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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Marilyn C, Oct 11, 2016.

  1. Truth7t7

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    Nothing funny, it's 100% factual :)

    Not one word in Revelation 20:1-6 shows even a hint of a earthly mortal kingdom, where living humans are present.

    Your smiling right now because you know this is true :)

    Then the millennialist wanders about the scripture, trying to use the "Eternal Kingdom"seen, and pass it off as their earthly millennial kingdom.

    Now that's "Sad" :(
     
  2. Riberra

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    Nothing funny, factual :)

    Not one word in Revelation 20:1-6 shows even a hint of a earthly mortal kingdom, where living humans are present.

    Your smiling right now because you know this is true :)

    Then the millennialist wanders about the scripture, trying to use the "Eternal Kingdom"seen, and pass it off as their earthly millennial kingdom.

    Now that's "Sad"
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    Revelation 19:15 tell us that Jesus will come to RULE THE NATIONS WITH A ROD OF IRON....so He will rule with those mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6

    Revelation 20:15
    15 And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty.
     
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  3. Truth7t7

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    Deal with Zechariah 14, don't run off quoting other passages, we see eternal light, the eternal river of life, a fire that consumes humans as they stand on their feet, don't run from these facts presented, that show your earthly kingom to be false :)

    The end did come in Zechariah 14:12, the last day fire in judgment of the Lord has taken place.

    2 peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29, Malachi 3:2, 1 Corinthians 3:13

    Zechariah 14

    In verses 1-4 you see the second advent/coming, and final battle of Armageddon. verses 5-6 eternal light in the eternal kingdom, verse 8 the eternal river of life is present.

    verses 16-21 show the "Eternal Kingdom" not a false 1000 year earthly millennial kingdom, where mortal humans are present.

    The only ones left from the Judgment of Nations are the righteous saved, who's names were in the book of life.

    Yes there will be rain, trees, fruit, rivers, fish, animals, in the "Eternal Kingdon" like a remake of the garden of eden.

    God the father and Son will sit upon the eternal throne in New Jerusalem, the river of life will come from this throne, living water for the eternal kingdom.

    Possibly you need to clear the worlds deception, of female angels with long hair, floating in the air with harps, as eternity?
     
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  4. Riberra

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    The EARTH is not destroyed by fire at that moment [His Coming]....only His enemies....
    Zechariah
    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite all the peoples that have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their sockets, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    2 peter 3:10-13 will happen 1,000 years later....

    the Day of the Lord is 1,000 years 2 peter 3:8

    8 But forget not this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    2 peter 3:8 is given a clear indication about the duration of the DAY OF THE LORD ...
     
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  5. Truth7t7

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    The earth is dissolved at the appearance of Jesus Christ, "The Day Of The Lord" as Zechariah 14:1-4 & 2 Peter 3:10-13 are both parallel teachings of "The Day Of The Lord"

    The end did come in Zechariah 14:12, the last day fire in judgment of the Lord has taken place.

    2 peter 3:10-13, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29, Malachi 3:2, 1 Corinthians 3:13

     
  6. Riberra

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    About what DAY do you think 2 peter 3:8 is about ?
     
  7. Truth7t7

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    What do you think 1 Thessalonians 1:7-8, Luke 17:29-30, Malachi 3:2 is about, in relationship to the Lord "Appearing" :)

    Your not gonna distract and run from the topic, this takes place at the "Appearance Of Jesus Christ" What Is It?
     
  8. Riberra

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    Luke 17:29-30
    29 but in the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all: 30 after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed.

    Does the WHOLE EARTH HAVE BEEN DESTROYED When God destroyed His enemies at SODOM ? NO....after the same manner shall it be in the day that the Son of man is revealed...to destroy them assembled at Armageddon.
     
  9. BABerean2

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    Not at all.

    As I have explained on several occasions, the "first resurrection" in Revelation 20 is the one found in John 5:24, and the word "thousand" is used as it is in Psalm 50:10.

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  10. Truth7t7

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    You desperately try to save this physical earth for a millennial kingdom, aint gonna happen :)

    We see in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 Jesus Returns with the angels in flaming fire.

    We see in Matthew 25:31-46 Jesus Returns with the same angels to the "Final Judgment"

    verse 31-32 Jesus returns with the angels, the nations are gathered before the throne for judgment.

    verse 34 the eternal kingdom for the righteous

    verse 41 the wicked are judged to the lake of fire.

    verse 46 the righreous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" as seen in verse 34

    Do you believe the word "Eternal" is not seen in verse 46?

    Do you believe the righteous do not obtain " Eternal Life" in verse 46

    Do you believe the kingdom seen in verse 34 is not "Eternal" that the righteous in verse 46 will enter?

