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THE READINESS RAPTURE: It's not just another rapture theory

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by rollinTHUNDER, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. BABerean2

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    The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, as found in Revelation 11:15.

    The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found a few verses later in Revelation 11:18.

    This passage kills your effort above to create two separate events in 2 Timothy 4:1.

    Will you ignore these passages just because they may not be good for book sales?


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  2. rollinTHUNDER

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    Nice try. I used this passage in my book as well. Just because I didn't use it in this thread doesn't mean I have ignored it. But you should know that Rev. 11:18 is two judgments, not just one. First the house of God is judged, as you can see (1 Pet. 4:17-18). Then the nations (sheep and goats), as you can see those who destroy the earth (goats) will be destroyed. These are not believers. They are living unbelievers who will not enter into His millennium. The rest of the dead unbelievers will be judged at the great white throne judgment after the 1000 years (Rev. 20:5).

    So both Matt. 24 and 25 apply, though it will take several days, because the hour of temptation (Rev. 3:10) will be in between these judgments, when the martyrs will be killed (Rev. 6:9-11). These events will occur during the fall feasts.
     
  3. Truth7t7

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    Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 11:18 are the exact same event.

    The final judgment of all that have lived.

    There is no millennial kingdom on this earth found in scripture.
     
  4. rollinTHUNDER

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    I have, but you're just too blind to see it.
     
  5. rollinTHUNDER

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    You should read Rev. 20:4-6
     
  6. BABerean2

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    I am going to partially agree with you.

    Revelation 11:18 contains "the nations", which are the living.


    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


    The judgment of the nations and His wrath at His Second Coming, are found in Matthew 25:31-46.

    Also above we find "the time of the judgment of the dead", which is described by Christ in John 5:27-30.

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  7. rollinTHUNDER

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    As a partial preterist, I assume you believe that not everything has been fulfilled as the full preterist's do. So what events do you believe have not been fulfilled yet, and what do you think about Daniel's 70th week?
     
  8. BABerean2

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    Luke 21:25-28, and Matthew 24: 29-31, have not occurred yet.

    2 Peter 3:10-13 has not occurred yet.

    Based on Matthew 10:5-7, and Galatians 1:14-18, the Gospel was taken "first" to Daniel's people for a period of about 7 years before Paul began his ministry to the Gentiles.

    This is confirmed by the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24, found in Hebrews 10:16-18, and Acts 10:38.

    The only way to see the 70th week of Daniel is in a time machine set to return you to the first century.

    The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.


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  9. rollinTHUNDER

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    I'm not going back to the 1st century.

    What do you think about Matt. 24:15, the abomination of desolation, past or future?
     
  10. BABerean2

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    The question should be... What does Luke think?

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.


    Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.


    The Jews of Jesus day celebrated Hanukkah every year.
    They were well aware of the desecration of the temple by Antiochus Epiphanes during 167 BC.
    They also knew that the army of Antiochus had attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and also stopped the sacrifices.
    The city would be attacked and the sacrifices would be stopped again, during 70 AD.
    (Let the reader understand.)


    No honest reader can deny that Matthew 24:15-16, and Luke 21:20-21 are parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in both Gospels.


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  11. Choose Wisely

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    That's poppycock............balderdash, bunk, hogwash, rubbish.

    Luke 21
    12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

    Matt 24
    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

    AS YOU ALREADY KNOW...........Luke goes back to before nations rise against nations when it comes to Israel whereas Matt continues to a future event.

    Mark 13
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,

    ADDITIONALLY **********LUKE WASN'T THERE***********

    SO AS YOU ALREADY KNOW IT IS NOT A PARALLEL ACCOUNT
     
  12. BABerean2

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    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
    Luk 21:21
    Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

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  13. rollinTHUNDER

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    Well, I see how you are trying to connect the dots, but Luke was speaking about the temple destruction, with no mention of the abomination of desolation. Some things are similar, like the Jews fleeing to the mountains as the desolation occurs, but there are more than one desolation determined. Desolations is plural in Dan. 9:26.

