The Rains

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Shalom all,

When G-d flooded the earth in the days of Noah did it rain for forty days and only forty days. Or after reading the whole story does it lead one to believe that it rained for 150 days before the rains stopped and the waters abated.

In Gen. 7:4 G-d says he will make it rain for forty days and forty nights
Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

G-d never says that this is all of the rain that he will bring.

In Gen. 7:6 it tells us Noah’s age was 600 years old
Gen 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

In Gen. 7:7 it tells us Noah went in to the Ark because of the flood
Gen 7:7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

In Gen. 7:11 it tells us the flood started and Noah’s age at that time.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Gen 7:10 tells us again that it rains for forty days.
Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

7:13-it tells us that G-d shut Noah and his Family in and in verse 17-18 it tells us that it continued to rain.
Gen 7:17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

In 7:11 and 8:4 it tells us that there were 5 months between the start of the flood and the grounding of the Ark.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

7:24 and 8:1-3 specifies that time was 150 days giving us a calendar of 30 days per month. Notice that in verse 1 and 2 G-d stops the rain after 150 days.
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
Gen 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
Gen 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
Gen 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

Now that we know how many days the rains lasted, we can take that many days and add it to the days that the Ark rested and the time it took to see the top of the mountain which is in 8:4-5 giving us 74 more days.
Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
Gen 8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.

This gives us a total time so far of 224 days that Noah and his family are in the Ark.
150 + 74 = 224

Noah waited another forty days and released the raven
Gen 8:6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
Gen 8:7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

Now we have a total of 264 days that they are in the Ark
224 + 40 = 264 = the eleventh month, the eleventh day of the month

Now we have to look at Gen 8:8-12 to see that every seven days consecutively Noah sent out a dove three times, giving us 21 more days to add to our total that Noah was in the Ark.
Gen 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
Gen 8:9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.
Gen 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
Gen 8:11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf plucked off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
Gen 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.
264 + 21 = 285 = the twelve month, second day of the month

New years day 29 days later, the waters began to dry up in 8:13
Gen 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
285 + 29 = 314 days Noah is now in the Ark

Another 57 days for the ground to be completely dried out by the twenty seventh day of the second month in 8:14.
Gen 8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.
314 + 57 = 371
This gives us a total of 371 days or 12 months 11 days that Noah and his family were in the Ark until G-d let them come out.

Now we take Noah’s age at the start of the flood in 7:11, add to that, when he looked out of the Ark in 8:13 an we see that 314 days have gone by. Add to that the 57 days that it took until the earth was completely dry in 8:14 and we have the same amount of time as when we took it day by day. 371 days or 12 months 11 days

Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Gen 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
Gen 8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

G-d Bless,
Dan
 

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My understanding from the scripture is this:
It rained 40 days & nights - then they floated for the remainder of the 5 month as the waters slowly receded to the point to where dry land finally appeared and the Ark rested on the mountain
 
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Henaynei said:
My understanding from the scripture is this:
It rained 40 days & nights - then they floated for the remainder of the 5 month as the waters slowly receded to the point to where dry land finally appeared and the Ark rested on the mountain
Shalom Henaynei,

Except he didn't stop the rain untill after 150 days as seen in 8:1-3 and 7:24.

G-d Bless,
Dan
 
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D.W. said:
Shalom Henaynei,

Except he didn't stop the rain untill after 150 days as seen in 8:1-3 and 7:24.

G-d Bless,
Dan
D.W.:

Just because the waters increased does not mean that it kept raining.

As Zayit said, there were waters coming from other sources.

But you might also recognize that the 'swell' of a large rain sometimes happens much later than the actual occurrence.

m.d.
 
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D.W. said:
Shalom Henaynei,

Except he didn't stop the rain untill after 150 days as seen in 8:1-3 and 7:24.

G-d Bless,
Dan
Gen 7:24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

The waters continued to rise, yes. while it says very clearly it rained for 40 days, it also says that "HaShem opened up the fountains of the deep" as well. The waters from above continued for only 40 days, but those from "the deep" continnued longer than that.

