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The Return of the Ten Lost Tribes

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by HannibalFlavius, May 24, 2013.

  1. DennisTate

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  3. HannibalFlavius

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    Dna can trace all sorts of Arabs and Peoples with connection in Israel.

    That does not make them Jews.

    If gentiles live as gentiles, they are gentiles no matter what the blood says.
     
  4. HannibalFlavius

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    Hosea showing the ten tribes ending, and being sent into the nations.

    They were gentiles and God calls them gentiles.


    THE ROLE OF THE KINSMAN REDEEMER
    TO SAVE GOD'S PEOPLE
    Because God had cut off his covenant relationship with the
    Northern Kingdom of Israel, God made a provision in the Torah that a
    near kinsman could redeem his brothers if their covenant was cut off
    from God. Eddie Chumney.

    Leviticus 25:25 it is written:
    "If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his
    possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall
    he redeem that which his brother sold " Eddie Chumney

    Since the Northern Kingdom has sold their covenant inheritance
    with God by committing spiritual whoredom and forsaking the Torah and
    worshiping other gods, God made provision in the Torah that one of
    his brothers (a member of the Southern Kingdom, the house of Judah,
    the Jewish people) could redeem him. Therefore, Jesus was born a Jew
    from the seed of David to redeem the Northern Kingdom who was cut off
    from their covenant relationship with God. In doing so, Jesus brought a
    new (or renewed) covenant which was also Torah based. In Jeremiah
    31:33 it is written:}Eddie Chumney|


    1 The word of the Lord that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel.
    2 The beginning of the word of the Lord by Hosea. And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the Lord.
    3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son.
    4 And the Lord said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel.
    5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel, in the valley of Jezreel.
    6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away.
    7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
    8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son.
    9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.
    10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
    11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

    1 Peter 2:9 speaking to gentiles.
    9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
    Living Godly Lives in a Pagan Society

    11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles...............


    Ephesians 2
    Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ

    11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
    14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17 He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
    19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

    God’s Marvelous Plan for the Gentiles

    3 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles—
    2 Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, 3 that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
    7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12 In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence. 13 I ask you, therefore, not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory.

    The New Man

    17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of[d] the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart

    Ephraims promise to gentiles

    24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
    25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
    26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
    27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
     
  5. HannibalFlavius

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    God planted Israel among the nations as he says, and what did this accomplish?

    Hosea 8

    King James Version (KJV)

    8 Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the Lord, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law.
    2 Israel shall cry unto me, My God, we know thee.
    3 Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him.
    4 They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off.
    5 Thy calf, O Samaria, hath cast thee off; mine anger is kindled against them: how long will it be ere they attain to innocency?
    6 For from Israel was it also: the workman made it; therefore it is not God: but the calf of Samaria shall be broken in pieces.
    7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.
    8 Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein is no pleasure.
    9 For they are gone up to Assyria, a wild ass alone by himself: Ephraim hath hired lovers.
    10 Yea, though they have hired among the nations, now will I gather them, and they shall sorrow a little for the burden of the king of princes.
    11 Because Ephraim hath made many altars to sin, altars shall be unto him to sin.
    12 I have written to him the great things of my law, but they were counted as a strange thing.
    13 They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not; now will he remember their iniquity, and visit their sins: they shall return to Egypt.
    14 For Israel hath forgotten his Maker, and buildeth temples; and Judah hath multiplied fenced cities: but I will send a fire upon his cities, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.


    It accomplished the promise of Abraham saying all nations will be blessed by thee.

    Ephraim's name means ,'' a Multitude of nations' and into the nations they went, seeded amongst the gentiles of the world which created a doorway for all gentiles to return.

    The promise is always that the stick of Judah becomes one with his brother, and his brother is as the sands of the seas.

    The people who were once in darkness and not God's people{Ephraim}.


    But in that place where it was said to them,'' You are not my people, there it will be said to them, you are the sons of the living God.''


    I say that Jesus accomplished this prophecy when he went into Galilee of the nations and a light was seen in the land of Ephraim, in the land of Naphtali, the land of Zebulun and in the valley of Jezreel, it is spoken to gentiles,'' you are the sons of the living God.''
    Ephraim's promise fulfilled.
     
  6. HannibalFlavius

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  7. sevengreenbeans

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    "Where, in the Torah, is the complete destruction of Ephraim spoken of?"

