The Sabbath

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

There is no room for your concept Jesus requiring others to keep the law in in your selected out of context passage. Luke 16:16, John 1:17

Neither of your Scriptures prove your point in any way. Your implications are taken completely out of context. You are twisting Scripture for your own ends. Yeshua HIMSELF tells that man to keep the Commandments when he asks, yet you say it is out of context?

 

[Faith Alone 1 Cor 15:1-4]

You can praise God any day you want and how many times a week you want under grace (Colossians 2:16-17) .

 

[Dkh587]

You can praise God any day you want and how many times a week you want under grace (Colossians 2:16-17) .

While it's true that you can praise God whenever you want, that doesn't change the fact that the 7th day Sabbath is a commanded day of rest and gathering and worship.

 

[woobadooba]

While it's true that you can praise God whenever you want, that doesn't change the fact that the 7th day Sabbath is a commanded day of rest and gathering and worship.

They will not understand, because they do not want the truth. When they are willing to hear, then they will learn.

 

[Aseyesee]

If it is mandatory to rest on a day, is it mandatory to work the other six? being that the Sabbath cannot be kept as any other day, and any other day is not a Sabbath.

The acceptable year defines the Sabbath in all it's forms ... just as the spirit does in the form of a dove sent out from the ark (as to) where it finds its rest, which is the place the son of man finds to lay his head.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You can praise God any day you want and how many times a week you want under grace (Colossians 2:16-17) .

Of course you can. We had sacrifices and prayers on a daily basis in the Temple too. But again, the 7th day is THE Sabbath.

 

[Dkh587]

If it is mandatory to rest on a day, is it mandatory to work the other six? being that the Sabbath cannot be kept as any other day, and any other day is not a Sabbath.

The acceptable year defines the Sabbath in all it's forms ... just as the spirit does in the form of a dove sent out from the ark (as to) where it finds its rest, which is the place the son of man finds to lay his head.

God says to work 6 days a week. That's the model, modeled after God during the week of creation. Work 6 days, and rest on the 7th

Exodus 20:8-11

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work.
But the seventh day is the sabbath of יהוה thy God.
In it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates.
For in six days יהוה made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.
Wherefore יהוה blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Mark 2:27

And Yahushua said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

Peace & blessings

 

[Ken Rank]

The law addresses an action, not a non-action. "Do not murder" addresses the act of murder. God doesn't rush into a crowd of peaceful people yelling "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER!" He commands murderers to stop killing each other. So the antithesis, or opposite of murder is what the law, in it's fullness, actually intends in the spirit-led new covenant. How can that law, which deals with murder, promote it's antithesis with yet more murder?

This is a clumsy way of saying it but, the law is concerned with the act of murder, not the absence of murder, or non-murder. So what is the opposite of murder in the new covenant sense. Surely not simply abstaining from murder. If that were the case neither the new covenant or the Holy Spirit are necessary.

Actually no... if you knew a little Hebrew you would understand why the idea of "commandments" isn't even accurate. The Jews have known them as "the 10 words" since they were given. Why? Because they are statements of fact... more like, "You will not kill."

I am done with this thread, respectfully. Nothing against you there is just nothing here to discuss. I will leave you with this to consider....

God knew Adam would fall before He made Adam. I don't think He made him to fall but He knew he would fall. Everything God did from that point on.... was to bring us back to Him. The lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8).... the luminaries placed in the sky (Gen. 1:14) to be a clock, for signs, and for "moedim" or feasts (really "appointments" is a better word) long before the feasts were even kept. The significance? The feasts point to Yeshua and his work and thus the markers to know when the feasts would be were set in place on Day 4 of Creation... 2000 years before anyone kept a feast outside of Sabbath.