    Do you still believe A earthly millennial kingdom is seen taking place at the return of Jesus Christ with the angels?

    Do you not believe the fire seen in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 is the same fire seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13

    Do you not believe "The Thief in the Night" seen in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-23 is the same "Thief In The Night" seen in 2 Peter 3:10?
     
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  11. Earth and heaven

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    Eze13:20 "wherefore thus saith the Lord God. "behold, I am against your pillows [doctrines] where with ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make fly." Jesus tells us to pay close attention to all events going on around us. Do not believe in the false rapture! Christ is going to tell us where the one man and one women is taken two it is not a rapture or to heaven. Luke 17:34 "I tell you, in that night there shall be two men [souls]- husband and wife in one bed the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left." The subject here is the false Christ [antichrist] coming first. Satan is going to play the roll of the antichrist first. Satan is going to take one out of that bed through deception, and the other one will stay in the field working for the true Christ. Luke17:35 "two women shall be grinding together, the one shall be taken, and the other one left". Go back to verse 23 " And they shall say to you, see here; or see there: go not after them nor follow them". Peoplthem them, "whosote who believe in the rapture will follow the and warship the false Christ (Satan). This is why the tradition of men are so dangerous. This will happen before the true Christ returns to earth. Luke17:36 "Two women shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left." The field is the World. We are in the world and we are suppose to stand against the false Christ! This time is Satan's great religious tribulation. Jesus is going to explain to us where the one person that is grinding taken to. Luke17:37 "And they answered and said unto Him, "where, Lord? ' And He said unto them, wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." The word "eagles', should be translated "vultures" . The carcass are the spiritual dead. Satan will feed on every spiritual dead person on the earth. Where ever the carcass lies, the vultures will be gather to feast on the remains. Read Matthew24:37 and you can read of these dead carcass again. Matthew24 teaches us of the second coming of Jesus. Back to Luke 17:37 Jesus gives His disciples a specific time to watch for. When you see this happening, you know the end is three and a half days away [84 hours]. Verse 37 is in reference to Satan the [antichrist] rises up and kills the two witnesses, and their bodies lie in an arena in Jerusalem. The whole world will observe on T.V. and the people that are there will gather like vultures to have their parties over their death. Read Revelation11:8,9,10,11, and 15. Remember verse 15 the seventh trumpet sounds and the True Jesus returns to earth. Paul calls the seventh trump "the last trump" also "the trump of God". Do not follow after these false teachers who teach rapture!
     
  12. Riberra

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    Jesus have been resurrected in His FLESH body....He is the firstfruits....then after those who are Dead in Christ will be resurrected as He was at His Coming ...

    1 Corinthians 15:20-23
    20 But now hath Christ been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of them that are asleep.

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    23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.

    The END WILL COME WHEN HE SHALL deliver up the kingdom to God the Father ...

    24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
    25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
    26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
     
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  13. Earth and heaven

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    Matthew17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh them up into an high mountain apart," Jesus separates these three disciples from the rest of the disciples. The only reason the disciples were brought there was to be a witness to the transforming of Christ's body following the resurrection. Verse 2 "And was transfigured before them: and His face did shine as the sun, and His raiment was white as the light." The transfiguration of Jesus body lets these three disciples know that through the resurrection His flesh body would be transformed, for more documentation lets read Acts2:31 "He seeing this before, spake of the resurrection of Christ, that His soul was not left in hell, neither His flesh did see corruption. Jesus flesh did not decay, but was transformed, and that is why the transfiguration took place, Peter, James and John were taken by Jesus up on the mountain, three they witness Jesus with Moses and Elias, and the transfigured physical body of Jesus before them and His raiment was white as the light." Lets read more about Jesus resurrection Acts2:25 "For David speaketh concerning Him, I for saw the Lord always before my face, for He is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:" David also said this in Psalm16:8. Acts2:26 "Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:" David had he knew that Jesus would come and deliver. Acts2:27 :Because Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt Thou suffer Thine Holy One to see corruption." The subject here is about Christ's resurrection, He went to the place where souls of the dead were being held and released those that would hear the Word. Did Jesus go to hell? In the Strong's Concordance look up number 86# the word hell translated in the Greek is "hades" This is a place where the souls a. Lets find out where hell is turn to, Luke 16:19-26 in the parable of Lazarus, where the rich man could see Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham. There is a great gulf between the place where the rich man was, and he could not cross. Luke16:26 "And beside all this between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." This is hell, people that are in this place did not overcome, and they are there by their own choice. They did not accept Christ, and they would not repent. These that are in that separated place in "hell" are there waiting for judgment. Our Father is fair, Christ on the day that He was in the tomb went to those that were in this place and preached to them, as we are told in 1Peter3:18,20;"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" [18] "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison, "[19]" which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing where few, that is eight souls were saved by water.
     