    This was my original question, to which you replied several verses outside of Torah.

    So, in your post above, you did not answer my question, because the verses you quoted from the Torah are not talking about the destruction of Ephraim.
     
  8. HannibalFlavius

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    You don't believe in the prophets?

    If Ephraim was to become a multitude of nations, what does that tell you?
     
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    Num 12:7-8 My servant Moses is not so; he is trusted in all My house; with him do I speak mouth to mouth, even manifestly, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the L-RD does he behold; wherefore then were you not afraid to speak against My servant, against Moses?'


    Deu 13:1-18(13:2-19) If there arise in the midst of you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams - and he give you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spoke unto you - saying: 'Let us go after other gods, which you have not known, and let us serve them';
    you shall not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams; for the L-RD your G-d puts you to proof, to know whether you do love the L-RD your G-d with all your heart and with all your soul. After the L-RD your G-d shall you walk, and Him shall you fear, and His commandments shall you keep, and unto His voice shall you hearken, and Him shall you serve, and unto Him shall you cleave. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he has spoken perversion against the L-RD your G-d, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which the L-RD your G-d commanded you to walk in. So shall you put away the evil from the midst of you. If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend, that is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying: 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, you, nor your fathers; of the gods of the peoples that are round about you, near unto you, or far off from you, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; you shall not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall your eye pity him, neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him; but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And you shall stone him with stones, that he die; because he has sought to draw you away from the L-RD your G-d, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of you. If you shall hear tell concerning one of your cities, which the L-RD your G-d gives you to dwell there, saying: 'Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of you, and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying: Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known'; then shall you inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in the midst of you; you shall surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. And you shall gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the broad place thereof, and shall burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, unto the L-RD your G-d; and it shall be a heap for ever; it shall not be built again. And there shall cleave nought of the devoted thing to your hand, that the L-RD may turn from the fierceness of His anger, and show you mercy, and have compassion upon you, and multiply you, as He has sworn unto your fathers; when you shall hearken to the voice of the L-RD your G-d, to keep all His commandments which I command you this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the L-RD your G-d.


    I choose to listen to the voice of the L-RD spoken in the Torah, first, and compare everything else to Torah. Especially regarding the prophets. If what a prophet speaks does not line up with the teachings of Moshe, then I question it.

    What the Torah, and the greatest prophet Moshe, teaches me about Ephraim is as follows:

    Gen 48:5 And now your two sons, who were born unto you in the land of Egypt before I came unto you into Egypt, are mine; Ephraim and Manasseh, even as Reuben and Simeon, shall be mine.

    Ephraim and Manasseh, the two sons of Joseph, shall belong to Israel.

    Gen 48:20-22 And he blessed them that day, saying: 'By you shall Israel bless, saying: G-d make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh.' And he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
    And Israel said unto Joseph: 'Behold, I die; but God will be with you, and bring you back unto the land of your fathers.
    Moreover I have given to you one portion above your brothers, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow.'

    If Ephraim equals destruction, why would all Israel bless their sons, saying "G-d make you as Ephraim and as Manasseh"? It would not make sense for you to say to your son, "May you be utterly destroyed" or "May you whore after other gods". :doh:So, there is another reason Israel (even Judah) shall bless saying these words. There is a reason Joseph's bones were carried out front and a reason an Ephraimite led the whole house of Israel into the Land.

    Ephraim has an inheritance in the Land.

    By the way, in Genesis 48:22, the word "portion" is "Shechem" in Hebrew and Shechem was taken from the Amori, the people of Chamor. This is significant, but it is up to the reader to determine why.

    Gen 37:12-17 And his brothers went to feed their father's flock in Shechem. And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not your brothers feed the flock in Shechem? come, and I will send you unto them. And he said to him, Here am I. And he said to him, Go, I pray you, see whether it be well with your brothers, and well with the flocks; and bring me word again. So he sent him out of the vale of Hebron, and he came to Shechem. And a certain man found him, and, behold, he was wandering in the field: and the man asked him, saying, What seekest you? And he said, I seek my brothers: tell me, I pray you, where they feed their flocks.
    And the man said, They are departed hence; for I heard them say, Let us go to Dothan. And Joseph went after his brothers, and found them in Dothan.