God continued to work to lead up to Messiah... and He made a promise to Abraham... which He extended to Isaac as an oath... and then to Jacob as a law... and then to Israel as "an EVERLASTING covenant." (Psalms 105:8-10) If the covenant is everlasting, then the word "new" can't be correct when it speak of the new covenant. That would make sense, right? Guess what? Jeremiah 31:31 .... the word for "new" is chadashah, it is the word chadash (to renew, make fresh) being used as an adjective. And in Hebrews 8:8 ..... we see the word for "new" as kainos. That word means "new in regards to FRESHNESS" and there is another word, nehos... which is "new in regards to age." It is kainos that appears in the Hebrews 8 passage that quotes Jeremiah 31. So it is a renewed covenant... the everlasting covenant renewed through Yeshua's blood. This is why the law moves from stone to the heart.... but it is the same law. The 10 words are the covenant (Deut. 4:13) and God commanded they be kept on the heart (Deut. 6:6) and they couldn't on their own... so God is doing this for us.... first promised in Deut. 30:1-6 and then many times in the OT. Paul speaks of circumcision of the heart... he is quoting and referencing Deut. 30.

 

[woobadooba]

God continued to work to lead up to Messiah... and He made a promise to Abraham... which He extended to Isaac as an oath... and then to Jacob as a law... and then to Israel as "an EVERLASTING covenant." (Psalms 105:8-10) If the covenant is everlasting, then the word "new" can't be correct when it speak of the new covenant. That would make sense, right? Guess what? Jeremiah 31:31 .... the word for "new" is chadashah, it is the word chadash (to renew, make fresh) being used as an adjective. And in Hebrews 8:8 ..... we see the word for "new" as kainos. That word means "new in regards to FRESHNESS" and there is another word, nehos... which is "new in regards to age." It is kainos that appears in the Hebrews 8 passage that quotes Jeremiah 31. So it is a renewed covenant... the everlasting covenant renewed through Yeshua's blood. This is why the law moves from stone to the heart.... but it is the same law. The 10 words are the covenant (Deut. 4:13) and God commanded they be kept on the heart (Deut. 6:6) and they couldn't on their own... so God is doing this for us.... first promised in Deut. 30:1-6 and then many times in the OT. Paul speaks of circumcision of the heart... he is quoting and referencing Deut. 30.

Insightful!

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Actually no... if you knew a little Hebrew you would understand why the idea of "commandments" isn't even accurate. The Jews have known them as "the 10 words" since they were given. Why? Because they are statements of fact... more like, "You will not kill."

I am done with this thread, respectfully. Nothing against you there is just nothing here to discuss. I will leave you with this to consider....

God knew Adam would fall before He made Adam. I don't think He made him to fall but He knew he would fall. Everything God did from that point on.... was to bring us back to Him. The lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8).... the luminaries placed in the sky (Gen. 1:14) to be a clock, for signs, and for "moedim" or feasts (really "appointments" is a better word) long before the feasts were even kept. The significance? The feasts point to Yeshua and his work and thus the markers to know when the feasts would be were set in place on Day 4 of Creation... 2000 years before anyone kept a feast outside of Sabbath.

God continued to work to lead up to Messiah... and He made a promise to Abraham... which He extended to Isaac as an oath... and then to Jacob as a law... and then to Israel as "an EVERLASTING covenant." (Psalms 105:8-10) If the covenant is everlasting, then the word "new" can't be correct when it speak of the new covenant. That would make sense, right? Guess what? Jeremiah 31:31 .... the word for "new" is chadashah, it is the word chadash (to renew, make fresh) being used as an adjective. And in Hebrews 8:8 ..... we see the word for "new" as kainos. That word means "new in regards to FRESHNESS" and there is another word, nehos... which is "new in regards to age." It is kainos that appears in the Hebrews 8 passage that quotes Jeremiah 31. So it is a renewed covenant... the everlasting covenant renewed through Yeshua's blood. This is why the law moves from stone to the heart.... but it is the same law. The 10 words are the covenant (Deut. 4:13) and God commanded they be kept on the heart (Deut. 6:6) and they couldn't on their own... so God is doing this for us.... first promised in Deut. 30:1-6 and then many times in the OT. Paul speaks of circumcision of the heart... he is quoting and referencing Deut. 30.

No problem. We'll part with our differences intact.

 

[Aseyesee]

The breaking of the commandment is inherent in the commandment, or there would be no need for a commandment.

 

[listed]

Neither of your Scriptures prove your point in any way. Your implications are taken completely out of context. You are twisting Scripture for your on ends. Yeshua HIMSELF tells that man to keep the Commandments when he asks, yet you say it is out of context?

