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THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

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  1. LoveGodsWord

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    OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. Sin (breaking God's LAW) will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    Hope this helps.
     
  2. LoveGodsWord

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    Here are some interesting facts for those who may be interested...

    100 FACTS ABOUT THE SABBATH AND SUNDAY YOU MAY NOT KNOW.
    1. After working the first six days of the week in creating this earth, the great God rested on the seventh day. (Genesis 2:1.3.)
    2. This stamped that day as God's rest day, or Sabbath day, as Sabbath day means rest day. To illustrate: When a person is born on a certain day, that day thus becomes his birthday. So when God rested upon the seventh day, that day became His rest, or Sabbath, day.
    3. Therefore the seventh day must always be God's Sabbath day. Can you change your birthday from the day on which you were born to one on which you were not born? No. Neither can you change God's rest day to a day on which He did not rest. Hence the seventh day is still God's Sabbath day.
    4. The Creator blessed the seventh day. (Genesis 2:3.)
    5. He sanctified the seventh day. (Exodus 20:11.)
    6. He made it the Sabbath day in the Garden of Eden. (Genesis 2:1-3.)
    7. It was made before the fall; hence it is not a type; for types were not introduced till after the fall.
    8. Jesus says it was made for man (Mark 2:27), that is, for the race, as the word man is here unlimited; hence, for the Gentile as well as for the Jew.
    9. It is a memorial of creation. (Exodus 20:11; 31:17.) Every time we rest upon the seventh day, as God did at creation, we commemorate that grand event.
    10. It was given to Adam, the head of the human race. (Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3.)
    11. Hence through him, as our representative, to all nations. (Acts 17:26.)
    12. It is' not a Jewish institution, for it was made 2,300 years before ever there was a Jew.
    13. The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always "the Sabbath of the Lord thy God." Men should be cautious how they stigmatize God's holy rest day.
    14. Evident reference is made to the Sabbath and the seven-day week all, through the patriarchal age. (Genesis 2:l-3; 8:10,12; 29:27,28.etc.)
    15. It was a part of God's law before Sinai. (Exodus 16:4, 27-29.)
    16. Then God placed it in the heart of His moral law. (Exodus 20:1-17.) Why did He place it there if it was not like the other nine precepts, which all admit to be immutable?
    17. The seventh-day Sabbath was commanded by the voice of the living God. (Deuteronomy 4:12,13.)
    18. Then He wrote the commandment with His own finger. (Exodus 31:18.)
    19. He engraved it in the enduring stone, indicating its imperishable nature. (Deuteronomy 5:22.)
    20. It was sacredly preserved in the ark in the holy of holies. (Deuteronomy 10:1-5.)
    21. God forbade work upon the Sabbath, even in the most hurrying times. (Exodus 34:21.)
    22. God destroyed the Israelites in the wilderness because they profaned the Sabbath. (Ezekiel 20:12, 13.)
    23. It is the sign of the true God, by which we are to know Him from false gods. (Ezekiel 20:20.)
    24. God promised that Jerusalem should stand forever if the Jews would keep the Sabbath (Jeremiah 17:24, 25.)
    25. He sent them into the Babylonish captivity for breaking it. (Nehemiah 13:18.)
    26. He destroyed Jerusalem for its violation. (Jeremiah 17:27.)
    27. God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it. (Isaiah 56:6, 7.)
    28. This is in the prophecy, which refers wholly to the Christian dispensation. (See Isaiah 56.)
    29. God has promised to bless all who keep the Sabbath. (Isaiah 56:2.)
