product of a relationship between Mary and a Roman soldier named "Pantera".

I would not use it as a source.


.
 
Upvote 0

mark kennedy

Natura non facit saltum
Site Supporter
Mar 16, 2004
22,024
7,364
60
Indianapolis, IN
✟549,630.00
Faith
Calvinist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
The word "Shekinah" is not found in the Bible, according to the link below.

It comes from the oral traditions of rabbis, within Talmudic Judaism.

Some claim it represents the "feminine" aspect of God.

Shekhinah - Wikipedia


The Talmud also says that Christ is the product of a relationship between Mary and a Roman soldier named "Pantera".

I would not use it as a source.


.
What you have completely ignored is the the Shekinah is the, ‘presence’ or ’dwelling’ of God(Psalm 18:7-15; Exodus 13:21-22; Numbers 10:11-36)

The glory of the LORD rested on Mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it for six days; and on the seventh day He called to Moses from the midst of the cloud. And to the eyes of the sons of Israel the appearance of the glory of the LORD was like a consuming fire on the mountain top. Moses entered the midst of the cloud as he went up to the mountain; and Moses was on the mountain forty days and forty nights. (Exodus 24:16-18)

Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled on it, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. Throughout all their journeys whenever the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the sons of Israel would set out. (Exodus 40:34-38)

"There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel. (Exodus 25:22)

Now on the day that the tabernacle was erected the cloud covered the tabernacle, the tent of the testimony, and in the evening it was like the appearance of fire over the tabernacle, until morning. So it was continuously; the cloud would cover it by day, and the appearance of fire by night. Whenever the cloud was lifted from over the tent, afterward the sons of Israel would then set out; and in the place where the cloud settled down, there the sons of Israel would camp. ( Numbers 9:15-23)
The manifestation of the glory of God is what the word embodies. Jewish and Christian literature uses the term regularly. You wanted source material you got it, Jewish and Christian scholarship are not in conflict on this manifestation.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
Upvote 0

Quasar92

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 7, 2016
3,762
1,943
100
Lexington, KY 40517
Visit site
✟332,574.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
What about it is Jesus being seen by the world as sitting on the right hand of power? It happens in the 6th seal after the great tribulation is over.
men will hide in the rocks for fear of Him and His glory
Just as foretold by Isaiah chapter 2 verses 10-12 and Isaiah 2:19-21.

Matthew 26:64

“Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”


The sign of the Son of Man is found in the "wonderous sign" in heaven, recorded in Rev.12:1-2, as I have previously explained above.


Quasar92
 
Upvote 0

Quasar92

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 7, 2016
3,762
1,943
100
Lexington, KY 40517
Visit site
✟332,574.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
The skies are dark, the stars don't shine, no sun, no moon. Then the sign of the Son of Man appears in the sky, this manifestation is most likely the Shechinah Glory:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matthew 24:30,31)​

It's often described as resembling a cloud that shown so bright in the Temple it drove out the Levites. The initial light of creation was most likely not the sun, but the Shechinah. It was manifest at the ordination of the Priests in Leviticus 9, consuming the initial oblation. That fire that came from before the Lord could never be allowed to go out.


Yes, I believe Jesus return will be on the shechinah cloud, also, However, the Great and Wonderous," sign in Rev.12:1-2 is a real astronomical one that appears in the sky, once a year, at the very time of Jesus birth, which is the sign of the Son of Man. Near the summer equinox, of late September, on the Jewish holy day of Rosh Hoshanah, as the 3/5 year study of astronomers and scientists have revealed. More about this study, plus explanatory pics can be found in the book, "The Star That Astonished The World," by Earnest L. Martin, PhD.


Quasar92
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Quasar92

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 7, 2016
3,762
1,943
100
Lexington, KY 40517
Visit site
✟332,574.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Can you show us the word "Shechinah" in the Hebrew scriptures?

What is the source of that word, other than a preacher on television?


.


hekinah is derived from the Hebrew verb שכן.[need quotation to verify] The Semitic root means "to settle, inhabit, or dwell". This abstract noun is not present in the Bible, and is first encountered in rabbinic literature.[1]:148–149 Capiche?
!


Quasar92
 
Upvote 0

Quasar92

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 7, 2016
3,762
1,943
100
Lexington, KY 40517
Visit site
✟332,574.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 
Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Mar 13:24  But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 
Mar 13:25  And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. 
Mar 13:26  And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 


Luk 21:25  And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 
Luk 21:26  Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 
Luk 21:27  And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 


Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 


.


Yes, that's what the Scriptures say. However, none of which have a thing to do with the Sign of the Son of Man, which is the "wonderous Sign," of Rev.12:1-2, that appears in the sky once a year, on or around the summer equinox in late September, at the time of the Jewish holy day of Rosh Hoshanah as I have previously posted. Directly from a 3/5 year study by astronomers and Scientists in the early to mid 90's.


Quasar92
 
Upvote 0

Quasar92

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Aug 7, 2016
3,762
1,943
100
Lexington, KY 40517
Visit site
✟332,574.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
Matthew 24:29 shows the great tribulation ends first, the sun shall be darkened-the stars fall from heaven - and in verse 30 it tells that the sign of the Son of man appears and the tribes of the earth mourn. This mourning time is when the wicked will hide in the rocks. Isaiah 2:10-12 tells about it and
Jesus Christ told that He would be seen sitting on the right hand of power - and coming - 6th seal


Jesus returns with His armies from heaven and immediately fights the battle of Armageddon against the two beasts/the Antichrist, the False Prophet and the ten horns/nations allied with them. He will destroy the armies of the ten horns/nations and throw the Antichrist and the False Prophet into the lake of fire. That is when the seven year tribulation ends, as recorded in Rev.9:11-21.


Quasar92
 
Upvote 0

mark kennedy

Natura non facit saltum
Site Supporter
Mar 16, 2004
22,024
7,364
60
Indianapolis, IN
✟549,630.00
Faith
Calvinist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
Yes, I believe Jesus return will be on the shechinah cloud, also, However, the Great and Wonderous," sign in Rev.12:1-2 is a real astronomical one that appears in the sky, once a year, at the very time of Jesus birth, which is the sign of the Son of Man. Near the summer equinox, of late September, on the Jewish holy day of Rosh Hoshanah, as the 3/5 year study of astronomers and scientists have revealed. More about this study, plus explanatory pics can be found in the book, "The Star That Astonished The World," by Earnest L. Martin, PhD.


Quasar92
That seems unlikely since the sun, moon and stars have all gone dark. What I always found remarkable is there is no question who is doing this to them. They specifically say, the Lamb, one would wonder how they know to call him that.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: CuriousWes
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums