The "Righteous" Lie (Lying is always a sin)

[Lukamu]

I would argue that the Bible teaches us that lying is a sin, and that there are no exceptions to this. Would someone with the opposing viewpoint, that lying can sometimes be considered righteous in the eyes of God, care to debate the topic?
I've been trying to understand why some Christians think that lying is not sinful in certain situations, because the Bible clearly condemns lying and does not give any exceptions to the rule.

I am hoping to engage in friendly debate with another Christian on this topic in two or three rounds, posted bi-weekly at least and limited to 500-1000 words per post (although I am pretty flexible on these terms). I would take the affirmative position (that lying is always a sin) and begin the debate. Is anyone interested?

- Lukamu

 

[aggie03]

I do not believe that lying is acceptable, but I will take the opposing viewpoint for the sake of the discussion itself.

 

[Pamelav]

When it puts another persons life or well being in jepordy? Protecting them.

 

[farout]

I would argue that the Bible teaches us that lying is a sin, and that there are no exceptions to this. Would someone with the opposing viewpoint, that lying can sometimes be considered righteous in the eyes of God, care to debate the topic?
I've been trying to understand why some Christians think that lying is not sinful in certain situations, because the Bible clearly condemns lying and does not give any exceptions to the rule.

I am hoping to engage in friendly debate with another Christian on this topic in two or three rounds, posted bi-weekly at least and limited to 500-1000 words per post (although I am pretty flexible on these terms). I would take the affirmative position (that lying is always a sin) and begin the debate. Is anyone interested?

- Lukamu

I know Doctors tell people going into surgery that the chances for getting better are greater than they really are. To encourage a person to be more positive is their reasoning.

As a Christian In all my surgeries only one doctor has ever prayed before I went in. That encouraged me knowing he was relying on Gods guidance for his job. I would always rather know the truth.

 

[aggie03]

Is anybody up for this?

 

[Pamelav]

So you think someone's new haircut looks terrible and they say with a smile. 'What do you think?'

 

[aggie03]

So are you interested in having a debate about it? Sounds like you'd be willing to argue that it's all right to lie sometimes.

 

[Pamelav]

I guess I kind of think in this fallen world we are backed into a corner, so some things would obviously be the 'better' thing to do. Like it would be far worse to give up an innocent person into the hands of a perpetrator, than to lie about it. If that would make you on the same grounds with that person, a lie would be the better sin.

 

[Pamelav]

But it looks like his question wasn't 'is it alright to lie,' but is it always a sin.

 

[aggie03]

You bring up good points, which I think everyone would benefit from if we had a discussion about it. We don't need to have a formal debate setup. We can have a formal debate thread with responses back and forth about the question. That's probably the best way to "talk things out" and see what the Bible says.

 

[Chris Tan]

I've been trying to understand why some Christians think that lying is not sinful in certain situations, because the Bible clearly condemns lying and does not give any exceptions to the rule.

Then I would simply question their faith of calling themselves a Christian if they take that stand that "lying is not sinful in certain cases". Unbelievable.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

This forum is for proposing one on one debates; if we are interested in this type of discussion, I can set it up, otherwise this is off topic. Let me know and if no one wants to tackle a one on one, I can move this to a more appropriate forum.

Mark
CF Admin

 

[ewq1938]

I do not believe that lying is acceptable, but I will take the opposing viewpoint for the sake of the discussion itself.

lol

 

[ewq1938]

I would argue that the Bible teaches us that lying is a sin, and that there are no exceptions to this. Would someone with the opposing viewpoint, that lying can sometimes be considered righteous in the eyes of God, care to debate the topic?

I will accept this challenge.

I agree to the terms laid out and don't mind if you go first, I will respond second.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

I would argue that the Bible teaches us that lying is a sin, and that there are no exceptions to this. Would someone with the opposing viewpoint, that lying can sometimes be considered righteous in the eyes of God, care to debate the topic?
I've been trying to understand why some Christians think that lying is not sinful in certain situations, because the Bible clearly condemns lying and does not give any exceptions to the rule.

I am hoping to engage in friendly debate with another Christian on this topic in two or three rounds, posted bi-weekly at least and limited to 500-1000 words per post (although I am pretty flexible on these terms). I would take the affirmative position (that lying is always a sin) and begin the debate. Is anyone interested?

- Lukamu

I will accept this challenge.

I agree to the terms laid out and don't mind if you go first, I will respond second.

I will be glad to set this up; providing that @Lukamu is still interested.

 

[newnature22]

If you thought previously that the successful Christian life was all about reformed doing and commitments, you have gotten it wrong according to the apostle Paul. It is all about transformed thinking. According to our apostle, the battle is taking place between the ears, between fleshy thinking and divine thinking. God’s work in us, not our work for God, major difference.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Admin Hat...

Presently, this is not a debate thread;
@ewq1938; @Lukamu are the only two members other than myself that should be posting in here.

Mark

 

[Lukamu]

I do not believe that lying is acceptable, but I will take the opposing viewpoint for the sake of the discussion itself.

I will accept this challenge.

I agree to the terms laid out and don't mind if you go first, I will respond second.

I will be glad to set this up; providing that @Lukamu is still interested.

Hi everyone, sorry for not responding (back in January to aggie). I've been taking a break from CF for a while, but received a note in my email that someone was willing to discuss this. I am still willing to debate the topic given the conditions that I set forth earlier:

I am hoping to engage in friendly debate with another Christian on this topic in two or three rounds, posted bi-weekly at least and limited to 500-1000 words per post (although I am pretty flexible on these terms). I would take the affirmative position (that lying is always a sin) and begin the debate. Is anyone interested?

Thanks for reviving interest in this topic!
- Lukamu

 

[ewq1938]

Hi everyone, sorry for not responding (back in January to aggie). I've been taking a break from CF for a while, but received a note in my email that someone was willing to discuss this. I am still willing to debate the topic given the conditions that I set forth earlier:

Thanks for reviving interest in this topic!
- Lukamu

I agree....a mod will get this started soon

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Proposed Stipulations; please look these over and we can discuss any changes or amendments as may be required:

1. Title: The "Righteous" Lie (Lying is always a sin)
2. Topic: The Bible teaches us that lying is a sin, and that there are no exceptions.
3. Participants: @Lukamu will be affirming the topic; @ewq1938 will represent the opposing view.
4. Number of Rounds: Three alternating rounds with Lukamu making the opening post.
5. Post Length: Maximum Length; 1000 words per post.
6. Time Between Posts: Two weeks maximum
7. References: All reference material will be allowed, but quotes must comply with CF's copyright rule which can be found here: Community Rules
8. Rules: All of the Community Rules continue to apply.
9. Start Date: To be decided.
10. A "Peanut Gallery" thread will be set up in Ethics & Morality for those not directly involved in this debate, but who wish to discuss this topic and the progress of the debate itself.

Once you guys have affirmed these stipulations, I will create the threads.

Let me know your thoughts please.

Mark
CF Admin