    30. The Lord requires us to call it "honourable". (Isaiah 58:13.) Beware, ye who take delight in calling it the. “old Jewish Sabbath,” “a yoke of bondage,” etc.
    31. After the holy Sabbath has been trodden down "many generations,” it is to be restored in the last days. (Isaiah 58:12,13.)
    32. All the holy prophets kept the seventh day.
    33. When the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life. (Luke 4:16; John 15:10.) Thus He followed His Father's example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son?
    34. The seventh day is the Lord's Day. (See Revelation 1:10; Mark 2:28; Isaiah 58:13; Exodus 20:10.)
    35. Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28), that is, to love and protect it, as the husband is the lord of the wife, to love and cherish her (1 Peter 3:6.)
    36. He vindicated the Sabbath as a merciful institution designed for man's good. (Mark 2:23-28.)
    37. Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, He carefully taught how it should be observed. (Matthew 12:1-13.)
    38. He taught His disciples that they should do nothing upon the Sabbath day but what was “lawful” (Matthew 12:12.)
    39. He instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection. (Matthew 24:20.)
    40. The pious women who had been with Jesus carefully kept the seventh day after His death. (Luke 23:56.)
    41. Thirty years after Christ's resurrection, the Holy Spirit' expressly calls it "the Sabbath day,"(Acts 13:14.)
    42. Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, called it the "Sabbath day" in A.D. 45. (Acts 13:27.) Did not Paul know? Or shall we believe modern teachers, who affirm that it ceased to be the Sabbath at the resurrection of Christ?
    43. Luke, the inspired Christian historian, writing as late as A.D. 62, calls it the "Sabbath day." (Acts 13:44.)
    44. The Gentile converts called it the Sabbath. (Acts 13:42.)
    45. In the great Christian council, A.D. 49, in the presence of the apostles and thousands of disciples, James calls it the "sabbath day." (Acts 15:21)
    46. It was customary to hold prayer meetings upon that day. (Acts 16:13.)
    47. Paul read the Scriptures in public meetings on that day. (Acts 17:2, 3.)
    48. It was his custom to preach upon that day. (Acts 17:2,3.)
    49. The Book of Acts alone gives a record of his holding eighty-four meetings upon that day. (See Acts 13:14, 44; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4. 11.)
    50. There was never any dispute between the Christians and the Jews about the Sabbath day. This is proof that the Christians still observed the same day that the Jews did.
    51. In all their accusations against Paul, they never charged him with disregarding the Sabbath day. Why did they not, if he did not keep it?
    52. But Paul himself expressly declared that he had kept the law. “Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all." Acts 25:8. How could this be true if he had not kept the Sabbath?
    53. The Sabbath is mentioned in the New Testament fifty-nine times, and always with respect, bearing the same title it had in the Old Testament, “the Sabbath day.”
    54. Not a word is said anywhere in the New Testament about the Sabbath's being abolished, done away, changed, or anything of the kind.
    55. God has never given permission to any man to work upon it. Reader, by what authority do you use - the seventh day for common labor?
    56. No Christian of the New Testament, either before or after the resurrection, ever did ordinary work upon the seventh day. Find one case of that kind, and we will yield the question. Why should modem Christians do differently from Bible Christians?
    57. There is no record that God has ever removed His blessing or sanctification from the seventh day.
    58. As the Sabbath was kept in Eden before the fall, so it will be observed eternally in the new earth after the restitution. (Isaiah 66:22, 23.)
    59. The seventh-day Sabbath was an important part of the law of God, as it came from His own mouth, and was written by His own finger upon stone at Sinai. (See Exodus 20.) When Jesus began His work, He expressly declared that He had not come to destroy the law. “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets.” Matthew 5:17
