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The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?

Discussion in 'Sabbath and The Law' started by Heart2Soul, Jan 4, 2018.

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  1. Soyeong

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    It is good to worship God every day and this was true even the OT, but we can't worship God by refusing to submit to His command to keep the Sabbath on the 7th day.
     
  2. Heart2Soul

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    This thread was created to learn what the Bible says to do in order to gain understanding for the purpose of taking what I have learned back to a family member who thinks I will not go to heaven because I am breaking the Sabbath Law by not going to church on Satuday. I did a lot of web surfing and finally my final research is to ask those here at the CF....as far as worship, daily I give Him praise and worship!
     
  3. Soyeong

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    I do not think that God would have been pleased if the builders of the temple had taken the attitude that God just wanted a temple, so they could feel free to build in in whatever way they wanted, and God should be happy with what He gets. Likewise, do not think that God would be pleased with people taking the attribute that that God just wanted us to take one day off a week, so we can set aside any day we want, and God should be happy with what He gets. Rather, He commanded the Sabbath on the 7th day because that is what He wanted and the bottom line is whether we are going to do what is right in our own eyes or whether we are going to have faith in God about which day to set aside, and whether we are going to take the attribute that we can love God in whatever way we want and God should be happy with what He gets or whether we are going to seek to love God in the way that He wants to be loved.
     
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  4. Heart2Soul

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    I meant to say Saturday not Sunday
     
  5. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    it is not about that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to Church on Sunday, it was the day The Master rose!
     
  6. Soyeong

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    There is nothing wrong with a tradition of going to church on Sunday if you so choose, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't also obey God's command to keep the Sabbath on Saturday. In Mark 7:6-9, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions, so we should be careful not to fall under that same criticism.
     
  7. Soyeong

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    There are many verses that speak about God's Law as being instructions for how to walk in His ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-13 and Joshua 22:5, so they are instructions to God's followers for how to reflect His attributes, not instructions for how to act like Jews. For example, in 1 Peter 1:13-16, we are not told to have a holy conduct in order to be more like Jews, but because God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions about how to have a holy conduct, so following those instructions is about acting in accordance and reflecting the holiness of our God. Having a holy conduct straightforwardly involves keeping the Sabbath holy (Leviticus 19:1-3). The Bible says that is is a sin to break the Sabbath and it instructs to correct those who are caught in sin, not to refrain from judging them.
     
  8. Soyeong

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    It is true that we are under a New Covenant, which is different from the Old Covenant, but we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same ways and with therefore the same instructions for how to walk in His ways. So the difference between the Old and New Covenants is not in regard to God's eternal holiness changing or the eternal way to act in accordance with His holiness changing. The Greek word "ekklesia" is translated as "church" and is used many times in the Septuagint to refer to Israel, so there is no distinction between the church and Israel. Jesus rose on the Feast of Firstfruits as the firstfruits from the dead in keeping its theme.
     
  9. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Salvation is ONLY through Yeshua!
     
  10. mark kennedy

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    I thought I would mention, there was a sabbath rest for the land every seven years. The length of the Babylonian captivity coincide with the sabbath rests for the land they had neglected. Reading that is what inspired Danial to pray that wonderful prayer in Danial 9.

    Also the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. The mentality that would make a day off work some special meritorious work is truly asinine. I know I've given some thought to following it, just do no work and maybe through a roast on the grill so I don't have to cook. I certainly don't feel any compulsion, why would we ever want to complicate something intended as a gift. I know the Westminster confession went so far as to forbid sports on Sunday. The movie Chariots of Fire was the story of an Olympiad who refused to compete on Sunday. The sabbath rest is faith, check out Hebrews 3 sometime, the Holy Spirit speaks directly to this issue in no uncertain terms saying I swore in my wrath they would not enter my rest. The reason was unbelief and by the way, they wanted to kill the believers.
     
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  11. Monna

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    Where I live, the week starts on Monday, (yes, officially, and on all calendars) so I guess worshiping on the 7th day (Sunday) is OK. ;)
    But Saturday is also a "holy day" and for a lot of people it is also a day off. Then we masses of other holy days, some of which are free of work for many people, some not.

    Personally, I think one of the things Christ did by simply coming to live and die among us, was to sanctify a lot of ordinary things. By being born a human, he showed us exactly how God wanted to be known, and thereby he sanctified the body, which many other philosophies and religions despise as base and evil. His bodily resurrection confirmed the importance of our bodies in his view - they are the temple of the Holy Spirit. He chose a simple meal of bread and wine with his friends to commemorate his death for us, and asked us to remember him every time we do something similar, thereby sanctifying the mealtime with friends and 'family.' And he made every day holy by doing the will of the Father. We are called upon to be living sacrifies for him, and to likewise make everyday holy.

    As to the idea of having a rest day, it makes sense from every way you look at it. It's good for us. There are different ways to rest. One is to spend extra time with other people worshiping the Lord. But we can worship him, and should worship him, daily. And continuous rest in his grace and faithfulness. This kind of resting is not necessarily doing nothing, or sitting/standing in a church making a joyful noise, and then sitting through a sermon.
     
  12. Almost there

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    I mean it is the seventh day and we call it Saturday in English speaking countries.
     
  13. Daniel Marsh

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    Give Hebrews 7 a read.

    I will take a vow or

    Ellen White answer to question is "who is a false prophet?"

    Did I get the game show right?


