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The Rapture Must Occur Before Mankind's Final Judgment

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by ugmug, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. ugmug

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    The Rapture Must Occur Before Mankind's Final Judgment

    It is clear that the rapture, which is Jesus Christ coming for all of his faithful just before God's final judgment, must take place before God's judgments can proceeded. God's judgments begin with the arrival of the Four Horsemen of the apocalypse.

    The four horsemen are created beings of God with specific roles and duties that will inflict great pain and suffering upon all of mankind. Angels, or any created beings of heaven, have no authority over any believer in Jesus Christ for that person is now elevated in stature above an angel or created being in heaven by the indwelling Holy Spirit. Which is why any believer in Jesus Christ must be taken out of this world just before the commencement of mankind's final judgment.

    So, in order for any widespread judgment to begin, all of Jesus Christ's faithful just be removed ( hint: the rapture) for they are now above any angel in class and stature and cannot be judged by them.

    If one examines the judgments depicted in the Book of Revelation one notices that there are four groups of individuals that bring judgment upon mankind.

    The First group are God's angels or created beings, then comes Satan and his fallen angels, then comes the serpent with his bizarre group of insects that inflict great distress upon mankind, and finally mankind brings its own judgment upon each other.

    Each class of beings have a supremacy over those who do not believe in Jesus Christ and do not have the indwelling Holy Spirit. When Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden they gave up their dominion over this world, and of themselves, to Satan and the serpent, and all other angelic beings.

    Believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and rest assured that you'll be included in the Rapture for any person who has the indwelling Holy Spirit ( hint: Get Baptized) will be lifted out of this wicked world and escape mankind's final judgment. Then you'll be with God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit in heaven forever.

    A belief in Jesus Christ is a like a baggage claim tag that is affixed to everyone's luggage at an airport. When Jesus Christ comes for his 'luggage' at the rapture (hint: which are all those who have the indwelling Holy Spirit), they'll be taken up to the safety of heaven and be spared mankind's final judgment. Final Judgment begins when all those with a higher status over the 'unsaved' are let loose as God will have removed his grace from this wicked world.

    Note:

    Notice that when God judged both the inhabitants during Noah's day and the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah both had no equal, in regards to sin, to the sin that was possible in the Garden of Eden when Satan took possession of this world from Adam and Eve.

    Homosexuality, and abortion, is a sinful practice that was not possible in the Garden of Eden and therefore any Judgment is the exclusive providence of God for which he readily dealt with as a judgement of water and fire (hint: water and fire are combined in the hereafter as an eternal judgment and torment in the Lake of Fire).

    God did not wait for mankind's natural death to exact punishment for the sin of homosexuality or abortion.

    Mankind's forthcoming Final Judgment is another case of God exacting punishment on all those whose behavior exceeds the bounds of sinfulness that existed in The Garden of Eden.

    Jesus Christ stated that the end of mankind's existence will be like the days of Noah and the days of Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah, meaning, that homosexuality and abortion will be judged by God without waiting for mankind's natural death to exact punishment.

    One last point- when Jesus Christ's faithful receive their new bodies at the rapture their status as being above all other angelic beings, especially Satan and his fallen angels, will be permanent.

    For Christians:

    Notice that John, who is up in heaven writing everything down that he witnesses of mankind's final judgment (hint: John is writing everything down without the help of any angel in heaven), yet he does not see Moses or Elijah in heaven for they are both down on earth as the two witnesses. There is also no mention of Mary the Mother of Jesus Christ for she now has a new body and a new name just like everyone else or she'd still be lower than all the angels or created beings in stature.

    God Bless
     
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  2. PlatinumTrophies

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    There are now as many doctrines as there are heads -Martin Luther

    So glad I no longer believe Christianity is a religion based on man's opinion on incomplete information.
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  3. BABerean2

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    2Ti 4:1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:


    Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
    Rev 11:16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,
    Rev 11:17 saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.
    Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

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  4. Pethesedzao

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    You are wrong on several points but correct that the Church will be taken away before the Tribulation period. The white horse in Rev 6 is the appearing of the Antichrist.
     
  5. Pethesedzao

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    Enoch and Elijah are the 2 witnesses
     
  6. BABerean2

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    Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.


    Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.

    Jesus said the "lampstands" are a symbol of the churches in the Book of Revelation.



    Rom 11:24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

    Paul used the "olive tree" as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of both Israelite, and Gentile branches.

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  7. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    All of the OP is based on opinion, assumption and pure guesswork, totally lacking scriptural support.
    Jesus said many times that people cannot go to heaven, that idea is a false teaching that has deceived many.
    The Bible plainly says that we will face trials and testing and those who prove their faith will be with the Lord in the Millennium.
     
  8. christiansoccerplayer

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    Curious about, in your view, the meaning of John 14:2-3? or John 13:36?
     
  9. parousia70

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    My Favorite Posts on the Eschatology forum are the ones that begin with: "It is clear that....."
     
  10. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Both refer to the time after the Millennium; Eternity, when the New Jerusalem comes to the earth and God Himself will dwell with mankind. Revelation 21:1-7
     
  11. Pethesedzao

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    I will be with and will see Jesus before the Millennium
     
  12. BABerean2

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    Because Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19, we know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

    The "time of the judgment of the dead" is found in Revelation 11:18.






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  13. Pethesedzao

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    Jesus returns in Revelation 19
     
  14. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Yes, all of the faithful Christian people will see the Lord as we stand before Him in Jerusalem, soon after the Lord's Day of wrath. As 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 and Revelation 7:9-14 tell us.
    At the Glorious Return of Jesus, to come a few years later, the whole world will see Him, then He will commence His Millennium reign.
     
  15. BABerean2

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    And in chapter 16...

    Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.


    And at the end of chapter 6...

    Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
    Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
    Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
    Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
    Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


    And at the end of chapter 11...

    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
    Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
    Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
    Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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  16. Pethesedzao

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    First of all, Revelation is not in chronological order. When Jesus returns to Earth He defeats the Antichrist and his hordes with one breath of His mouth. At the consummation of the age after He has judged the living and the dead, sin and death will be forever consigned to the Lake of Fire
     
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