    60. Jesus severely condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites for pretending to love God, while at the same tune they made void one of the Ten Commandments by their tradition. The keeping of Sunday is only a tradition of men.
    40 Bible Facts Concerning the First Day of the Week
    1. The very first thing recorded In the Bible is work done on Sunday, the first day of the week. (Genesis l: l-5.) The Creator Himself did this. If God made the earth on Sunday, can it be wicked for us to work on Sunday?
    2. God commands men to work upon the first day of the week. (Exodus 20.8-11.) Is it wrong to obey God?
    3. None of the patriarchs ever kept it.
    4. None of the holy prophets ever kept it.
    5. By the express command of-God, His holy people used the first day of the week as a common working day for 4,000 years, at least.
    6. God Himself calls it a "working" day. (Ezekiel 46:1.)
    7. God did not rest upon it.
    8. He never blessed it.
    9. Christ did not rest upon it.
    10. Jesus was a carpenter (Mark 6:3), and worked at His trade until He was thirty years old. He kept the Sabbath and worked six days in the week, as all admit. Hence He did many a hard day’s work on Sunday.
    11. The apostles worked upon it during the same time.
    12. The apostles never rested upon it.
    13. Christ never blessed it.
    14. It has never been blessed by any divine authority.
    15. It has never been sanctified.
    16. No law was ever given to enforce the keeping of it, hence it is no transgression to work upon it. “Where no law is, there is no transgression.” Romans 4:15 (See also 1 John 3:4.)
    17. The New Testament nowhere forbids work to be done on it.
    18. No penalty is provided for its violation.
    19. No blessing is promised for its observance.
    20. No regulation is given as to how it ought to be observed. Would this be so if the Lord wished us to keep it?
    21. It is never called the Christian Sabbath.
    22. It is never called the Sabbath day at all.
    23. It is never called the Lord’s day.
    24. It is never called even a rest day.
    25. No sacred title whatever is applied to it. Then why should we call it holy?
    26. It is simply called “first day of the week.”
    27. Jesus never-mentioned it in any way, never took its name upon His lips, so far as the record shows.
    28. The word Sunday never occurs in the Bible at all.
    29. Neither God, Christ, nor inspired men ever said one word in favor of Sunday as a holy day.
    30. The first day of the week is mentioned only eight times in all the New Testament. (Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1, 19; Acts 20:7; 1 Corinthians 16:2.)
    31. Six of these texts refer to the same first day of the week.
    32. Paul directed the saints to look over their secular affairs on that day. (1Corinthians 16:2.)
    33. In all the New Testament we have a record of only one religious meeting held upon that day, and even this was a night meeting. (Acts 20:5-12.)
    34. There is not intimation that they ever held a meeting upon it before or after that.
    35. It was not their custom to meet on that day.
    36. There was no requirement to break bread on that day.
    37. We have an account of only one instance in which it was done. (Acts 20:7.)
    38. That was done in the night-after midnight. (Verses 7-11.) Jesus celebrated it on Thursday evening (Luke 22), and the disciples sometimes did it every day (Acts 2:42-46.)
    39. The Bible nowhere says that the first day of the week commemorates the resurrection of Christ. This is a tradition of men, which contradicts the law of God. (Matthew 15:1-9.) Baptism commemorates the burial and resurrection of Jesus. (Romans 6:3-5.)
    40. Finally, the New Testament is totally silent with regard to any change of the Sabbath day or any sacredness for the first day.