    When Christ answered His disciples question in Matt. 24:3, He said nothing about the temple. His entire answer was solely about the sign of His coming and the end of the age. Furthermore, the persecution coming in the end will not just be from the Roman armies. Christ warned that they would be hated by ALL nations (Matt. 24:9). Have you noticed how the UN is always against Israel these days?

    The temple destruction in 70 AD has nothing to do with the sign of His coming, far from it. Christ was cut off after 69 weeks. Don't look now, but Daniel's 70th week is not that far off. Then we will go through the times of sorrows (birth pains), followed by the abomination of desolation and the great tribulation. I hope you're ready.
     
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  14. rollinTHUNDER

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    Remember, Israel rejected Christ, but He prophesied that they would receive one who comes in his own name (John 5:43). This is still future as well.
     
  15. BABerean2

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    The only way you can make the above work is by ignoring Christ's words about the temple being destroyed in Matthew 24:1-2, which is confirmed by Luke 19:41-44.

    You are ignoring the fulfillment of the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Acts 10:38, in order to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work.

    You are ignoring Matthew 10:5-7, and Galatians 1:14-18, to produce a future 70th week of Daniel.

    I am more ready than most, because I have read Revelation 12:11 and understand that a person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Christ.
    I understand that the term "tribulation saints" is a term invented by Pretribbers to make their doctrine work.

    Corrie Ten Boom said the same thing about the coming persecution of the Church and the false Pretrib rapture doctrine. She is one of my heroes.


    Here is an American woman reading a letter written by Corrie.

     
  16. Blade

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    Hmm...In Matt.. who was saved? What CHURCH was He talking to? Everything He said will happen. Man is the one that says "one taken one left" and then says... RAPTURE! Jesus had not even died yet. So before He does He tells the them about haw He is going back to make them a home. And I will come back and get you/take you/receive you unto myself. So where I am you will be. WHERE I am you will be.

    He looked them in the eyes and said "I am coming back for you". A WHEN did this happen? NEVER. So He lied? No.. if He does not know and ALL He knew was AFTER He died NOTHING had to happen for Him to come back to get them. If the Father is really the ONLY one that knows of these times and seasons then Christ NEVER Lied. And He does not know. And if they heard this and after He rose were ready watching every moment they walked this earth. They I will do the same.

    For me this is not hard. He said.. He is coming.. He show'd Paul.. that 1st letter Paul wrote was to some that thought Jesus already came.. nope.. not yet. So Paul told them.. then said.. comfort each other with this. HE IS COMING. NO MAN will ever be right in this. NO MAN will ever get ANY GLORY in this. This is the FATHERS and HIS ALONE.

    We need to get over it...and know we will NEVER EVER KNOW. Just be ready NOW! You will never miss Him. I take HIM not man at HIS word. Allot of "I"s and such
     
  17. rollinTHUNDER

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    You can't pin that on me. The first part of their question was: Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? I recognize the fact that they asked Him (when) the temple will be destroyed, but He ignored that part Himself. He chose not to tell when. Did Luke tell when? I mean, did they know it would be 40 years later? No, I'm guessing they were completely surprised when they were surrounded 40 years later.

    I'm not ignoring any of these things. Why do you say I am?


    Well, I must agree with you about the tribulation saints. But don't assume that just because I believe in the rapture that I'm also a pre-tribber. That theory is built entirely on assumptions and misconceptions. There is not a single verse in God's Word that supports a pre-trib rapture. Matt.24:29-31 makes it perfectly clear when the rapture will occur, but no one knows the day or hour that will happen.
     
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  18. BABerean2

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    Do you believe in a future 70th week of Daniel?

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  19. Petros2015

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    Yeah, he tends to get a little off-topic when you ask him something.

    I did actually the the first two posts of the OP and they were pretty good, not much that I would disagree with there.
     
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  20. rollinTHUNDER

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    Sure do. You will too, when you see the abomination of desolation kick off the great tribulation. If you think the Roman armies was bad, just wait until you see all nations gathered against Israel. And don't forget about John 5:43
     
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