I think you've only stated an opinion. If you'd kindly show me how my Scriptures are taken out of context and twisted, I'd appreciate it.

And yes your Matthew 19 is out of context and agreement with the OT, if you think Jesus is requiring the law to be kept.

 

[listed]

While it's true that you can praise God whenever you want, that doesn't change the fact that the 7th day Sabbath is a commanded day of rest and gathering and worship.

Commanded for who? Christians or the world? No.

 

[listed]

They will not understand, because they do not want the truth. When they are willing to hear, then they will learn.

Ditto

 

[listed]

God says to work 6 days a week. That's the model, modeled after God during the week of creation. Work 6 days, and rest on the 7th

Exodus 20:8-11


Mark 2:27


Peace & blessings

Neither of your passages indicate anything for all mankind. If Mark 2:27 does Jesus is saying Moses is wrong.

 

[listed]

Actually no... if you knew a little Hebrew you would understand why the idea of "commandments" isn't even accurate. The Jews have known them as "the 10 words" since they were given. Why? Because they are statements of fact... more like, "You will not kill."

I am done with this thread, respectfully. Nothing against you there is just nothing here to discuss. I will leave you with this to consider....

God knew Adam would fall before He made Adam. I don't think He made him to fall but He knew he would fall. Everything God did from that point on.... was to bring us back to Him. The lamb slain from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8).... the luminaries placed in the sky (Gen. 1:14) to be a clock, for signs, and for "moedim" or feasts (really "appointments" is a better word) long before the feasts were even kept. The significance? The feasts point to Yeshua and his work and thus the markers to know when the feasts would be were set in place on Day 4 of Creation... 2000 years before anyone kept a feast outside of Sabbath.

God continued to work to lead up to Messiah... and He made a promise to Abraham... which He extended to Isaac as an oath... and then to Jacob as a law... and then to Israel as "an EVERLASTING covenant." (Psalms 105:8-10) If the covenant is everlasting, then the word "new" can't be correct when it speak of the new covenant. That would make sense, right? Guess what? Jeremiah 31:31 .... the word for "new" is chadashah, it is the word chadash (to renew, make fresh) being used as an adjective. And in Hebrews 8:8 ..... we see the word for "new" as kainos. That word means "new in regards to FRESHNESS" and there is another word, nehos... which is "new in regards to age." It is kainos that appears in the Hebrews 8 passage that quotes Jeremiah 31. So it is a renewed covenant... the everlasting covenant renewed through Yeshua's blood. This is why the law moves from stone to the heart.... but it is the same law. The 10 words are the covenant (Deut. 4:13) and God commanded they be kept on the heart (Deut. 6:6) and they couldn't on their own... so God is doing this for us.... first promised in Deut. 30:1-6 and then many times in the OT. Paul speaks of circumcision of the heart... he is quoting and referencing Deut. 30.

What word should be used? Are you saying you're a linguist expert and fluent in Hebrew and Chaldean? There are 2 words chadashah or chadash. I think from my reference sources you're using an altered or alternate spelling. The word in question is much like the English word read. The word used in Jeremiah 31 is chadash (strong's # 2319). You're saying it's 2318 based on your desired meaning the text self defines otherwise. Verse 32 won't allow for your meaning. If you really want to argue the meaning of the word used, we can.

 

[listed]

Because we love God...we don't keep it for salvation. Yeshua is our salvation.

Personally I don't think you're being point blank honest. If you were the tone would be much different.

 

[listed]

If you commit adultery, do not honor your father/mother, you commit murder...do you sin? Now I have a way for forgiveness which we did not have before other than sacrifices.

Does that mean the law is altered? Wouldn't that be changing the jots and tittles of the law?

 

[listed]

Which are a condensation of the 10 Commandments...love God and love your neighbor. This involves DOING something, not just saying it. Matthew 25:31-40

Your reference has nothing to do with keeping the law.

 

[listed]

I answered

No. You responded with other subject matter. I asked you a direct question you refuse to answer because it puts you between a rock and a very hard place with no where to turn. If you answered the question it proves your argument fails.