    Here are one hundred plain Bible facts upon this question, showing conclusively that the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord in both the Old and New Testament.*

    *Reprinted from a tract published by the Review and Herald Publishing Association about the year 1885.
     
  3. ace of hearts

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    First of all there's no mention of eternal law in the Scripture. You've made up something that isn't true.

    Secondly it's amazing that you can do no better than paste something you already posted.

    Thirdly it's also amazing you can post keeping the law is a requirement when you also reference Eph 2 which says not of yourselves (works of the law) emphasized by verse 9.

    Fourthly it's amazing the you post Rev 22:14 gloating about your rights by your amended law keeping.
    Sorry but It's God's word that disagrees with you, not me.

    Jn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    Jn 10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

    2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

    3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

    5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

    6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

    7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

    8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

    9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

    10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

    12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

    If you don't find anything that speaks to you in the above it's not my problem. The law isn't the door we must go through.
    These partial out of context references and deleted words in them mean nothing.
    Yes they do.
    Nothing but an out of context quote to by-pass Jesus Christ the Righteous to prove a false teaching about keeping the law. It's also proof you don't believe Jesus issued the law at Sinai.
    The gift is life and not condemnation and death.
    Your right about entering through the a door. Problem is you've got the wrong door. The law isn't the door as you require.
    No it's you that's confused. You say this Eph 2:8 and preach something else - namely doing the works of the law. Your claim is we must fulfil the law ourselves. Problem is the Scripture says no one does including you. Ps 14:3.
    Your fear mongering has no effect on me and hopefully others who read your double minded posts. Many understand after years of trying they simply can't meet your standards and lose all hope.
    Who are you talking about here? Are you talking about people like me who's only sin according to you isn't keeping the 4th commandment? BTW a double minded man doesn't necessarily live a wicked lifestyle as you seem to imply. Not keeping the 4th commandment isn't serving mammon. Self righteousness scores no points with God. Keeping the law to not sin is self righteousness.
    No it isn't -

    Jn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
    No you haven't addressed Jesus Christ the Righteous in verse 1.
     
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    Yes I've got a hard copy from SDA as a gift, thank you. It's absurd beyond belief.
     
  5. LoveGodsWord

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    Not really, it is God's WORD and you cannot answer it can you. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *JAMES 2:10-11. Does this not worry you?
     
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    Well that is not true. Sorry brother these are God's WORD not mine and they disagree with you...

    GOD'S LAW (TEN COMMANDMENTS) ARE INDEED ETERNAL

    PSALMS 119:142-143 Your righteousness is an EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and Your law is truth. Trouble and anguish have overtaken me, yet Your commandments are my delights.

    PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

    PSALMS 119:160 All your words are true; ALL YOUR RIGHTEOUS LAWS ARE ETERNAL.

    ECCLESIASTES 3:14, I know that, WHATSOEVER GOD DOES, IT SHALL BE FOREVER: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.

    EXODUS 32:16, And THE TABLES WERE THE WORK OF GOD, AND THE WRITING WAS THE WRITING OF GOD, graven on the tables.

    ISAIAH 40:8 [8], The grass wither, the flower fades: but THE WORD OF THE LORD OF OUR GOD SHALL ENDURE FOREVER.

    EXODUS 20:1-17 GOD SPOKE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE GOD'S WORD (v1)

    1 PETER 1:25, But THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD]. And this is the word which by the GOSPEL [GOOD NEWS] is preached unto you.

    LUKE 21:33, Heaven and earth shall pass away: BUT MY WORDS SHALL NOT PASS AWAY [EVERLASTING WORD OF GOD].

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Only done so here because you are repeating yourself without addressing the posts and the scriptures that disagree with you. You have ignored the scriptures and the post you were quoting from to provide your own words over God's WORD. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear.
    This is simply sad for you now, Please post a link anywhere in this forum where I have ever posted we have to keep the law for salvation? OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (10 Commandments) is the fruit of FAITH that work by LOVE in those who are BORN AGAIN *ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JOHN 14:15; JOHN 3:15-21 and is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. All who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son to continue in known unrepentant sin *ROMANS 6:23.
    REVELATIONS 22:14 also posted with REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12 as well as 1 JOHN 2:1-4 and 1 JOHN 3:3-10 are only posted from God's WORD to show who God's people are according to the scriptures. Nothing more as your claiming. Yep it is God's WORD describes who who is people are and they are God's WORDS not mine.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    None of the scriptures you have posted here disagree with me and nothing you have posted here addresses anything in the post and the scriptures that disagree with you which was..

    God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) has the same role that it always had and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT if we break ANY ONE of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before GOD of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 Commandments *EXODUS 20:8-11 that give is the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken.
    No one said that it was. CHRIST is the DOOR and we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW him. You cannot BELIEVE GOD without FOLLOWING him. The same as you cannot enter through an open door without walking through it. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Hmm more of your words over God's WORD, who should we BELIEVE?

    GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

    There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

    EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

    [12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

    GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

    God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

    ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

    God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

    ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

    COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

    ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

    The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

    EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

    and again...

    JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Paul proclaims it here...

    HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

    If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

    ............