    Who was this man wandering in the field? I don't know, but I find it intriguing.

    They were supposed to be feeding their father's flock at Shechem, but decided to go to another place of their own choosing. Joseph was the only one who was obedient to do as his father asked him. This event was the beginning of captivity.

    Gen 48:14-16 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraim's head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manasseh's head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the first-born. And he blessed Joseph, and said: 'The G-d before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the G-d who has been my shepherd all my life long unto this day, the angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named in them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.'

    The G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the angel who has redeemed Israel from all evil, bless Ephraim and Menashe.

    Gen 49:22-26 Joseph is a fruitful vine, a fruitful vine by a fountain; its branches run over the wall.
    The archers have dealt bitterly with him, and shot at him, and hated him; But his bow abode firm, and the arms of his hands were made supple, by the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob, from thence, from the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel, Even by the G-d of your father, who shall help you, and by the Almighty, who shall bless you, with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that couches beneath, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb. The blessings of your father are mighty beyond the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills; they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of the prince (nazir - separate, that is, consecrated) among his brothers.


    Deu 33:13-17 And of Joseph he said: Blessed of the L-RD be his land; for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that couches beneath, And for the precious things of the fruits of the sun, and for the precious things of the yield of the moons, And for the tops of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the everlasting hills, And for the precious things of the earth and the fulness thereof, and the good will of Him that dwelt in the bush; let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the crown of the head of him that is prince (nazir - separate, that is, consecrated) among his brethren. His firstling bullock, majesty is his; and his horns are the horns of the wild-ox; with them he shall gore the peoples all of them, even the ends of the earth; and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

    Joseph, thus Ephraim and Menashe, were among those standing upon Mount Gerizim to proclaim the blessing upon entrance to the Land.

    This is some of what the Torah teaches me about Ephraim.
     
  10. HannibalFlavius

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    You sound like that you don't believe the prophets are the word of God, but that's another story.

    I suppose you don't accept any of the book of Hosea, and parts of Isaiah speaking about gentiles.

    Do you believe in Jesus, do you believe that Jesus was a kinsmen redeemer of many brides?

    Why are gentile Christians called brides, why so much talk of a wedding?

    Eddie Chumney wrote this--
    THE ROLE OF THE KINSMAN REDEEMER
    TO SAVE GOD'S PEOPLE
    Because God had cut off his covenant relationship with the
    Northern Kingdom of Israel, God made a provision in the Torah that a
    near kinsman could redeem his brothers if their covenant was cut off
    from God. In Leviticus 25:25 it is written:
    "If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his
    possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall
    he redeem that which his brother sold "
    Since the Northern Kingdom has sold their covenant inheritance
    with God by committing spiritual whoredom and forsaking the Torah and
    worshiping other gods, God made provision in the Torah that one of
    his brothers (a member of the Southern Kingdom, the house of Judah,
    the Jewish people) could redeem him. Therefore, Jesus was born a Jew
    from the seed of David to redeem the Northern Kingdom who was cut off
    from their covenant relationship with God. In doing so, Jesus brought a
    new (or renewed) covenant which was also Torah based. In Jeremiah
    31:33 it is written:
    "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house
    of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my TORAH
    in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be
    their God, and they shall be my people "
    Jesus came to the earth so that God could fulfill His covenant
    with Abraham. This would be accomplished by the Messiah fulfilling
    the role of the kinsman redeemer and saving His people who lost their
    covenant relationship with God. {end quote of eddie}


    I gave you proof from the Torah, that Ephraim would be a multitude of nations, and that's exactly what Ephraim has become.

    I give you the entire book of Hosea about a very detailed explanation of what God would do to the kingdom of Ephraim, you may not accept it as truth, nevertheless, it happened and the prophecy is fulfilled in Jesus.

    Judah has one fellow heir and his name is Ephraim. Now Paul quotes Ephraim's famous miraculous prophecy that his seed would be sown into the earth and mixed among all the gentile nations.

    Romans, 1 Peter, Ephesians, and other places all detail Ephraim's miracle return, and it is ALWAYS explained to gentiles that they have become fellow hiers through this promise,'' Those who were once not a people{gentiles} have become the sons of the living God.

    This promise is given to Ephraim, so why is Paul and Peter giving this promise to gentiles?


