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The right selection pressure, and we would see "men" come from apes, *again*?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Gottservant, Jul 12, 2021.

  1. Gottservant

    Gottservant God loves your words, may men love them also Supporter

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    Hi there,

    So this is not meant to make you feel uncomfortable, but:
    I mean the apes are just waiting, to be people, right? That's your contention?
     
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  2. Ophiolite

    Ophiolite Recalcitrant Procrastinating Ape

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    No.
    • People are apes
    • The present apes, including humans, evolved from earlier types of apes.
    • None of the present non-human apes could ever become people.
    • None of the present humans could ever become a gorilla, chimpanzee, orang-utan, gibbon, bonobo,etc.
    • All of the present apes, including humans, could potentially become different types of apes in the future
    • No apes are waiting to become anything else. They are too busy seeking mates, mortagages and moderate comfort.
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    • The only thing that makes me marginally uncomfortable in this is contemplating the chaos that must exist in your mind to produce such pointless posts.
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  3. Frank Robert

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    What are selection pressures that, you imagine, will make ape's into people?
     
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  4. Tolworth John

    Tolworth John Well-Known Member Supporter

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    No apes are apes not human.
    Please bear in mind that selection is really an elimination process of removing variants untill the only garments left are able to survive better than those with a greater range of variations.

    Selection does not make new garments.
    So an ape cannot squire characteristics not already found in its genetic make up.
     
  5. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    Man was made in the image of God.
     
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    driewerf a day at the Zoo

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  7. Shemjaza

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    No.

    Selection pressures do not produce specific results.

    It's just that the most effective traits available in the population will become more common. If a new variation on the existing norm appears that is an advantage then it is likely to become more common as well.

    However, the selection pressure does not cause the new variety to exist.

    The ancestors of humans adapted to living on the savanah instead of the forrest. Non human apes don't live in that particular environment, and are unlikely to follow the exact same path as humanity anyway.
     
  8. 1rreducibly Complex

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    Neanderthals, denisovans, other extinct species & plants played key roles in said selection pressure btw.
     
  9. Larnievc

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    That would be mutations, genetic drift, etc.
     
  10. Oompa Loompa

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    If humans came from apes, why do apes still exist?
     
  11. 1rreducibly Complex

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    If precursors of modern man crossbred with neanderthals, denisovans and whatever else (as scientists claim).

    Apes won't make the leap without similar conditions.
     
  12. The IbanezerScrooge

    The IbanezerScrooge I can't believe what I'm hearing...

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    Exactly opposite. God was made in the image of Man. ;)
     
  13. Lost4words

    Lost4words Jesus I Trust In You Supporter

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    Very obviously an atheist without checking your profile!
     
  14. Phred

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    No. You've had these things explained to you for years. You still come back with exactly the same misunderstanding.
     
  15. NBB

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    Evo is the biggest cheat and lie ever, they tell without the help of God people can be formed by it, that is a process that does it things alone and does not need any help, there is no correlation in all human experience where a 'stupid and simple' process like evolution or whatever is working on something in other area could produce such incredible results, is not realistic at all. But people need an excuse because they don't believe in God, and the devil is happy to help them think that. And they excluded God from science, and God himself is 'science'. Since he created everything. And Jesus is the only way we can get out of this mess called sin. Just see the world in what state is in to see that we have a fallen nature and we need help.
     
  16. Phred

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    Or not.
     
  17. Ophiolite

    Ophiolite Recalcitrant Procrastinating Ape

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    It is clear from this you know almost nothing about evolutionary theory and the little that you do know is wrong. The good news is that you can correct this. The bad news is that I doubt you will.
    An excuse for what exactly? I don't see any need for an excuse. The evidence for evolutionary theory is overwhelming and certainly vastly greater than for any alternative explanation. If I didn't accept evolutionary theory on that basis I would need to have an excuse for irrational behaviour.

    And yet many scientists are active Christians. Many Christian scientists do research on evolution.

    And yet there are many good non-Christian people in the world, doing good things.
     
  18. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    Why would you continued ignorance make ME feel uncomfortable?
    No. that is your ignorance-based fantasy.

    You've been here a while. And learned NOTHING. You should be ashamed of your ignorance. But I suspect that are proud of it.
     
  19. tas8831

    tas8831 Well-Known Member

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    You were born of a woman, your mother, so why does your mother still exist?
     
  20. Oompa Loompa

    Oompa Loompa Against both police brutality and cop killing.

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    Not comparable. Some have tried to use Dogs as a comparison. "If a labrador descended from wolves, why do wolves still exist." The problem is that a labrador can mate with a wolf and get some wolf-dog breed. But if a man mates with an ape, all you get is AIDS.
     
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