    CONCLUSION: God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

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    Hope this helps
     
  10. LoveGodsWord

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    I will just add what you are responding to again here. LGW said; No one is BELIEVING Gods WORD if they do not follow it. The DEVILS BELIEVE and tremble *JAMES 2:19 but they will not be going to Heaven. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

    Are you saying that we can BELIEVE GOD without following God like the devils and still enter God's Kingdom and God's WORD teaches lawlessness?

    Actually nope. You are not considering the context that you are leaving out of what your are posting. Let's have a look at the scriptures and why it is 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is talking about the 10 commandments. The CONTEXT is the first two verses which say...

    1 JOHN 2:1-2
    [1], My little children, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
    [2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    NOTE: The CONTEXT and reson why JOHN is writting this epistle is what? v1 THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. It goes on to say if any man sin we have an advocate with the father. This leads us into v3-4

    [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
    [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM .

    NOTE: So the reason for JOHN'S epistle is that THAT WE SIN NOT v1. Then in v3-4 it says

    HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

    Now notice carefully what Commandments in God's WORD are associated with sin if broken or another way of asking the same question would be what is sin because the reason why JOHN is writting his epistle is that we sin not.

    WHAT IS SIN

    JAMES 2:8-12
    [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

    Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to our neighbor in v11

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    1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

    John is saying the same thing as James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context shortly which give the example in v15 of MURDER God's 6th Command of the 10.

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    ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

    Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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    ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

    Context is v9; both Jew and Greek ALL under SIN, v10 None are righteous no not one, v11 None seek after God, v12 All have gone out of the way, there is none that does good [χρηστότης means MORAL excellence]. v13-18 Peace they have not known, destruction is in their way; they do not fear God. Now the CONTEXT is there is none that do GOOD which is in reference to χρηστότης MORAL excellence. Now let's look at v19-20

    ROMANS 3:19-21
    [19] Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    Context is no one does good χρηστότης MORAL excellence. God's LAW (10 Commandments) are the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    PSALMS 119:172 [172], My tongue shall speak of your word: for all your commandments are righteousness [צדק; tsedeq means; the right natural, moral or legal; also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity: - X even, (X that which is altogether) just (-ice), ([un-]) right (-eous) (cause, -ly, -ness)].

    RIGHTEOUSNESS צדק; tsedeq in God's LAW is the standard of χρηστότης; MORAL excellence

    The CONTEXT then is doing GOOD in reference to God's LAW (10 Commandments) v19 that is defines SIN and makes all the world guilty before GOD.

    [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

    No one is justified by God's LAW which is the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS [Moral excellence and Good] because if broken it gives us a KNOWLEDGE of sin. Already defined in James as breaking any of God's 10 Commandments.

    [21], But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

    God's LAW is the standard of RIGHTOEUSNESS (Psalms 119:172) MORAL EXCELLENCE standard of what is GOOD. The RIGHTOUENESS of GOD outside of the LAW being witnessed by the LAW and the prophets v22 which is by FAITH in Christ; WHY? v23 because ALL HAVE SINNED broken God's LAW. v24-28 we are only made righteous by faith in Christ without the deeds of the law. v31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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    CONCLUSION: PAUL, JAMES and JOHN all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN. All three use example of breaking the 10 Commandments as what defines sin. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 tells us that the reason for JOHNS epistle in v1 is THAT WE SIN NOT. God's WORD defines SIN as BREAKING any of God's 10 Commandments. Therefore brother with CONTEXT added back in the commandments JOHN is referring to that we SIN (breaking God's 10 commandments) is the 10 Commandments.

    Hope this helps.

    PS. Which ever way you want to spin it, if you want to say it's love or believing in Jesus I can still show you that everything leads back OBEDIENCE to God's 10 commandments through faith in God's WORD that works by LOVE. If your interested just ask me to show you the scriptures.
     
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    INDEED it is for all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN however will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    Not at all. No one said God's LAW is the door you are confused. CHRIST is the DOOR and we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW him. You cannot BELIEVE what GOD says without doing what God says. The same as you cannot enter through an open door without walking through it. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    Well that statement has no truth in it and I have never said any such things. Salvation is God's WORK in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD *PHILIPPIANS 1:6; PHILIPPIANS 2:13. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    The posts provided to you brother are only God's WORD. There is no fear mongering in these scriptures except to those who are not following them.

