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Featured The role of demons in the Florida high school shooting

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by Mark Corbett, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. Andrew Jeremiah

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    Whether you know this or not, but "demons" "evil-spirits" etc., all originate in man. These "demons" are attitudes. Human attitudes. They are not fallen angels, or another class of beings God may have created, but this is not true. There are only three spirits the gift of the discerning of spirits can detect. This gift allows the person exercising it to know the source of spiritual activity, and there are only three spirits the gift can discern:

    1. The spirit of angels (Fallen and Elect)
    2. The spirit of man
    3. The Spirit of God.

    These are the only beings in creation.

    "Demons" are human "attitudes" - good or evil. And yes, Jesus had to die for the evil attitudes of His Elect people. Angelic beings nor Lucifer are responsible for this killing.
    The blame lay in the sin-ful, un-regenerated, unsaved, non-Covenant youngster that committed this crime.

    Yes, Christians can still have "bad" or "evil-" attitudes.
     
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  2. Followers4christ

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    That's not very biblical.

    When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes,c two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way...... The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.” He said
    d to them, “Go!” So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. (Read Matthew 8:28-34)
     
  3. Followers4christ

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    Not saying he is demon possessied or anything cause God only knows but this is kinda interesting:

    Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old who confessed to the deadly Florida school shooting, allegedly heard demonic voices telling him to carry out the rampage.

    Cruz, the teenager accused in the fatal shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, allegedly told investigators that he heard voices in his head instructing him how to carry out the deadly attack, ABC News reports. Law enforcement described the voices as “demons".

    Nikolas Cruz Reportedly Heard 'Demonic' Voices Urging Him Into Florida School Shooting
     
  4. Stormy

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    I would like to blame it on a demon. Who knows... Maybe

    The evil seems unhuman, that's for sure. I hope that they can talk to him and try to understand. Find out why.. If there is an answer.

    I keep going back to the idea that the mind is little more than a computer. As such it can be programmed and taken over. Possibly by demons, or even worse demonic humans.

    Taking away guns is on the agenda, what better way then thru our children. Just a wild thought ...but
     
  5. RisenInJesus

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    It is interesting that just about all those who have gone on shooting rampages at schools have also been using prescription psychiatric drugs. So whether it is these powerful (and dangerous) drugs themselves or the possibility that they cause the person's minds to be susceptible to demons, either way the connection is concerning.

    36 School shooters/school related violence committed by those under the influence of psychiatric drugs
    School Shooters & Stabbings Committed by those on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International
     
  6. R. Hartono

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    A man possessed by demon could not possibly loaded his guns with ammo and then drive to school to kill people. Instead if he is possessed he would roll on the ground with bubbles from his mouth.
     
  7. R. Hartono

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    A man possessed by demon cannot possibly prepare his guns and ammo and then drive to school to shoot, he couldnt even aim any guns as his consciousness will be gone and demon speaks from his mouth instead of him.

    Its just an excuse to avoid jail and to rcv treatment at mental hospital.
     
  8. Celticroots

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    Demons had nothing to do with why the shooter did what he did. The shooting happened because the perpetrator was a sick person who never got the proper mental health treatment.
     
  9. Celticroots

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    A mental health “professional” who claims that voices are caused by demons and are not a symptom of Schizophrenia should not be practicing.

    I can’t believe someone like him would only add to the stigma surrounding mental illness.
     
  10. cfdude

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    Do demons exist in your world?
     
  11. cfdude

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    Thanks for sharing your experience. The reality of the darkness is so stark sometimes. Many people have been spared from it but also surely deluded by it.

    I personally knew a murderer, who years later, disclosed that a voice had been heard telling them to murder. This always bothered me and when I became a Christian it made sense biblically (Mark 5:7-9). I was told the voice had groomed the individual to become a murderer from a young age. This person loves evil, lying, stealing, perversions and mischief without repentance. The demon was not blamed at all, surprisingly, it was just part of the explanation why the person chose to murder and not as a justification.

    In another one of my experiences, a person who manifested a demon to me, afterwards told me that they knew it was an evil demon but that they liked it. That person, to me, was beyond help, at least at that time, because you have to want to be saved from the darkness. I prayed for them but there was a love for the evil and sinful desires it provoked in them. What I witnessed was so incredible. The hair on my body stood on end. I don't care if anybody believes me. I know what happened.

