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The Relationship Between the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit

Discussion in 'Paterology, Christology & Pneumatology' started by Girder of Loins, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. Girder of Loins

    Girder of Loins Future Math Teacher

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    So I was thinking about the Trinity, and got into a bit of a thought train. I've decided to post my findings here, and I would love for all you big-word users to judge my findings. :) Anywho, here it goes.

    So I view "God" as a multi-faceted being, one being the Father, one being the Son, and one being the Holy Spirit. Each of these facets have a distinct purpose and unique abilities, used solely by the individual facet. However, they all function in unity as "God". Sort of like those toys we all used to play with, the ones with different shaped holes in them. Each hole is different, but work in unity to create the toy.

    So God the Father is the "life-breather". He created the Heavens and the earth and breathed life into mankind. He also made man fully righteous. Now, man fell, so this is where the Son comes into play.

    The Son is the Savior/Redeemer/Mediator. He has been two things in history. First, He was the Law. I use John 1:1 as my evidence. Since the only "Word" the Jews had was the Torah, logic would follow that since the Son's role is the Savior, He would be the Law as well. Since He was the law, it makes sense as to why He could "fulfill the Law", not "abolish the law", and still make a new covenant with us. The Son forms us back into righteousness, allowing us to recommune with God. Of course, He is only the gate to God. This is where the Holy Spirit comes into play.

    The Holy Spirit is our Guide/Comforter/(insert every other name for the HS). He is the one who guides us towards the Son. He convicts us and shows us the Way.

    These thoughts also flow seamlessly with another thought I just had while writing this... Wow... Anywho, any thoughts, comments, rebuttals, agreements, et cetera, are greatly appreciated!
     
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  2. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

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    That sounds like Sabellianism, not Christianity.
     
  3. Girder of Loins

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    Well, I wouldn't say God is one person and different faces, rather He is three individual and unique personalities within a singular form, the Trinity.
     
  4. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

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    You said, and I quote, "So I view 'God' as a multi-faceted being, one being the Father, one being the Son, and one being the Holy Spirit. Each of these facets have a distinct purpose and unique abilities, used solely by the individual facet. However, they all function in unity as 'God'. Sort of like those toys we all used to play with, the ones with different shaped holes in them. Each hole is different, but work in unity to create the toy."

    If you think God is a multi-faceted being, then you believe that God has different faces. That is what "multi-faceted" actually means; it means having different aspects, faces, shapes, etc. God doesn't have different aspects or faces or shapes; He is One. Now you sound like a Mormon, with totally unique individuals merely sharing in a common will.

    You go on to say, and I quote, "So God the Father is the 'life-breather'. He created the Heavens and the earth and breathed life into mankind. He also made man fully righteous. Now, man fell, so this is where the Son comes into play.

    The Son is the Savior/Redeemer/Mediator. He has been two things in history. First, He was the Law. I use John 1:1 as my evidence. Since the only 'Word' the Jews had was the Torah, logic would follow that since the Son's role is the Savior, He would be the Law as well. Since He was the law, it makes sense as to why He could 'fulfill the Law', not 'abolish the law', and still make a new covenant with us. The Son forms us back into righteousness, allowing us to recommune with God. Of course, He is only the gate to God. This is where the Holy Spirit comes into play.

    The Holy Spirit is our Guide/Comforter/(insert every other name for the HS). He is the one who guides us towards the Son. He convicts us and shows us the Way."

    This is Sabellianism. While each Person (better in Greek as Hypostasis, which doesn't carry the same baggage as the English "Person" does) is distinct, each Person is also equally and eternally of the same One Unique Essence or Substance. That means God the Son and God the Holy Spirit as as much "Life-breathers" as much as God the Father. That means that God the Father and God the Son are as much Persons to guide and shows us the way as God the Holy Spirit.

    Dividing powers, roles, etc, separately destroys the Trinity. They are of the same Substance but are different Hypostases of that same Substance; they don't have a different will or action; when One acts, They all act. When Jesus, the Incarnation of God the Son was baptized by St. John the Forerunner, we see all Three Persons acting together. Even when we pray, we are speaking to all Three at once, even if the language doesn't look like it: The Lord's Prayer mentions only God the Father, but God the Son is our "Daily Bread" and no prayer is possible without God the Holy Spirit. A person as we understand the term today are all of the same substance but are not just distinct but entirely unique, having separate wills. The word hypostasis doesn't perfectly translate, because the idea of will was different.

    Ponder this symbol for a while, and see where your ideas are in theological error:



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  5. Jpark

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    Jesus does all things. Enough said.

    John 5:22 22 For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

    Hebrews 1:2 in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
     
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