    Realizing that we are all sinners and that there is nothing that we can do to save ourselves is the very first step in meeting the Saviour and the purpose of God's LAW *GALATIANS 3:22-25.

    MATTHEW 9:12-13
    [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said to them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
    [13], But go you and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    Have you ever wondered why all the Gospels are full of stories of JESUS healing all manner of sickness? These are object lessons to teach as that we are all SICK with SIN like the old paralitic who could not walk we are all paralized with SIN; If JESUS says to us ARISE take up your bed and walk. I BELIEVE him how about you? We cannot have salvation unless we see our need of salvation and cry out like those before us who knew their need of Christs healing. God's LAW shows us our need of his salvation so we can cry out like all the sick before us JESUS save us.

    JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

    OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in SINNERS who cannot save themselves as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

    Hope this helps.
     
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    If we have FAITH and FOLLOW God's WORD we indeed have everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's LAW) will keep all those who practice it out of God's KINGDOM because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. Once again OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. Those who are still in their SINS do not KNOW God and need to be BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

    Hope this helps.
     
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    Yes I can. The problem is it's so full or error I don't want to embarrass you. But if you demand I will.
     
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    Interesting list of passages. I suppose you quoted a version that says what you want.

    I don't believe your verses are correctly translated. The version you took them from is more like a commentary.

    What did catch my eye was Ps 119:160 and 172. Neither say the law is forever. If they did Jeremiah is lying. You just pit the Scripture against itself destroying it's credibility. You have a quote source you just don't believe in entirety.

    In regard to the phrase "shall not pass" my lawyer said you can't unring a bell. I totally agree with that. But you can change the rules. God promised by Jeremiah and did through Jesus Christ the Righteous.

    I know you'll run your list of evil works (sins). Please filter them through -

    LK 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

    and -

    Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    Then we can deal with what is left over.
     
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    I've responded to your repeated c&p stuff more than once. I will say again you're promoting works of the law for righteousness (known as self righteousness). For you Jesus isn't enough. The wages of sin (disobedience) is death. You keep repeating stuff about unrepentant sin. You must not know what that is, because you're guilty. The law condemns you. And it's specifically the 4th you holler about.
    I don't need to when you post the above over and over. You've been quoted the appropriate passages and ignore them.
    Yes I know them pretty well. I also know what you're trying to do with them. I've addressed every one of them except Rev 12:17. My comments about 14:12 will do for it.
     
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    Sorry but Jn 5:24 says nothing about the law. Jn 10 says very clearly Jesus is the Door and you say the law is the door. So yes both of those passages disagree with you.
    The law has no effect nor purpose for a dead man or one raised to newness of life in Jesus Christ. The soul is recreated and doesn't inherit from Adam.
    Then do as Jesus taught. Keep His commandments and not His Father's commandments - Jn 15:10. No they're not the same. Jesus didn't take possession of His Father's commandments, He kept them.
     
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    We should believe all God's Word, not you as you're trying very hard to make converts (disciples of you).
     
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    Yes and Amen!! But you claim Christians are Israel.
    Let's take a peek at more of the chapter to establish truth.

    11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

    12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

    13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

    14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

    15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

    18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

    19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

    22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    Not one positive thing about the law being required and not fellow citizens of Israel.
    Nothing about the law or being part of Israel.
    The passage you quote above testify against you.
    Please note the descendants of Abraham aren't the children of God according to the red highlight in your quote.
    You really destroy your own argument posting these passages.
    Why aren't you also quoting the rest of your reference as if I didn't know?
    Paul also says we are now delivered from the law. He also says to throw the law out. And in the next chapter says those who turn/return to the law void their salvation. Its all been referenced and quoted to you.
    Half truths are full lies.
    Your conclusion is in error.
     
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    What I said went right over your head so fast you didn't even know it.
     
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