  14. Riberra

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    The transfiguration of Christ happened few weeks BEFORE that Jesus was crucified... NOT AFTER THE RESURRECTION .

    The proof
    VERSE 9
    9 As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, UNTIL the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”



    Jesus wanted to show a glimpse of His Glory...remember that Jesus is God.

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    25. The Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-13)

    The Transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-13)

    We now come to the amazing account of the transfiguration of Christ on the mountain. This dramatic event marks a major turning point in the gospel narratives, for Jesus was beginning to turn more and more to Jerusalem and the suffering and death that awaited Him there. But before all of that would take place, there was this glimpse of glory. And we read in the New Testament that it was because of the glory that was set before Him He was able to endure the cross. The revelation of Christ’s glory in this chapter was a clear confirmation to the disciples of the truth of Peter’s confession of faith (16:16); but it was also a great encouragement for Christ Himself as He faced the agony that would occur on another hill called Golgotha.
     
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    You misunderstood what I was saying. I know Jesus was crucified before he was resurrected! The Transfiguration was an example of what type of condition that His body would be like when He resurrected after His crucifixion. The word resurrection means to stand up right.
     
  18. Riberra

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    The transfiguration have NOT happened after the resurrection....
    as proven by

    Matthew 17:1-9
    9 And as they were coming down from the mountain, Jesus commanded them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen from the dead.


    Here the Biblical proof that Jesus have been resurrected in His flesh and bones body.

    Luke 24

    36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

    37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

    38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

    39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.


    40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

    41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

    42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

    43 And he took it, and did eat before them.


    44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
     
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    "Transfigured" means that Jesus flesh body was changed by divine intervention into His Spiritual Body, but left in a dimension that Peter, James and John could see and witness. We will also be transformed from these flesh corruptible bodies, into our incorruptible bodies, that same Spiritual body. The flesh will be put off, and changed, transformed into transfigured bodies. Lets read the true 1Corinthians 15:52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed;". "Sleep" as stated here comes from the Greek prime #2837 in the Strong's Greek dictionary. " Koimao, to put to sleep, to decease, to be dead." This is not talking about sleeping to gain rest, but when the soul leaves this flesh body, and it returns to dust at death. Paul is saying the time is coming when all people on the earth will not die, but be changed into their incorruptible bodies that will not age. This form of body is the same as what Peter, James and John saw on the mountain of transfiguration, when they viewed Jesus body changed, and in the presence of Moses and Elijah. 1Corinthian15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sounds, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be hanged." Remember this last trump is the seventh trump we only have 7 trumps when the two witnesses are killed the seventh trump will sound and all people on the earth will change into their incorruptible body both good and bad. All people living in their flesh bodies here on earth are not going anywhere. They will all stay right here on earth, and the heaven will be sealed for a thousand years. At the sounding of the seventh and last trumpet, In Mark 9:2 Christ is allowing these three men to witnesses exactly what He was speaking of in verse one. When they had saw the transfiguration, they were witnessing what took place at His resurrection, but also what will take place at the end of this age of the flesh when the seventh trump sounds. We hear the lies today that is being spread across the world that Christ's body was taken away by His disciples, however upon Jesus resurrection, His body was visible seen by hundreds of people over the forty day period prior to His ascension into heaven. Christ was transfigured on the third day, but also many other souls seen by the people living on that day had known and lived with them that had died, were transfigured and walking the streets of Jerusalem on that day. Matthew27:51 "and, behold, the veil of the Temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent," verse52 "And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints which slept arose." Verse 53 'And came out of the graves after His resurrection, and went into the holy city [Jerusalem], and appeared unto many." These souls seemingly came out of the grave at the time of the resurrection, however, their souls were with the Father. God gave this visual aid to those present, of bodies coming out of the grave to prove one point. That point is, that Christ conquer death. Christ paid the price going all the way back to Adam and Eve, to our present generation The transfiguration documents that Jesus was the Son of God. Ecclesiastes12:7 "Then shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." To be absent from your flesh body is to be present with the Lord, Christ was transformed and His flesh to ascend back to the Father, so naturally they could not find Christ's body after the resurrection
     
  20. Riberra

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    The Transfiguration of Jesus have happened BEFORE His Death and Resurrection in His flesh and bones body.
    The Transfiguration was to shown that Jesus is God not an ordinary human.

    The we refers to believers....we will be resurrected in an incorruptible IMMORTAL BODY like Jesus.

    This is the SOUL of the Believer who at death ascend to Heaven in the presence of Jesus.

    After His Resurrection Jesus tell them that He was well alive in His flesh and bones body.

    Luke 24:36-43

    36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

    37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

    38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

    39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.


    40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
    41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

    42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

    43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
     
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