    I suspect that kid who murdered those people in FL is much like that same person I had been approached by. Some are so attracted to darkness. I will never know why. I fear the Lord and never want to go to hell. Praise Jesus for saving us who seek to be saved. Yes, demons are very real and yes the person who obeys them is culpable. The demon also manifests sickness and disease according to scripture. So, saying mental illness was the cause just doesn't go far enough sometimes.
     
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  12. Followers4christ

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    That's not backed up biblically. Let's look at the possession of Judas as we can see from the scripture below he did not roll around with bubbles from his mouth but he intentionally talked to the priest and handed Jesus over.


    Luke 22:3-6 Then Satan entered Judas, called Iscariot, one of the Twelve. And Judas went to the chief priests and the officers of the temple guard and discussed with them how he might betray Jesus. They were delighted and agreed to give him money. He consented, and watched for an opportunity to hand Jesus over to them when no crowd was present.

    John 6:70-71 Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!” (He meant Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot, who, though one of the Twelve, was later to betray him.)

    To understand demonic possession here is a useful article:

    What does the Bible say about demon possession / demonic possession?
     
  13. R. Hartono

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    That is not a possession, thats the same when the devil tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. Judas plan was to tell the sanhedrin where Jesus was, he didnt think of killing Jesus but he was tempted to exchange his information for money.
     
  14. Francis Drake

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    There is no biblical evidence to support that demons and evil spirits all originate in man.
    Evil human attitudes and activity can certainly be inspired by demons, or can welcome demons to enter.
    Either way, repentance is needed and the demon must then be cast out, just as Jesus commanded. If not cast out, the demon will remain to corrupt that man's thinking and actions.
    Apart from confused, this is unbiblical.

    For the last 40 years I have been casting demons, or evil spirits out of people. The result has been a complete transformation of that person with huge spiritual freedom and an eradication of demonic voices.
    I can vouch, not only from scripture, but personal experience that these spirits are separate evil spiritual entities with a life of their own.
    If they were nothing but bad attitudes, the Lord would not have described them as being able to enter into other beings.
     
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  15. Followers4christ

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    That's not with the scripture tells us. The Bible never said that satan entered Eve as we see in the story of Judas. Plus let's remember Jesus after the possession of Judas, Jesus says "Yet one of you is a devil!”. None of this is in the story of Adam and Eve.
     
  16. sdowney717

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    Not all demonic activity is extremely physically violent.
    there is something called doctrines of demons.
    Demons vary in personality just as people do.

    When people refuse to repent and believe, they show thay are under the influence of the devil, to them the gospel is hidden their minds blinded by the god of this world, satan,

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/15/religion-democratic-party-abortion-brunch/

    Read 2 Corinthians 4
    3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing,

    4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

    5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.

    6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

    God has chosen whom He will shine His light out from within their new transformed hearts, seeing He has made them born of God. Satan can not prevent that from happening, the will of God, but he does try.


    v3 and v4 and v6 have a lot of doctrinal meat which many miss.
     
  17. iEye

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    According to the political scientist Michael Barkun, conspiracy theories rely on the view that the universe is governed by design, and embody three principles: nothing happens by accident, nothing is as it seems, and everything is connected.[4] Another common feature is that conspiracy theories evolve to incorporate whatever evidence exists against them, so that they become, as Barkun writes, a closed system that is unfalsifiable, and therefore "a matter of faith rather than proof".[5][6]

    Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling.—Acts 16:16
     
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  18. R. Hartono

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    If people possessed by demon they have no control over their action anymore, Jesus called Judas a devil because he betrayed the Messiah with his intention to make money, didnt mean Judas was possessed by demon but the demon tempted him to betray Jesus, as the devil did tempted Eve to betray God.

    These are some examples of people possessed by demon, they hv no control over their action !
    Matt 17:15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatic, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

    Mark 5:5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones

    If people allow their heart to be ruled by greed/sins, it becomes an invitation for a demon to temp and make them fall into sin.

    Judas was greedy at the first place so the devil gave him the idea to sell information about Jesus for money. This boy shooter had wicked hearts toward the people, and he had a big interest with guns, he then decided to "rule" the world his way. we cant always blame demon for every crimes.
     
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  19. jmldn2

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    How can one believe in God (Spirit) and believe scripture which says we are made in God's image (spirit) and not believe there are demons around us? Jesus exorcised demons from possessing people. There is a spiritual world as well as a physical world. There are angels and demons. BTW Satan's greatest lie is for his existence. He wants people to believe he does not exist.
     
  20. Hieronymus

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    Because his plan is to claim he is God, not the satan.
     
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