Gen 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
This says, as I did above, that the water came from both above and below. And that at some point they both were stopped - but it does not say it happened at the same time ;)

Gen 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
As you said earlier, quoting scripture, Noakh was floating on the waters 5 months (150 days / 30 days = 5 months). The waters abated/receeded enough to reveal land by the 150th day - because from the time that the "fountains of the deep" has stopped the "waters returned from off the face of the earth continually." This would have been by a dual process of evaporation and waters seeping back down into the deep into the reseviors from which they had come - it takes time ;)
 
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Shalom md and Henaynei,

All of the things that you said above are true and you may be right in the way that you see scripture, but still to me where it says in 7:24 that the water prevailed it means the rains got stronger and now Moses is still talking in the same time frame where he says G-d stopped the rain from heaven in 8:2. That would be after the 150 days. Now after this is when the waters started running back off of the earth.
G-d Bless,

Dan

 
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D.W. said:
Shalom md and Henaynei,

All of the things that you said above are true and you may be right in the way that you see scripture, but still to me where it says in 7:24 that the water prevailed it means the rains got stronger and now Moses is still talking in the same time frame where he says G-d stopped the rain from heaven in 8:2. That would be after the 150 days. Now after this is when the waters started running back off of the earth.
G-d Bless,

Dan
1) To prevail does not mean stronger, it means to overcome - where were the waters overcoming?? They overcame the earth - so deep as to cover the peaks of the highest mountain. The VAST majority of the water was under the Ark, not the rain.
2) if what you say is true then what does HaShem mean with the statement that it rained 40 days and 40 nights?
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[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]7:11 On the seventeenth day of the second month of the 600th year of Noach's life all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of the sky were opened. (HaShem telling us the 2 sources of the waters)[/font]
[font=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][font=Arial, Helvetica][/font]7:12 It rained on the earth forty days and forty nights.[/font]
 
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Shalom Henaynei,

1396. gabar, gaw-bar'; a prim. root; to be strong; by impl. to prevail, act insolently:--exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.

13. In the same day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14. They, and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort.

15. And they went to Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, where there is the breath of life.

16. And those who went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him; and the Lord closed him in.

17. And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bore up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.

18. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Look in 17, you see where the flood was on the earth for forty days and the waters increased.

7235. rabah, raw-baw'; a prim. root; to increase (in whatever respect):--[bring in] abundance (X -antly), + archer [by mistake for H7232], be in authority, bring up, X continue, enlarge, excel, exceeding (-ly), be full of, (be, make) great (-er, -ly), X -ness), grow up, heap, increase, be long, (be, give, have, make, use) many (a time), (any, be, give, give the, have) more (in number), (ask, be, be so, gather, over, take, yield) much (greater, more), (make to) multiply, nourish, plenty (-eous), X process [of time], sore, store, thoroughly, very.

So now we have the waters increasing. How did they increase? Heres that word again, they prevailed, they became stronger.

It’s good to show that in 7:11 Hashem opened up the windows of the sky.

And he did not stop the rain until 150 days had lapsed in 8:2-3.

G-d Bless,
Dan
 
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D.W. said:
Shalom Henaynei,

1396. gabar, gaw-bar'; a prim. root; to be strong; by impl. to prevail, act insolently:--exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.

13. In the same day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14. They, and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort.

15. And they went to Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, where there is the breath of life.

16. And those who went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him; and the Lord closed him in.

17. And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bore up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.

18. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

Look in 17, you see where the flood was on the earth for forty days and the waters increased.

7235. rabah, raw-baw'; a prim. root; to increase (in whatever respect):--[bring in] abundance (X -antly), + archer [by mistake for H7232], be in authority, bring up, X continue, enlarge, excel, exceeding (-ly), be full of, (be, make) great (-er, -ly), X -ness), grow up, heap, increase, be long, (be, give, have, make, use) many (a time), (any, be, give, give the, have) more (in number), (ask, be, be so, gather, over, take, yield) much (greater, more), (make to) multiply, nourish, plenty (-eous), X process [of time], sore, store, thoroughly, very.

So now we have the waters increasing. How did they increase? Heres that word again, they prevailed, they became stronger.

It’s good to show that in 7:11 Hashem opened up the windows of the sky.

And he did not stop the rain until 150 days had lapsed in 8:2-3.

G-d Bless,
Dan
Yes, as I said they DID overcome (become stronger, if you will), from the waters that flowed up out of the earth - the "fountains of the deep."

Dan, I truly and strongly disagree with your interpertation here - but neither your's nor mine is likely to be the lynch-pin in anyone's faith ;) May we all continue to study and plumb the depths of HaShems word!!! :clap:

b'Shalom
Henaynei
 
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