    Didn't the kingdom of Ephraim live as gentiles?

    Didn't the Northern kingdom called Ephraim say that the Torah is a strange thing?

    This also fulfills Abraham's promise that all nations would be blessed through Abraham, and this means to become his seed.

    Jacob ADOPTS TWO GENTILE SONS of Joseph and treats them the same as he treated his own children.


    There are many holy cities but God only has one Holy city, one alter, one temple.

    These Northern tribes built their own Temple, they had their own King, that King invented his own Sabbaths and Holy festivals in His Holy city in Shechem.

    This is what you call,'' OUTRIGHT REJECTION OF GOD.''

    Is God unjust that he says,'' YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE?''

    Is God unjust because he mixed them into the nations where they live as gentiles?

    Is Paul and Peter wrong for explaining that gentiles have obtained the promise given to Ephraim, and these gentiles have become a chosen people?

    Is the whole book of Hosea a lie?

    And are the disciples who quote Ephraim's promise lying?


    Are you insinuating that I am a false prophet for quoting prophecy?
     
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  12. HannibalFlavius

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    Careful about what?

    My memory is severely bad, I don't know what everyone believes.

    I can't remember what happened yesterday.

    I am asking honest questions, and it's not in sarcasm.



    If a person wants to see something in Torah as if the Book of Hosea is not considered the word of God, then I have an honest question to whether the person believes in the book of Hosea of not.



    What are you going to do to me?

    And why?
     
  13. Messianic Jewboy

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    The tribes were united that was already fulfilled.
     
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    I'm always last to hear these things since I cut my tv service. Did that happen today?
     
  15. HannibalFlavius

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    They were briefly united when gentiles were adopted and began to act in God's will, leaving their old life behind.

    Those gentiles stayed loyal to their brother and were persecuted along with them.

    But gentiles no longer do that, and Christianity did exactly what Jeroboam had done for the same reason.

    They are called,'' The evil Kingdom.''

    A people who claim to be of God but are mixed in all sorts of Paganism. They bring abomination up to the Temple and they separate themselves from God's chosen people, the Jews.

    This evil kingdom has always existed before there was a Northern kingdom.


    But this northern kingdom rejected all of God's ways and were sent into Assyria where they have not yet returned.

    7000 are still reserved in this anti-Kingdom.



    They are gentiles who call the Torah a strange thing, they say that God's laws are not for them. They admit that they have changed the ways of God and think to have authority to do so.

    They make their Holy city other than Jerusalem and they have their own Holy festivals and holidays that are designed to separate.

    Gentiles came together with Jews, and became one man but the multitudes of Ephraim which are as the sands of the seas are not together with the Jews.

    When Judah is strengthened in Zech, Joseph is suddenly found.

    Together they mount up and destroy all those against them.

    There will be no more hatred or jealousy between Ephraim and Judah in those days, in the days they appoint one head over them.
     
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  18. DennisTate

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    Is it possible that this verse refers partly to the fact that the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel intermarried with the peoples of many many Islamic nations?????!!
     
  19. DennisTate

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    This is a very interesting point......scripture records that Mary/ Myriam the mother of Rabbi Jesus/ Yeshua had at least four other sons....and daughters plural. As the generations went by..........when finally every aspect of Judaism was not permitted to be observed by Christians during the dark ages.....the great, great, great....grandsons and granddaughters of Mary and Joseph would feel so unfamiliar with the Orthodox Christian community that they would very likely just fit in with the Rabbinic Jewish community.....and yes.....be persecuted as Jews!!!!!!!!!!


    Mar 6:3
    Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
     
  20. HannibalFlavius

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    I see Paul quoting the promise spoken to Ephraim after they were sent into the nations and after they were called gentiles.

    I don't know what eisegesis means but I can read the scripture, and this is not the only place Ephraim's promise is used showing gentiles grafted in.

    I don't mind stating the fact that I am of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel because this is what I am told, But what I seen in this scripture is gentiles obtaining the promise given to Ephraim.

    I have no idea how you could red it different.

    Those who were not hid people became the son of the Living God.

    Are you aware this happened to gentiles under the Promise spoken to Ephraim.

    I have said nothing that isn't true.

    I just read the scripture and I'm very sure some people would be bothered by my calling Myself a Jew, and probably read that different, But a Jew am I.
     
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