    Ellen White Quotes

    The Bible itself does not say the Mark of the Beast is Sunday Worship of Jesus.

    Criticism of the Strange Belief that there are Living Beings on the Planet Saturn
     
  14. Daniel Marsh

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    "In her early career Mrs. White made a number of predictions about Christ's imminent return. The most notable of those was a specific prediction made at a conference of believers in 1856. This statement was later published in the book Testimonies and received widespread attention within the SDA Church. Mrs. White claimed she was shown in vision that some of those present at the 1856 conference would be translated:



    I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: "Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus." (Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 131)



    Analysis
    A Failed Prophecy?
    Mrs. White was given a vision showing the fate of those people attending the conference. She specifically states that some of them will suffer the seven last plagues, and some will be alive when Jesus returns. The Whites had such confidence in this "vision" that it was published in Mrs. White's Testimonies to the Church and received widespread distribution. However, by the early 1900s all those who attended the conference had passed away, leaving the Church with the dilemma of trying to figure out how to explain away such a prominent prophetic failure.

    The Bible leaves no doubt that when a prophet makes a prediction that does not come to pass, that prophet is not speaking for the Lord:

    When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22"
    An Analysis of the Most Shocking and Embarrassing Statements of Ellen G. White

    There are many other errors of visions and false prophecies at the above link.
     
  15. ViaCrucis

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    The Sabbath was instituted by God through Moses for Israel, as the seventh day, which was to be honored by abstaining from work--this abstaining from work included many things, even beasts of burden were to rest on this day in the land of Israel.

    Sunday is not the Sabbath, Sunday is the Lord's Day, the day on which the Church has continued to recognize weekly in honor of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus.

    The earliest Christians were Jews, and continued to gather for worship at the local synagogue on the Sabbath as was Jewish custom in the first century; but would also meet together early on the first day of the week for the breaking of bread (the Lord's Supper), prayer, and fellowship as Christians. With the influx of Gentile converts and the rejection of Jewish Christians from the synagogue ultimately led to Christian worship being altogether done in early morning on the first day of the week. The ancient Roman historian Pliny the Younger, writing to the emperor Trajan, speaks of the Christians who

    "were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god" (Letter of Pliny the Younger to the Emperor Trajan, 10.96, c. 100 AD)

    and St. Justin Martyr himself writes in his defense of the Christian addressed to Emperor Antonius Pious and the Roman Senate,

    "And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons." (St. Justin Martyr, First Apology ch. 67, c. 150 AD)

    Christian worship, historically, is on the first day of the week, which was called the Lord's Day by Christians, but was on the Roman reckoning known as the day of the sun or Sun's Day--Sunday (just as the seventh day of the week was known by the Romans as the day of Saturn, or Saturn's Day--Saturday).

    The Sabbath, as part of the Torah given to the Jews, was not regarded as binding on Christians, especially Gentile Christians; as we see in Acts ch. 15 that the rule of the Jerusalem Council was that Gentiles were under no obligation to observe the Torah as Jews, but were only to abstain from Pagan practices such as consuming blood.

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  16. Kristen Davis

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    In Exodus Chapter 20 one of the commandments said remember the Sabbath day (Sunday) and keep it holy. The Sabbath day represents Sunday the beginning of a new week where everyone dedicates the day to serving the lord in church or some sort of religious sanctuary.
     
  17. Daniel Marsh

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  18. Danthemailman

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    Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

    *Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

    Even when Sabbatarians set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

    If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

    These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

    If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

    If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

    Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
     
  19. Soyeong

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    If you look at Colossians 2:16 by itself, then it is ambiguous as to whether Paul was saying not to let anyone judge them for keeping God's holy day or for not keeping them, but if we look at the context of the views of the people judging them and well as keep in mind the broader theme that we must obey God rather than man, then it becomes clear:

    Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

    Paul would never have described those teaching people to obey the holy, righteous, and good Law of our God in accordance with Christ's example as taking people captive by philosophy and empty deceit according to human tradition and not according to Christ. He went into more details about what these elemental spirits of the world are later in the chapter:

    Colossians 2:20-23 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21 “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22 (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

    So the Colossians were keeping God's holy days in obedience to God's commands, they were being judged by those teaching human traditions and precepts, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, and Paul was writing to encourage them not to let any man keep them from obeying God.

    Again, it is good to make a distinction between what is said about man's opinion and about the commands of God. The issue being discussed in the chapter is stated in the first verse, namely that it is in regard to how to handle disputes of human opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow His commands. So nothing in the chapter in the chapter should be interpreted as being in favor of disobeying the God that we serve and nothing in the chapter even spoke about whether we should obey God's command to keep the Sabbath.

    In Romans 14:5-6, it is speaking about those who were eating unto the Lord or refraining from eating, so it is speaking about fasting. As a matter of opinion, it had become a common practice to fast twice a week or to commemorate certain events, those who esteemed those days for fasting were judging those who did not, they were in turn being resented, and this is exactly the sort of judging each other over opinions that Paul was seeking to quell. We aren't to keep the Sabbath because man esteemed it, but because God esteemed it, blessed it, made it holy, and command His followers to keep it.
     
  20. PeaceJoyLove

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    From Adam to Moses, no seventh day sabbath was kept (nor required by God) by anyone considered to be righteous.

    The sabbath rest is a place you enter into, and remain...a spiritual truth, inwardly.
     
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